Questions & Mysteries What will happen to the Subservient Supernova?

[TheAncientCenturion]

With the five supernova who never bowed down to the Yonko now fighting on the roof, alone without the rest of their contemporaries in the battlefield, where does that leave them? Drake, Hawkins and Apoo almost definitely don't have a place fighting on the roof top. Oda had every chance to take Drake up there but decided to leave him behind.

Hawkins could've switched sides by now and found his way to the roof, but hasn't. Apoo seems to have doubled down on opposing the alliance instead of turning against them when Queen tossed out the idea of executing Apoo for failure.

So, what's gonna happen to them? What will they do in this arc and what future do they have?

I sorta think they're done after this. Drake will return to the marines like he said before. Apoo and Hawkins? I can see them being the first washouts of the Supernova, having the opportunity to join the winning side here and being pretty unreliable as of now.

The leaders of the next gen. emerged from the Supernova and I think that pretty much signals the end of every other supernova's importance if being a supernova is all they have going for them.

 

[Doggo]

Drake is a spy. Kaido losing is not a defeat for him. SWORD is probably still gonna have some relevance (Aokiji probably).
I like Hawkins. I would love to see more of him moving foward. Appoo? I think he did what he had to do, and was very good at doing it. But yeah, I think he is done after this. But "done" like Bege is "done" after WCI. maybe, MAYBE he appears at some final confrontation or some epilogue for EoS.

 

[Chocolatemuppet]

I feel like they’ll make their way to the roof eventually. My prediction is the final fight against Kaido will be the 8 supernova + Yamato vs Kaido. I feel like Hawkins, apoo, and drake will all end up gaining notoriety Just not as much as the 5 on the roof.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Apoo and Hawkins are the losers of this era, something i predicted before. The manga is about believing in yourself despite the odds, then you have characters who literally are gauging percentages of actions.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

X-Drake is basically Zoro's Tashigi at this point.

 

[Fuckthis3]

X drake goin be done being a Spy and Apoo and hawkins idk

 

[Shiroyru]

They will fight the Yonko. For starters, Killer was subservient to Orochi at the beginning of this arc, so that disproves your point. Second, Drake was never actually loyal to Kaido at any point. You might as well be saying that Law shouldn’t be there either since he feigned loyalty to the WG when he joined the Shichibukai

 

[Fn Lucci]

Drake is gonna take his Quaker ass to honbu like BET ON RUFI

 

[Rekien]

Hawkings will likely open his eyes to the bullshitery that is his predictions when Luffy smashes them to the ground....He might become decent after and join another supernova crew or fade away from relevancy all togheter.

X-drake will at the very least play some minnor part in one of the future arcs, considering his affiliation with the government.

Apoo will probably not be relevant again.

 

[Ricassian]

- Drake is a Marine, for now he took responsability for the Live Floor and I think he will fight Queen in a 2 v 2 (Sanji & Drake vs King & Queen) seen their precedents. I think this cause making him just 'Chopper bodyguard' would be a real letdown.
His main reason for reaching the rooftop at some point? He was the only one that subdued to Kaido to spy him for the SWORD (which will be important in the future) so he deserves a little slice of Kaido's ass.
He seems to have some still unexplained correlation with Law (they already showed some parallelism during the night Doflamingo killed Corazon) and he does the 'profession' Rocinante did, so I think him and Law will collaborate on something in the future, detaching Law from the SH

- Apoo is the dirtiest as of now: he was the one who snitched on his Alliance and was Kaido informant since the beginning and he didn't even show redemption for what he did. Oda made a good job with him tho, portraying him as a really good and dangerous fighter which required a combination of events to be put down (a sort of mini-boss of the raid). He may change sides seen Queen assassination attempt on him (if he gets back up) but still hard for him to be well accepted, the best for him would be forming the 8 SN + Yamato vs Kaido. After that I don't know what will happen to him, he's pretty much dead as a serious pirate. Could be an ally for the final war at EoS tho

- Hawkins should do something asap. He'll probably switch side even if the victory chances are low and give some huge support with his cards and hax, so same of Drake and Apoo (he'll form the 9 shadows with the 8 SN + Yamato). After that I don't really know.
I don't see him as an indipendent pirate after that, I could see him joining Law who spared his life: they had a lot of skirmishes/interactions since Wano started, they are both cool headed pirates with hax abilities and them both have a Mink as first mate (Bepo and Faust). He would become Law's vice captain at that point and I could see him involved in the Law-Drake (SWORD) businness (all those 3 come from North Blue btw)

 

[Herasux]

Drake may have another role in the future like some have said due to being a Marine depending on how much information in revealed about him in this arc which is what I'm hoping for. His whole thing being a Zoan and getting to Kaido pretty much had him set for Wano, so I'm hopeful that we'll get more--just gotta wait for it.

This was also said, but Drake stands apart being a spy and not actually loyal at all really ontop of being prepared to be tortured and die instead of spill the beans.

As for Hawkins and Apoo, I think we could see them in the future as well though that depends on if they become allied to Luffy this arc or not.

Perhaps Hawkins will eventually come to the other side after a more favorable prediction, but Apoo seems pretty loyal (in exchange for not dying thus far) so we'll see.

Concerning all three of them, it's sort of hard to say since we know so little about all of them; however, out of the three, we know the most about Drake so far.

 

[vikas]

who :queenhear:

 

[Rocks D. Xebec]

Like Law said in Punk Hazard, every supernova had to choice to either oppose the Yonko or be subservient to them. Apoo and Hawkins made the choice to bend the knee, and that makes them the failures of the worst generation. They should go back to Paradise where they belong. They might switch sides when Kaido appears to be losing, but that's just opportunism. Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kidd, & Killer will be the great pirates of the new era. Apoo and Hawkins will be like Moria and Crocodile, bemoaning their failure.

Drake will continue to relevant as a member of SWORD.

They will fight the Yonko. For starters, Killer was subservient to Orochi at the beginning of this arc, so that disproves your point. Second, Drake was never actually loyal to Kaido at any point. You might as well be saying that Law shouldn’t be there either since he feigned loyalty to the WG when he joined the Shichibukai

Killer was working for Orochi to save Kidd. He was always loyal to his captain.

 

[Edwar.D.O]

Like Law said in Punk Hazard, every supernova had to choice to either oppose the Yonko or be subservient to them. Apoo and Hawkins made the choice to bend the knee, and that makes them the failures of the worst generation. They should go back to Paradise where they belong. They might switch sides when Kaido appears to be losing, but that's just opportunism. Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kidd, & Killer will be the great pirates of the new era. Apoo and Hawkins will be like Moria and Crocodile, bemoaning their failure.

Drake will continue to relevant as a member of SWORD.

Killer was working for Orochi to save Kidd. He was always loyal to his captain.

I mean Apoo may have been a rat but there’s no rule against going back to your own ambitions after the Yonko are gone. Like who’s to say Apoo can’t redeem himself after Wano, he’s literally just trying to survive even now, the only reason he’s so determined to follow Queens orders is because he wants to live not because he’s willing to die for Kaido. Hawkins is the same he’s just riding the wave so let’s cut him some slack. Even now the chances for the Alliance to beat the Yonko is still really low. At least going by what Hawkins said unless his prediction is based around some threat after Wano.

like yeah you say they bent their knee but they were making the smart decision at the time. Being a hot head like Luffy or Kid doesn’t always work out in every situation. For example if Kid and Killer didn’t run into Luffy and CO what would they be doing right now? Because lord knows they wouldn’t be on that roof. Or if Luffy hadn’t been assisted by Jinbe and Bege at WCI lord knows he would be in Mont Dor’s book for a long ass time.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

They will fight the Yonko. For starters, Killer was subservient to Orochi at the beginning of this arc, so that disproves your point. Second, Drake was never actually loyal to Kaido at any point. You might as well be saying that Law shouldn’t be there either since he feigned loyalty to the WG when he joined the Shichibukai

killer was subservient to oroci for saving his captain and nakamas while appo and hawkins was because they're coward (killer>>>>>appo and hawkiwns how we've seen when he's fighting against zoro)

 

[Ricassian]

I mean Apoo may have been a rat but there’s no rule against going back to your own ambitions after the Yonko are gone. Like who’s to say Apoo can’t redeem himself after Wano, he’s literally just trying to survive even now, the only reason he’s so determined to follow Queens orders is because he wants to live not because he’s willing to die for Kaido. Hawkins is the same he’s just riding the wave so let’s cut him some slack. Even now the chances for the Alliance to beat the Yonko is still really low. At least going by what Hawkins said unless his prediction is based around some threat after Wano.

like yeah you say they bent their knee but they were making the smart decision at the time. Being a hot head like Luffy or Kid doesn’t always work out in every situation. For example if Kid and Killer didn’t run into Luffy and CO what would they be doing right now? Because lord knows they wouldn’t be on that roof. Or if Luffy hadn’t been assisted by Jinbe and Bege at WCI lord knows he would be in Mont Dor’s book for a long ass time.

What you saying is right, that's why I'm not shitting on them. But to be one of those that lead the New Era you have to be someone who takes risks: Luffy, Kidd, Law, Zoro, Killer showed this on and off panel, that's what differentiates them from Hawkins and Apoo
I'm not counting Drake cause he has a totally different objective so I wouldn't define him a coward

 

[Edwar.D.O]

What you saying is right, that's why I'm not shitting on them. But to be one of those that lead the New Era you have to be someone who takes risks: Luffy, Kidd, Law, Zoro, Killer showed this on and off panel, that's what differentiates them from Hawkins and Apoo
I'm not counting Drake cause he has a totally different objective so I wouldn't define him a coward

I feel you man but are you saying that Apoo and Hawkins fighting an Admiral pre timeskip with no chance whatsoever wasn’t taking a risk?

As far as I’m concerned Hawkins was ready to prepare to fight a Yonko but when was drops down in front of you and you’ve had no prep time you’re going to get wrecked, e.g. Luffy. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do lol

As for Drake people could argue against that too. He literally has been called out by multiple characters for changing sides at the flip of a coin or joining the winning side when things got tough lol like he’s in the same boat. Who’s who and Queen knew he was a traitor and Hawkins figured it out too, had the alliance not been downstairs drake would be dead now.

 

[Rocks D. Xebec]

I mean Apoo may have been a rat but there’s no rule against going back to your own ambitions after the Yonko are gone. Like who’s to say Apoo can’t redeem himself after Wano, he’s literally just trying to survive even now, the only reason he’s so determined to follow Queens orders is because he wants to live not because he’s willing to die for Kaido. Hawkins is the same he’s just riding the wave so let’s cut him some slack. Even now the chances for the Alliance to beat the Yonko is still really low. At least going by what Hawkins said unless his prediction is based around some threat after Wano.

like yeah you say they bent their knee but they were making the smart decision at the time. Being a hot head like Luffy or Kid doesn’t always work out in every situation. For example if Kid and Killer didn’t run into Luffy and CO what would they be doing right now? Because lord knows they wouldn’t be on that roof. Or if Luffy hadn’t been assisted by Jinbe and Bege at WCI lord knows he would be in Mont Dor’s book for a long ass time.

I'm judging Apoo and Hawkins against the standard set by Luffy and the others on the roof. Yes, Hawkins made the intelligent choice based on the data he had, but a great pirate wouldn't care if his chances of success were 0%. That's why Kidd and Killer fought Kaido anyways. If Luffy were not on Wano, I wholeheartedly believe that Kidd would be fighting his way to Kaido right now regardless. Although, of course, he would get stomped. I was harsh on Apoo and Hawkins, but that's because the world of One Piece is harsh. Even if you're strong, if you lack the will, you will get crushed. That's the whole point of Moria's character, imo.

 

[Perun]

I feel you man but are you saying that Apoo and Hawkins fighting an Admiral pre timeskip with no chance whatsoever wasn’t taking a risk?

As far as I’m concerned Hawkins was ready to prepare to fight a Yonko but when was drops down in front of you and you’ve had no prep time you’re going to get wrecked, e.g. Luffy. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do lol

As for Drake people could argue against that too. He literally has been called out by multiple characters for changing sides at the flip of a coin or joining the winning side when things got tough lol like he’s in the same boat. Who’s who and Queen knew he was a traitor and Hawkins figured it out too, had the alliance not been downstairs drake would be dead now.

It like most of people on this forum don't read this manga!All 3(I could see X Drake becoming an admiral in the future) of them will be fine and will shape the future with the rest of the SN with Luffy being the most successful of them all.

 

[Garp the Fist]

-Drake could die. If the 1% survival was Hawkins checking whether he should join forces with Drake or not, it suggests he’s got something very nasty ahead of him in his future. If not, a fight against Queen along with Sanji, then maybe dealing with whatever CP0 do on Wano would make sense for this arc. After that, he should probably go back to the Marines since his covers mostly blown. I’d also like to see him work with Law in an uneasy partnership, since both have a lot in common and are in ways mirror images of each other. He’s the one who still is in quite a good position to have a decent role in the future.

-Hawkins will do what his cards tell him to do. Oda’s not really gave him much in the way of a plotline on Wano, or at all really. I suppose he could end up fighting Drake if Drake doesn’t run into Queen, but he really just doesn’t seem all that important and has faded into the background due to all the characters on Onigashima. In the future, nothing special for him. He might escape and get a bounty boost, but he’s not going to be involved much in the events of this arc, or the future.

-Apoo is more interesting because he’s kind of screwed either way. The Beast Pirates don’t give a damn if he lives or dies, and the alliance, for fhe msot part, seems to really hate him. Pushing him out on his own like that and forcing him to reconsider his choices might bring about something interesting for him.
Or he’s done for the arc now that Drake caught him and he’s never gonna accomplish anything. Could also see that. Much like Hawkins, lotta characters to deal with, some might jsut be dealt with quickly and without fanfare to get them out of the way