Questions & Mysteries What will happen to the Subservient Supernova?

[Ricassian]

I feel you man but are you saying that Apoo and Hawkins fighting an Admiral pre timeskip with no chance whatsoever wasn’t taking a risk?

As far as I’m concerned Hawkins was ready to prepare to fight a Yonko but when was drops down in front of you and you’ve had no prep time you’re going to get wrecked, e.g. Luffy. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do lol

As for Drake people could argue against that too. He literally has been called out by multiple characters for changing sides at the flip of a coin or joining the winning side when things got tough lol like he’s in the same boat. Who’s who and Queen knew he was a traitor and Hawkins figured it out too, had the alliance not been downstairs drake would be dead now.

Nobody is taking away from them that they are formidable pirates (cause otherwise they wouldn't have been Supernovas) and they'll be relevant in the incoming era, but they'll not be the leaders cause they didn't show the quality of going through everything no matter what
Btw war is only started, there's time for them to rebuild themselves but there will still be a gap between the 5 on the roof and them (at least charisma/courage-wise) imo

 

[Edwar.D.O]

Luffy will become Pirate King
Zoro will become Greatest Swordsman
Law will Die (Before or After he discovers D. Meaning)
Kid will become one of Leading Pirates of New Era (Similar to Shiki)
Killer as his Right Hand Man ofc & also Famous (Could possibly Die too)
Capone will become a Famous Mafia/Underworld Organization Leader (Not really a Pirate)
X-Drake will become a Famous Marine
Bonney is hardly a Pirate anymore, she will Retire & live Peacefully somewhere (Similar to Shakky)
Apoo & Hawkins will be Famous Veterans but Silver Medalists compared to Luffy, Zoro, Kid

Urouge is the only Wild Card here because we still don't know his True Motives aside from Pirate King Title (Assuming he wants that too)

Capone a pirate will become not really a pirate?

Law could die before or after finding out about D...so he can die whenever then?

 

[Ricassian]

Urouge is the only Wild Card here because we still don't know his True Motives aside from Pirate King Title (Assuming he wants that too)

I think that Urouge has a really "personal" objective, like he is searching for something (not One Piece) important for him. I always had the impression that he found himself as a pirate cause of circumstances, he didn't want to become one like Luffy or Kidd.
He'll probably have his role in Elbaf, while Bonney will be really important with the Revolutionaries

 

[Bogard]

Drake was never working for Kaido in the first place. He was a spy working for the SWORD division in the marines, and already made his intentions clear now. He'd take care of protecting Chopper in Zoro's stead, which might lead to him having a confrontation with Queen, who aimed at killing him since the start

For Hawkins, i think he originally always used to follow his cards, but the confrontation with Law served to open his eyes. As we speak, i think he is already thinking about betraying Kaido, which is why he is checking someone's survival percentage, which i believe to be Luffy's. I think however that he'd get a character progression where for the first time, he'd go against the odds, and help in the Kaido battle. There is also his card upgrading one's power beyond natural limits, which i believe will come in handy for the alliance at one point

In Apoo's case however, he was a snitch since the start, but ended up screwed by Queen. It's up in the air how Oda would go with his development

 

[Hurley Pirates]

Hawkins will join Law as his much need right hand. The cards will essentially tell him to do so.

Drake will report back to the Marines. His backstory will be fully revealed in a chapter (I theorize that his Father was also a sword member who started treating his son poorly when he became a pirate to steer him away from that life. Sengoku revealed the truth to him and recruited him into sword and do as his father did)

Appo.. honestly no idea. Probably gets locked up.

Side note for some reason I think Uliti and Page One escape with Kidd's crew and join them. They seem to fit his punk rocker crew vibe.

This would give Kid and Law's crews legit power ups and not let them get completely out shadowed by SH's (Even if they still get washed)

Kidd
Killer
Ulti
Page One
Heat
Wire


Law
Hawkins
Bepo
John Bart
Faust
Sachi
Penguin

 

[Edwar.D.O]

Hawkins will join Law as his much need right hand. The cards will essentially tell him to do so.

Drake will report back to the Marines. His backstory will be fully revealed in a chapter (I theorize that his Father was also a sword member who started treating his son poorly when he became a pirate to steer him away from that life. Sengoku revealed the truth to him and recruited him into sword and do as his father did)

Appo.. honestly no idea. Probably gets locked up.

Side note for some reason I think Uliti and Page One escape with Kidd's crew and join them. They seem to fit his punk rocker crew vibe.

This would give Kid and Law's crews legit power ups and not let them get completely out shadowed by SH's (Even if they still get washed)

Kidd
Killer
Ulti
Page One
Heat
Wire


Law
Hawkins
Bepo
John Bart
Faust
Sachi
Penguin

I still don’t get why people say this, Page 1 and Ulti don’t look punk at all, what because his hair covers half his face? Also their interactions and speech on Kaido alone show they wouldn’t just join someone else’s crew for no good reason lol

Hawkins is a Captain why would be just join law for the sake of it lol?

 

[Hurley Pirates]

I still don’t get why people say this, Page 1 and Ulti don’t look punk at all, what because his hair covers half his face? Also their interactions and speech on Kaido alone show they wouldn’t just join someone else’s crew for no good reason lol

Hawkins is a Captain why would be just join law for the sake of it lol?

Hawkins is a captain but he's also subservient to the will of his cards. If the cards tell him too follow law, he will do so.

Page one and Ulti follow Kaido because they believe he is the strongest. Kidd will play a role in taking him down. They may even see it with their own eyes. Idk I can just see them on his crew bickering lol I'll admit I dont have a strong basis for these thought processes

 

[Blother Fertitta]

With the five supernova who never bowed down to the Yonko now fighting on the roof, alone without the rest of their contemporaries in the battlefield, where does that leave them? Drake, Hawkins and Apoo almost definitely don't have a place fighting on the roof top. Oda had every chance to take Drake up there but decided to leave him behind.

Hawkins could've switched sides by now and found his way to the roof, but hasn't. Apoo seems to have doubled down on opposing the alliance instead of turning against them when Queen tossed out the idea of executing Apoo for failure.

So, what's gonna happen to them? What will they do in this arc and what future do they have?

I sorta think they're done after this. Drake will return to the marines like he said before. Apoo and Hawkins? I can see them being the first washouts of the Supernova, having the opportunity to join the winning side here and being pretty unreliable as of now.

The leaders of the next gen. emerged from the Supernova and I think that pretty much signals the end of every other supernova's importance if being a supernova is all they have going for them.

Hawkins will quit becoming a pirate, cuz clearly he can't handle all that stress and will bend over at every wrong turn.
Apoo will go fuck off pirating in some other sea or will fight to the death against Kid or someother named Shmuck with the misfortune of fighting him.
Bege will raise his family. I believe his priorities have shifted. His entire unit is really cozy with the addition of Lola and Chiffon who are nice and good hearted people. And we've seen that Chiffon does make decisions alongside Bege.
Urouge, how long has that guy fled the NW for? He can go back to birka and spend his life there.
Bonney has major implications with the reverie and possible the Void Century. We will spend an arc extrapolating her relations to Kuma, Sorbet Kingdom, Akainu, Marygeoise, and Revs.

 

[Edwar.D.O]

Hawkins will quit becoming a pirate, cuz clearly he can't handle all that stress and will bend over at every wrong turn.
Apoo will go fuck off pirating in some other sea or will fight to the death against Kid or someother named Shmuck with the misfortune of fighting him.
Bege will raise his family. I believe his priorities have shifted. His entire unit is really cozy with the addition of Lola and Chiffon who are nice and good hearted people. And we've seen that Chiffon does make decisions alongside Bege.
Urouge, how long has that guy fled the NW for? He can go back to birka and spend his life there.
Bonney has major implications with the reverie and possible the Void Century. We will spend an arc extrapolating her relations to Kuma, Sorbet Kingdom, Akainu, Marygeoise, and Revs.

You do realise the timeline isn’t that long, Urouge hasn’t been on balloon terminal or whatever it’s called for that long you know. Been maybe 2 weeks or a bit longer at the most

 

[Blother Fertitta]

You do realise the timeline isn’t that long, Urouge hasn’t been on balloon terminal or whatever it’s called for that long you know. Been maybe 2 weeks or a bit longer at the most

I was referring to EOS
and when did Urouge defeat snack, i could be wrong with regards to that timeline

 

[Edwar.D.O]

Urouge, how long has that guy fled the NW for? He can go back to birka and spend his life there.
Bonney has major implications with the reverie and possible the Void Century. We will spend an arc extrapolating her relations to Kuma, Sorbet Kingdom, Akainu, Marygeoise, and Revs.

EOS? But these are things that are happening now lol

 

[Blother Fertitta]

EOS? But these are things that are happening now lol

I was exploring both the near future and EOS. Bonney does have narrative importance going forward. Urouge I literally dont know why he was created, maybe hype tool for Cracker?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I was exploring both the near future and EOS. Bonney does have narrative importance going forward. Urouge I literally dont know why he was created, maybe hype tool for Cracker?

Back in Skypeia, there was a mention of a mighty Sky Knight who Enel defeated by on Birka. I'm guessing Urouge ties back into Enel's return.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Back in Skypeia, there was a mention of a mighty Sky Knight who Enel defeated by on Birka. I'm guessing Urouge ties back into Enel's return.

That would be cool, idrc about urouge. With one piece "ending" in a few more arcs I dont see Urouge being as relevant as the other Supernova

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

That would be cool, idrc about urouge. With one piece "ending" in a few more arcs I dont see Urouge being as relevant as the other Supernova

Unless we get some Bleach style ending, which I sorta doubt, OP ain't ending in a few years. Oda keeps expanding the world instead of shrinking it lmao.

But I doubt Urouge will be much but muscle and a mouth piece for Skypeian backstory. So you're right to not care about him, I don't.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Unless we get some Bleach style ending, which I sorta doubt, OP ain't ending in a few years. Oda keeps expanding the world instead of shrinking it lmao.

But I doubt Urouge will be much but muscle and a mouth piece for Skypeian backstory. So you're right to not care about him, I don't.

I expected Kid to play a much larger role in Wano given this is the arc to cement these guys, and Oda didn’t give anything and led straight to the fight. And Kid has far more importance than Urouge.

 

[Edwar.D.O]

I expected Kid to play a much larger role in Wano given this is the arc to cement these guys, and Oda didn’t give anything and led straight to the fight. And Kid has far more importance than Urouge.

Yeah I know that Oda will do something special for Kid this arc but I agree it feels like he really wasted Kid this arc. He’ll be around then disappear, then pop up again and then disappear. We don’t even know how he found his crew again, I really thought that Orochi would be a proper antagonist and from the information we received from Hawkins that orochi was actually using kids crew, that gave them direct beef with orochi, Zoro swore that he would avenge yasuie and kill orochi and this was mentioned multiple times and then there was the shimotsuki connection between Zoro and Yasuie so Zoro had direct beef too. I really thought Kid/Zoro and killer would fight orochi and really get revenge. Next thing we know kid just has his crew his ship and killer is back in his old outfit and personality. Even in a later chapter orochi was mentioned in regard a to killer being fed a faulty smile and they show a panel of killer.

All this happened just for the entire plot to be thrown out the window and we’re now at the final battle? Like it was more important to show kid and killer fighting gifters off panel in and out than actually give them proper moments?

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

It's so obvious that Drake, Apoo, Hawkins and Sanji will go to the rooftop and fight against Kaido and Big Mom.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Yeah I know that Oda will do something special for Kid this arc but I agree it feels like he really wasted Kid this arc. He’ll be around then disappear, then pop up again and then disappear. We don’t even know how he found his crew again, I really thought that Orochi would be a proper antagonist and from the information we received from Hawkins that orochi was actually using kids crew, that gave them direct beef with orochi, Zoro swore that he would avenge yasuie and kill orochi and this was mentioned multiple times and then there was the shimotsuki connection between Zoro and Yasuie so Zoro had direct beef too. I really thought Kid/Zoro and killer would fight orochi and really get revenge. Next thing we know kid just has his crew his ship and killer is back in his old outfit and personality. Even in a later chapter orochi was mentioned in regard a to killer being fed a faulty smile and they show a panel of killer.

All this happened just for the entire plot to be thrown out the window and we’re now at the final battle? Like it was more important to show kid and killer fighting gifters off panel in and out than actually give them proper moments?

It all comes down to the idea that the supernova are side characters to make Luffy and the strawhats look better. Kid won't have that big of an impact for that reason

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

I still see hope for all SNs. Ofcrs they ain't going to win achievements on the same level as SHs. But still, they are going to be big players of the new generations and this includes the subservient SNs as well.

Drake was always a Marine spy, his intentions were always to work for Yonkou and find the secrets behind WG n Wano. And he's very likely to get to play a major part in one of the Battles and play important role in Swords.

Apoo is the wild card and most interesting of the SNs. He ain't loyal to Kaidou and likely had his own plans like Teach working under WG until he grabbed strength or opportunity to strike.
My bet is at one point during the story he is also going to hit Kaidou like he attacked Kizaru in Saboady. Some folks like to call him coward but he can pull life risky punches for just the fun of it.
But i still hope he remains independent and not join the alliance, continue to rile up Kidd in future. Lol

Hawkins is truly the one most underwhelming character so far, who has been dependent on his Card predictions to change sides as he sees fit. And i dont blame him for it, he is rational guy there's no sense in fighting battles you can't win. But i am also expecting him to character progress and bet against the odds by revolting against Kaidou. That will make him unpredictable and more likeable character for me.