General & Others What would happen without Jinbe?

#82
In a weird way
Sanji’s insult was basically Kiku’s arm 2.0

Both instances where zoro was on a time crunch and insensitivised to end it as quick as possible
Both instances he was trying knowing the crew was in danger the longer he took
Both times he “powered up” using hardening against apoo and green smoke against Lucci
Both times he needed something to fully push him to go all in. Kiku’s arm and sanji’s insult
Or.........
It is just Oda stalling for the plot to progress as he wants?

Did Kiku's arm or Sanji's insult made Zoro stronger?
No. Just made him more take things more seriously.

Zoro just did stuff he is always capable of, and held back earlier for the sake of plot.

Anyway, tell me this.
What diff was this fight overall?
 
#83
Or.........
It is just Oda stalling for the plot to progress as he wants?

Did Kiku's arm or Sanji's insult made Zoro stronger?
No. Just made him more take things more seriously.

Zoro just did stuff he is always capable of, and held back earlier for the sake of plot.

Anyway, tell me this.
What diff was this fight overall?
Inconclusive

Nobody won, nobody lost
There's no diff anymore
 
#84
Or.........
It is just Oda stalling for the plot to progress as he wants?

Did Kiku's arm or Sanji's insult made Zoro stronger?
No. Just made him more take things more seriously.

Zoro just did stuff he is always capable of, and held back earlier for the sake of plot.

Anyway, tell me this.
What diff was this fight overall?
Crying “plot” isn’t an actual excuse or reason
Bellamy stalled luffy and Black Maria sanji saying it doesn’t count or mean anything because “plot” is dumb because there’s actual in story and character reasons regardless.

Kiku’s arm and sanji’s insult is what pushed zoro to pushed zoro to fully lock in and where necessary in both scenarios. So I’m a way yes they did push zoro to be stronger than he previously was

Even before the fight started it should’ve been obvious zoro was stronger. Hell I don’t put Lucci over king even let alone zoro

At the same time Lucci did extremely well against zoro and denying that is just cap
  1. Zoro from the jump was trying to put Lucci down as soon as possible. Lucci didn’t let him exhausting both of them. Not to mention everyone calling out zoro
  2. Zoro used koh/green flames whatever you want to call it to power up. Lucci still stood strong with Zoro not landing anything and deciding there’s no point using it
  3. Zoro finally landed an attack with it arguably being conquerors infused after hearing Sanji call him a liability. Lucci didn’t even fall all tho obviously hurt. Jinbe followed it up with another attack and he’s still conscious
Again yes zoro was stronger from the jump but Lucci put up hell of a fight. All this he got low or neg diffed shit is cap
 
#92
Would still be fighting Lucci, from there either be defeated by Mars where he arrived in front of Lucci or have Sanji go and drag his ass.
 
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