General & Others Whats with this wilding out about Hanafuda lol

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Who are these ''people'' man, normal people always thought Garp was the goat, I mean look at his list of achievements. People are just retarded as fuck in these forums or think they are funny with their ''baits''. I swear sometimes I forgoet most people here are in their 20s to 30s with how childlike they act.
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Wait they are Hanafudas daughter and son? Thats so cute, I wish he wouldve included that in the manga wouldve given Kaido more character depth.

But yall are taking this rival stuff way too far, you know Moria was Kaidos rival too, Chinjao was Garps rival too,etc. The SBS specifies that Hanafua like many others was in awe of Kaidos strength. So I feel like this slander has no ground and comes out of nowhere, in fact thanks to you Its making it more interesting. I really wish Oda talked about him in the Manga thats lame lol.
Moria and Kaido did not clash several times, only once and Moria lost
 

Fujishiro

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#22
Cornering and almost killing Roger as per Rogers own words, being one of the main players in God Valley

Moria and Kaido did not clash several times, only once and Moria lost
And what makes you think Kaido and Hanafuda clashed several times? And even if they did it was so far in the past that it doesnt even matter at all for current Kaido.
 
#23
Cornering and almost killing Roger as per Rogers own words, being one of the main players in God Valley


And what makes you think Kaido and Hanafuda clashed several times? And even if they did it was so far in the past that it doesnt even matter at all for current Kaido.
You´re just making your headcanon arguing against other peoples headcanon. What do you mean it was so far in the past? We don´t know when they fought.
 

Fujishiro

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#24
Post WCI Island Luffy who Kaido one shot who was stronger then Ace defeated Hanafuda.

Omg guys is to emBarsassIng fOr KaiDo to hAvE cLasHeD wiTh THiS Guy bAcK tHen.

You´re just making your headcanon arguing against other peoples headcanon. What do you mean it was so far in the past? We don´t know when they fought.
When do you think they fought as ''rivals'' when the man was weaker then rookie Ace when Ace fought him?
 
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Post WCI Island Luffy who Kaido one shot who was stronger then Ace defeated Hanafuda.

Omg guys is to emBarsassIng fOr KaiDo to hAvE cLasHeD wiTh THiS Guy bAcK tHen.


When do you think they fought as ''rivals'' when the man was weaker then rookie Ace when Ace fought him?
We have no idea how Hanafuda lost to Ace. Crocodile was stronger then Luffy but lost to him too, after 3 rounds. Hanafuda is canonically Kaidos rival who turned into his ally(meaning he wasn´t forced to submit to Kaido, like post WCI luffy was supposed to) and Kaido raised his kids, like how Ace was raised by his dads rival. Ulti was allowed to talk shit to Kaido to his very face, likely because he respected her dad. Ulti will now probably ally with Yamato


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Fujishiro

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#27
Kidd and Law were Luffy's rivals despite not even being on the same level as him
Yet people ignore that
Smoker was Luffys rival. Look even if we want to ignore feats and pretend rookie Ace was somehow as strong as G5 ACoC Luffy (:suresure:) this alone destroy their weak attempts:

We have no idea how Hanafuda lost to Ace. Crocodile was stronger then Luffy but lost to him too, after 3 rounds. Hanafuda is canonically Kaidos rival who turned into his ally(meaning he wasn´t forced to submit to Kaido, like post WCI luffy was supposed to) and Kaido raised his kids, like how Ace was raised by his dads rival. Ulti was allowed to talk shit to Kaido to his very face, likely because he respected her dad. Ulti will now probably ally with Yamato
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We have no idea how Hanafuda lost to Ace. Crocodile was stronger then Luffy but lost to him too, after 3 rounds. Hanafuda is canonically Kaidos rival who turned into his ally(meaning he wasn´t forced to submit to Kaido, like post WCI luffy was supposed to) and Kaido raised his kids, like how Ace was raised by his dads rival. Ulti was allowed to talk shit to Kaido to his very face, likely because he respected her dad. Ulti will now probably ally with Yamato
Are you actually implying Hanafuda was some secret top tier who lost to rookie Ace through some shenigans?

Ocams razor is a simple way to look at things, I never said Kaido didnt respect him. He did. Heck he respects anyone who fights for him and wants to make him PK ( Which is what Hanafuda wanted to btw, he wanted to make Kaido PK and wanted to impress him by gathering fruits for him does that sound like like a peer to you?) This is literally like Ace who was trying to make WB PK lol.

The brainrot is so deeply instated into your brains that youre ready to go into deep headcanon territory where Hanafuda was this badass top tier who lost to rookie Ace through some ??? reasons instead of admitting Hanafuda is just like Moriah and other contenders, they were past rivals who were left in the dirt. Doesnt mean Kaido didnt respect Hanafuda because one again he respects anyone who shows respect and admiration for him and wants to better the crew, like Jack for example.
 
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Smoker was Luffys rival. Look even if we want to ignore feats and pretend rookie Ace was somehow as strong as G5 ACoC Luffy (:suresure:) this alone destroy their weak attempts:

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Hanafudas bounty was 50 million berries dude please stop. Are you actually implying Hanafuda was some secret top tier who lost to rookie Ace through some shenigans?

Ocams razor is a simple way to look at things, I never said Kaido didnt respect him. He did. Heck he respects anyone who fights for him and wants to make him PK ( Which is what Hanafuda wanted to btw, he wanted to make Kaido PK and wanted to impress him by gathering fruits for him does that sound like like a peer to you?) This is literally like Ace who was trying to make WB PK lol.

The brainrot is so deeply instated into your brains that youre ready to go into deep headcanon territory where Hanafuda was this badass top tier who lost to rookie Ace through some ??? reasons instead of admitting Hanfuda is just like Moriah and other contenders, they were past rivals who were left in the dirt. Doesnt mean Kaido didnt respect Hanafuda because one again he respects anyone who shows respect and admiration for him and wants to better the crew, like Jack for example.
When did he get his bounty? Was it a frozen warlord like bounty? Also, Kaido doesn´t respect anyone he views as weak. He literally believes everyone in Wano deserves to be his slave because he views them as weak. His entire world view is that might makies right.

Haifunda was allowed to become his *ally*. It may have not been an alliance of equality, but he was never Kaido´s subordinate. This is different then Hawkins, X Drake, Ace ect. WB wouldn´t have allied with Ace.
 
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Smoker was Luffys rival. Look even if we want to ignore feats and pretend rookie Ace was somehow as strong as G5 ACoC Luffy (:suresure:) this alone destroy their weak attempts:


Are you actually implying Hanafuda was some secret top tier who lost to rookie Ace through some shenigans?

Ocams razor is a simple way to look at things, I never said Kaido didnt respect him. He did. Heck he respects anyone who fights for him and wants to make him PK ( Which is what Hanafuda wanted to btw, he wanted to make Kaido PK and wanted to impress him by gathering fruits for him does that sound like like a peer to you?) This is literally like Ace who was trying to make WB PK lol.

The brainrot is so deeply instated into your brains that youre ready to go into deep headcanon territory where Hanafuda was this badass top tier who lost to rookie Ace through some ??? reasons instead of admitting Hanafuda is just like Moriah and other contenders, they were past rivals who were left in the dirt. Doesnt mean Kaido didnt respect Hanafuda because one again he respects anyone who shows respect and admiration for him and wants to better the crew, like Jack for example.
It's funny because it also means that they basically think Kaido went from being a top tier (he pressed Oden hard in their fight and had the stamina and endurance to keep going after he put a fat ass scar on him) to being a high tier (supposedly being equal to Hanafuda) to being a top tier again (pressing G5 Luffy to a high/extreme diff while weakened).
 

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#30
When did he get his bounty? Was it a frozen warlord like bounty? Also, Kaido doesn´t respect anyone he views as weak. He literally believes everyone in Wano deserves to be his slave because he views them as weak. His entire world view is that might makies right.

Haifunda was allowed to become his *ally*. It may have not been an alliance of equality, but he was never Kaido´s subordinate. This is different then Hawkins, X Drake, Ace ect. WB wouldn´t have allied with Ace.
I see you ignored the case of Jack entirely good on you. ''The people of Wano'' are people he views as slave, people of his own crew who work for him like the Tobbi Roppo or the Calamities and admire him and want to make him PK are not ''The people of Wano'' and he does respect them in some way, case in point he was talking politely to Who's Who, Sasaki, Ulti, Black Maria,etc


Look you no sold my question so Ill ask it again and I want you to be serious with me right now.


Do you believe Hanafuda was some secret top tier and that he lost to Ace through some ??? means. Is this where you wanna go instead of the logical route of rookie ace defeated Hanafuda who was around or weaker then his level which is a level far weaker then Kaido and Kaido yet of course respected him because he also respects Jack who is literal fodder to him, simply because both admired him and wanted to impress him.
WB wouldn´t have allied with Ace.
WB did far more, he was grooming him to become the new PK lol whereas in the case of Hanafuda he, like jack and King and the others were working for the common goal of making Kaido the pirate king.
 
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I see you ignored the case of Jack entirely good on you. ''The people of Wano'' are people he views as slave, people of his own crew who work for him and admire him and want to make him PK are not ''The people of Wano''.


Look you no sold my question so Ill ask it again and I want you to be serious with me right now.


Do you believe Hanafuda was some secret top tier and that he lost to Ace through some ??? means. Is this where you wanna go instead of the logical route of rookie ace defeated Hanafuda who was around or weaker then his level which is a level far weaker then Kaido and Kaido yet of course respected him because he also respects Jack who is literal fodder to him, simply because both admired him and wanted to impress him.
Lol, Kaido doesn´t give a shit about Jack, he just couldn´t stand watching him literally be killed by the minks. When Jack got beaten at Zou he had no interest or worry, and only upset that Doflamingo was going to jail, ending the smiles business. In no universe is he allying with Jack nor is he raising Jacks children. Is Hanafuda a top tier? Probably not, but he is a high tier, like the other warlords
 

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Lol, Kaido doesn´t give a shit about Jack


''Places himself between the scabbards and Jack, called him his most valued. Reassures Jack that he is not weak.''

Yeah we are done here man. I cant argue with people who argue in bad faith its a waste of time.

he just couldn´t stand watching him literally be killed by the minks. When Jack got beaten at Zou he had no interest or worry, and only upset that Doflamingo was going to jail, ending the smiles business. In no universe is he allying with Jack nor is he raising Jacks children. Is Hanafuda a top tier? Probably not, but he is a high tier, like the other warlords
Why would he be worried when he knew Jack was alive and they were going to pick him up.

This was a waste of my time mate,atleast you admitted Hanafuda probably wasnt a top tier and thats what I was arguing. Youre not too far gone like the others who have Kaido living rent free in their minds so much so that they lose all reason.​
 
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Lol, Kaido doesn´t give a shit about Jack, he just couldn´t stand watching him literally be killed by the minks. When Jack got beaten at Zou he had no interest or worry, and only upset that Doflamingo was going to jail, ending the smiles business. In no universe is he allying with Jack nor is he raising Jacks children. Is Hanafuda a top tier? Probably not, but he is a high tier, like the other warlords
Sacrilege
 
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''Places himself between the scabbards and Jack, called him his most valued. Reassures Jack that he is not weak.''

Yeah we are done here man. I cant argue with people who argue in bad faith its a waste of time.


Why would he be worried when he knew Jack was alive and they were going to pick him up.

This was a waste of my time mate,atleast you admitted Hanafuda probably wasnt a top tier and thats what I was arguing. Youre not too far gone like the others who have Kaido living rent free in their minds so much so that they lose all reason.​
Yes, he stopped Jack from being brutally murdered by weaklings. That doesn´t mean he actually gives a shit about him. At the end of Zou, Jack was underwater and defeated

Kaidos only worry is that Doffy is going to jail. He doesn´t even mention or ask about Jack once lmfao
 
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