Future Events When Sanji unlocks Conqueror's Haki, would that affect people's opinions on Sanji's character?
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Imagine thinking that sacrificing your ideals to save your life is how a conqueror would live
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When fishman island is destroyed all those gorgeous mermaids will need new jobs.
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When fishman island is destroyed all those gorgeous mermaids will need new jobs.
I can imagine one place hiring
We come full circle back to the idea of sacrifice, but now we have to decide whether ambition and ideals are the same. I say they're not.
Oden yielded because he felt like he couldn't win if he fought back. He didn't do it to open Wano borders, he did it to protect Wano people. He didn't have his dream in mind when he took that deal.
Did Zoro feel like he was accomplishing his goal when he decided that the rest of the SHs living and fulfilling their dreams was more important than becoming the WSS? He could have let Sanji sacrifice himself without giving up on his dream himself, but he didn't. He had a way out to continue his journey to becoming the WSS, but didn't take it because he put his friends' lives above his own. And he understood there was nothing he could do against Kuma, so he accepted his fate. He didn't try to fight Kuma until his last breath, he yielded and took his deal to not risk the SHs' life.
Let's have a more practical approach because I feel like there's something that's not really talked about: why would joining BM mean it'd be impossible for Sanji to find All Blue one day anyway? Wasn't BM a pirate sailing the seas like Luffy? When Luffy made him admit what he really wanted to do, Sanji didn't start crying about wanting to find All Blue, he cried about wanting to go back to the Sunny.
Did Zoro feel like he was accomplishing his goal when he decided that the rest of the SHs living and fulfilling their dreams was more important than becoming the WSS? He could have let Sanji sacrifice himself without giving up on his dream himself, but he didn't. He had a way out to continue his journey to becoming the WSS, but didn't take it because he put his friends' lives above his own. And he understood there was nothing he could do against Kuma, so he accepted his fate. He didn't try to fight Kuma until his last breath, he yielded and took his deal to not risk the SHs' life.
Let's have a more practical approach because I feel like there's something that's not really talked about: why would joining BM mean it'd be impossible for Sanji to find All Blue one day anyway? Wasn't BM a pirate sailing the seas like Luffy? When Luffy made him admit what he really wanted to do, Sanji didn't start crying about wanting to find All Blue, he cried about wanting to go back to the Sunny.
- every member of the SH crew is willing to die for one another and for luffy especially, means nothing, they laid down their lives for Vivi, Robin, Nami, Wano, Skypieans, this is just a constant for SHP.
- so does zoro and jinbe when they need to its nothing special that separates him from other leaders, hes more of a support in strategy rather than leading
- lol like who Jabra, Kalifa? Vergo, Joker, Jabra, Queen, Black Maria?
- there is only 2 conquerors lol luffy his captain and zoro lol no one in the crew backs down from one another cause they are more like family, but funny you tried to compare sanji to the likes of WB and Kaido lol
As soon as Oden found out that he couldn't get peace without fighting, he went to kill Kaido. I'm not sure what you mean.
Someone else was involved with discussing ideals vs ambitions. Zoro's dream of being the best is not at the expense of literally everything. He would have accepted death vs Mihawk instead of running away to fight another day, after all. Maybe it seemed like I was trying to discuss absolutes, but that's not my point.
As for big mom and Judge, no. We know for a fact that she didn't intend for him to live. Neither villain set the expectation that they'd let him do something that didn't serve them.
Someone else was involved with discussing ideals vs ambitions. Zoro's dream of being the best is not at the expense of literally everything. He would have accepted death vs Mihawk instead of running away to fight another day, after all. Maybe it seemed like I was trying to discuss absolutes, but that's not my point.
As for big mom and Judge, no. We know for a fact that she didn't intend for him to live. Neither villain set the expectation that they'd let him do something that didn't serve them.
Oden decided to fight when he understood he was screwed either way. Fighting was the only thing he had left, at that point. Initially, he chose not to fight because Orochi tricked him into believing he wouldn't stand a chance.
Sanji had no idea BM was planning to kill him and his family, initially. He didn't accept the deal under those circumstances, he learned the truth much later. The only one who was fine with that turn of events was Reiju, not Sanji. After that, Sanji had the option of leaving and the only reason he stayed was because he wanted to save his family.
Sanji had no idea BM was planning to kill him and his family, initially. He didn't accept the deal under those circumstances, he learned the truth much later. The only one who was fine with that turn of events was Reiju, not Sanji. After that, Sanji had the option of leaving and the only reason he stayed was because he wanted to save his family.
