Theory Where Are All of the Ladies? - The Straw Hat Gender Pattern

[januarysdaughter]

Really well thought out theory, but I have some problems with it.

1. I don't see Luffy taking a child with him. We can talk all day about what Roger did, but it's Shanks that I see Luffy really modeling himself after, and Shanks refused to take him along.

2. Yes, Oden went with Whitebeard and Roger. And it led to the downfall of Wano. Had Oden been there to stop Orochi and those elders, it's possible that none of this would have happened. I don't see Momo wanting to make his dad's mistake. Plus, his sister hasn't seen him in 20 years. She deserves to spend time with him... When she isn't busy with her Shogun duties.

3. I don't want Pudding to join. She was an obnoxious character. Plus, she's not in Wano and I doubt Sanji would want to go back to get her.

4. I believe Monet is very, very dead.

 

[Tokiro Oumaga]

Really well thought out theory, but I have some problems with it.

1. I don't see Luffy taking a child with him. We can talk all day about what Roger did, but it's Shanks that I see Luffy really modeling himself after, and Shanks refused to take him along.

2. Yes, Oden went with Whitebeard and Roger. And it led to the downfall of Wano. Had Oden been there to stop Orochi and those elders, it's possible that none of this would have happened. I don't see Momo wanting to make his dad's mistake. Plus, his sister hasn't seen him in 20 years. She deserves to spend time with him... When she isn't busy with her Shogun duties.

3. I don't want Pudding to join. She was an obnoxious character. Plus, she's not in Wano and I doubt Sanji would want to go back to get her.

4. I believe Monet is very, very dead.

I will respond to each of those points individually

1. Fair

2. Also fair, but I think Hiyori's presence in Wano coupled with her personality and the current mentality of the people following twenty years of oppression that many of them blame themselves for would mean that Wano's recovery couldn't possibly be and wouldn't need to be left in the hands of a literal child who could then be forgiven for going on a soul-searching journey to adulthood that will reveal the hidden history of his lineage

3. Pudding hasn't been shown to be in Wano, granted, but she hasn't been explicitly said to not be in Wano. Furthermore, your opinion on Pudding has absolutely no bearing on Oda's writing decisions

4. If she's dead, then why did Oda deliberately show us that Caesar missed her heart?

Note that the shrapnel is buried in the deck, not the heart.

 

[Natalija]

Hahahah this was a fun read, perhaps more detailed than some actual doctoral theses I've read, props to whatever you're doing or will be doing in life

Although the theories blew my mind, I don't think ANYONE else will join the Straw Hats, male or female. I think Jinbe ever being on the ship for real is already a stretch. To be frank, if Goda adds other members, it will become too crowded. It already kinda is. A lot of the time most of the characters don't get any time to shine anymore. As opposed to the beginning when there were 5 or so, and their chemistry was endearing. It still is of course, but it rarely appears since there is just too many core characters.

I would love another female lead, but alas.

Also, the hair suddenly long pattern after time skip was the only thing I found kinda annoying. The thing that made Nami and Robin physically different from all these identical princess patterns - the short hair, which I found charming - is gone.

They have great characters above all else, but does every girl really have to look the same? Is long hair all there is to it? @ dear Goda

 

[Tokiro Oumaga]

Hahahah this was a fun read, perhaps more detailed than some actual doctoral theses I've read, props to whatever you're doing or will be doing in life

Although the theories blew my mind, I don't think ANYONE else will join the Straw Hats, male or female. I think Jinbe ever being on the ship for real is already a stretch. To be frank, if Goda adds other members, it will become too crowded. It already kinda is. A lot of the time most of the characters don't get any time to shine anymore. As opposed to the beginning when there were 5 or so, and their chemistry was endearing. It still is of course, but it rarely appears since there is just too many core characters.

I would love another female lead, but alas.

Also, the hair suddenly long pattern after time skip was the only thing I found kinda annoying. The thing that made Nami and Robin physically different from all these identical princess patterns - the short hair, which I found charming - is gone.

They have great characters above all else, but does every girl really have to look the same? Is long hair all there is to it? @ dear Goda

Really glad you liked it, even if you didn't agree! This is honestly the most refreshing and endearing way that I've ever been disagreed with, I truly truly appreciate it.

Plus, everything you had to say is completely fair. Thirteen main characters is a lot, and the dynamic shift has been quite obvious over the course of the past twenty years. Both of the main female leads having long hair is also somewhat less visually appealing, but to Oda's credit, he does seem to take advantage of it fairly often by having them wear it differently every arc or so, so it's not too great a loss, I think. That is part of why I think Carrot or another short-hair joining would be a bit better than a long hair, since she'd bring her own distinct visual flair and hearken back to the old days, but at the same time, if everyone's styling their long hair uniquely, I'm not too worried. Frankly I'd love to see what all Oda could do with Monet's hair. Maybe she'll even reverse the pattern and inexplicably have gotten her hair cut if God loves me at all.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Really glad you liked it, even if you didn't agree! This is honestly the most refreshing and endearing way that I've ever been disagreed with, I truly truly appreciate it.

Plus, everything you had to say is completely fair. Thirteen main characters is a lot, and the dynamic shift has been quite obvious over the course of the past twenty years. Both of the main female leads having long hair is also somewhat less visually appealing, but to Oda's credit, he does seem to take advantage of it fairly often by having them wear it differently every arc or so, so it's not too great a loss, I think. That is part of why I think Carrot or another short-hair joining would be a bit better than a long hair, since she'd bring her own distinct visual flair and hearken back to the old days, but at the same time, if everyone's styling their long hair uniquely, I'm not too worried. Frankly I'd love to see what all Oda could do with Monet's hair. Maybe she'll even reverse the pattern and inexplicably have gotten her hair cut if God loves me at all.

short hair on girls can look good, other times it looks like shit. Nami had fine good short hair. Robin ICR. Monet I think I've seen, it's ok.

 

[Natalija]

short hair on girls can look good, other times it looks like shit. Nami had fine good short hair. Robin ICR. Monet I think I've seen, it's ok.

Hahaha a mangaka can make anything look good if he wants! It's art, that's what artists do!

Really glad you liked it, even if you didn't agree! This is honestly the most refreshing and endearing way that I've ever been disagreed with, I truly truly appreciate it.

Plus, everything you had to say is completely fair. Thirteen main characters is a lot, and the dynamic shift has been quite obvious over the course of the past twenty years. Both of the main female leads having long hair is also somewhat less visually appealing, but to Oda's credit, he does seem to take advantage of it fairly often by having them wear it differently every arc or so, so it's not too great a loss, I think. That is part of why I think Carrot or another short-hair joining would be a bit better than a long hair, since she'd bring her own distinct visual flair and hearken back to the old days, but at the same time, if everyone's styling their long hair uniquely, I'm not too worried. Frankly I'd love to see what all Oda could do with Monet's hair. Maybe she'll even reverse the pattern and inexplicably have gotten her hair cut if God loves me at all.

Thank you, I had to admire your thought process either way.

See, I didn't think of it being styled differently. That is a plus I hadn't considered before, because I was annoyed at them becoming generic-looking. I suppose because Nami had her hair styled differently even when it was short, but indeed never seen it on Robin before. Very good point. Still a bit bothered by it, but a very good point :D

 

[Ravagerblade]

I looked up a Robin with short hair and found this; What do you think.

Spoiler

I do wonder if short hair/long hair theories fit anymore and it's just Oda's preference now.

 

[Tokiro Oumaga]

I looked up a Robin with short hair and found this; What do you think.

Spoiler

I do wonder if short hair/long hair theories fit anymore and it's just Oda's preference now.

I follow the Nisio Isin school of thought: the transition from long hair to short hair is a beautiful thing. Oda seems to be of the opposite camp, but at least he's taking advantage of it artistically.

Unrelated note, could you please provide sources for fanart you post? Y'know, in case anyone hypothetically wants to add it to their favorites or whatever...

 

[Ravagerblade]

I follow the Nisio Isin school of thought: the transition from long hair to short hair is a beautiful thing. Oda seems to be of the opposite camp, but at least he's taking advantage of it artistically.

Unrelated note, could you please provide sources for fanart you post? Y'know, in case anyone hypothetically wants to add it to their favorites or whatever...

https://www.deviantart.com/giddygalley/art/Short-haired-Robin-353559573 Hope that works.

 

[Su Long Bepo]

Very interesting indeed. Monet had a logia fruit, and she just so happened to be in the arc that we were shown how quickly a devil fruit is reincarnated when the user dies. If Monet died, her fruit surely would have appeared by now. Also, that scene that showed her heart intact is also very convincing.

I have a hard time believing that she will join the straw hats simply because I can't imagine an enemy joining without a practical reason, but then again this has happened before. Nobody thought Miss Ole' Sunday, Nico Robin, a Baroque Works agent would be joining the straw hats; but after the reveal that she was an archeologist, and her evildoings were rationalized by her backstory, accepting her seemed reasonable. Same with Franky: he was the leader of a gang of dismantlers and bounty hunters that literally beat up a crew member and stole all of their money. Later, it is revealed that he is actually a shipwright, and also gives a backstory that explains why he is the way he is.

In both of these cases, we meet a character that not only is an enemy of the straw hats, but also doesn't seem to present any practical skills or abilities that would be useful to the straw hats, other than battle strength. We don't find out about Robin's knowledge of archeology and Franky's shipbuilding skills until well past their introduction. That being said, we did find out about all of this within their respective arcs, and they joined the crew by the end. This is the one thing that differs from Monet, but since there is a fair amount of evidence showing that she is alive, I'd be open to the possibility. Great theory overall!

 

[Tokiro Oumaga]

Very interesting indeed. Monet had a logia fruit, and she just so happened to be in the arc that we were shown how quickly a devil fruit is reincarnated when the user dies. If Monet died, her fruit surely would have appeared by now. Also, that scene that showed her heart intact is also very convincing.

I have a hard time believing that she will join the straw hats simply because I can't imagine an enemy joining without a practical reason, but then again this has happened before. Nobody thought Miss Ole' Sunday, Nico Robin, a Baroque Works agent would be joining the straw hats; but after the reveal that she was an archeologist, and her evildoings were rationalized by her backstory, accepting her seemed reasonable. Same with Franky: he was the leader of a gang of dismantlers and bounty hunters that literally beat up a crew member and stole all of their money. Later, it is revealed that he is actually a shipwright, and also gives a backstory that explains why he is the way he is.

In both of these cases, we meet a character that not only is an enemy of the straw hats, but also doesn't seem to present any practical skills or abilities that would be useful to the straw hats, other than battle strength. We don't find out about Robin's knowledge of archeology and Franky's shipbuilding skills until well past their introduction. That being said, we did find out about all of this within their respective arcs, and they joined the crew by the end. This is the one thing that differs from Monet, but since there is a fair amount of evidence showing that she is alive, I'd be open to the possibility. Great theory overall!

Everybody catch all that? Cus this one gets it.

I will say though that you've neglected one crucial detail about Monet's introductory arc that sets her apart from Robin and Franky: the subtle implication of her field. At several points, we see Monet's nose buried in notes and a pile of books, and on at least two occasions we can clearly make out the letters on the spines of those books. There are at least two more that we can see, but they're a bit harder to make out.

Spoiler: Monet's Books

I don't know how well that's going to show up here, but in the first image you can see "ASTRO" and "LI", in the second you can see "CLIP", which is certainly the "LI" in greater detail based on the color of the book and position on the stack, and in the third you can see one that's much harder to read that seems to say "ANTI", possibly "ANTIG," though it could be something else. The fourth book I haven't a clue on, though I've seen it suggested it says "BLACK." I'm pretty confident it doesn't, but it's the only lead I have right now.

So what do those random bits of words have in common? They all appear to be related to astronomy. ASTRO, obviously, could either be ASTRONOMY or ASTROLOGY, CLIP would most likely be ECLIPSE, and ANTIG would be ANTIGRAVITY. If the final book does in fact say BLACK, it could be related to BLACK HOLE, though there doesn't seem to be room on that cover for that. Even if we only look at the easily identified books, though, that's a clear indication that Monet has some interest in astronomy for whatever reason. Star charts? Astrophysics? Horoscopes? Who's to say? But unlike Robin whose interest was completely unknown and Franky's whose could be vaguely pieced together earlier on, Monet's is on display for any particularly eagle-eyed readers.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Everybody catch all that? Cus this one gets it.

I will say though that you've neglected one crucial detail about Monet's introductory arc that sets her apart from Robin and Franky: the subtle implication of her field. At several points, we see Monet's nose buried in notes and a pile of books, and on at least two occasions we can clearly make out the letters on the spines of those books. There are at least two more that we can see, but they're a bit harder to make out.

I don't know how well that's going to show up here, but in the first image you can see "ASTRO" and "LI", in the second you can see "CLIP", which is certainly the "LI" in greater detail based on the color of the book and position on the stack, and in the third you can see one that's much harder to read that seems to say "ANTI", possibly "ANTIG," though it could be something else. The fourth book I haven't a clue on, though I've seen it suggested it says "BLACK." I'm pretty confident it doesn't, but it's the only lead I have right now.

So what do those random bits of words have in common? They all appear to be related to astronomy. ASTRO, obviously, could either be ASTRONOMY or ASTROLOGY, CLIP would most likely be ECLIPSE, and ANTIG would be ANTIGRAVITY. If the final book does in fact say BLACK, it could be related to BLACK HOLE, though there doesn't seem to be room on that cover for that. Even if we only look at the easily identified books, though, that's a clear indication that Monet has some interest in astronomy for whatever reason. Star charts? Astrophysics? Horoscopes? Who's to say? But unlike Robin whose interest was completely unknown and Franky's whose could be vaguely pieced together earlier on, Monet's is on display for any particularly eagle-eyed readers.

Edit: That image...really didn't show up as well as I wanted it to...

#JustwantmoreMonet
I'd love to see where Oda would take outer space or so. The possibilities could be endless considering just how vast Space is.

 

[PeperLevi]

Everybody catch all that? Cus this one gets it.

I will say though that you've neglected one crucial detail about Monet's introductory arc that sets her apart from Robin and Franky: the subtle implication of her field. At several points, we see Monet's nose buried in notes and a pile of books, and on at least two occasions we can clearly make out the letters on the spines of those books. There are at least two more that we can see, but they're a bit harder to make out.

Spoiler: Monet's Books

I don't know how well that's going to show up here, but in the first image you can see "ASTRO" and "LI", in the second you can see "CLIP", which is certainly the "LI" in greater detail based on the color of the book and position on the stack, and in the third you can see one that's much harder to read that seems to say "ANTI", possibly "ANTIG," though it could be something else. The fourth book I haven't a clue on, though I've seen it suggested it says "BLACK." I'm pretty confident it doesn't, but it's the only lead I have right now.

So what do those random bits of words have in common? They all appear to be related to astronomy. ASTRO, obviously, could either be ASTRONOMY or ASTROLOGY, CLIP would most likely be ECLIPSE, and ANTIG would be ANTIGRAVITY. If the final book does in fact say BLACK, it could be related to BLACK HOLE, though there doesn't seem to be room on that cover for that. Even if we only look at the easily identified books, though, that's a clear indication that Monet has some interest in astronomy for whatever reason. Star charts? Astrophysics? Horoscopes? Who's to say? But unlike Robin whose interest was completely unknown and Franky's whose could be vaguely pieced together earlier on, Monet's is on display for any particularly eagle-eyed readers.

Edit: That image...really didn't show up as well as I wanted it to...

I payed attention is her liking by study. With it,along with be a Logia user fighter in Straw Hats,she'll be a addition for crew's intelligence power.

 

[Su Long Bepo]

Everybody catch all that? Cus this one gets it.

I will say though that you've neglected one crucial detail about Monet's introductory arc that sets her apart from Robin and Franky: the subtle implication of her field. At several points, we see Monet's nose buried in notes and a pile of books, and on at least two occasions we can clearly make out the letters on the spines of those books. There are at least two more that we can see, but they're a bit harder to make out.

Spoiler: Monet's Books

I don't know how well that's going to show up here, but in the first image you can see "ASTRO" and "LI", in the second you can see "CLIP", which is certainly the "LI" in greater detail based on the color of the book and position on the stack, and in the third you can see one that's much harder to read that seems to say "ANTI", possibly "ANTIG," though it could be something else. The fourth book I haven't a clue on, though I've seen it suggested it says "BLACK." I'm pretty confident it doesn't, but it's the only lead I have right now.

So what do those random bits of words have in common? They all appear to be related to astronomy. ASTRO, obviously, could either be ASTRONOMY or ASTROLOGY, CLIP would most likely be ECLIPSE, and ANTIG would be ANTIGRAVITY. If the final book does in fact say BLACK, it could be related to BLACK HOLE, though there doesn't seem to be room on that cover for that. Even if we only look at the easily identified books, though, that's a clear indication that Monet has some interest in astronomy for whatever reason. Star charts? Astrophysics? Horoscopes? Who's to say? But unlike Robin whose interest was completely unknown and Franky's whose could be vaguely pieced together earlier on, Monet's is on display for any particularly eagle-eyed readers.

Edit: That image...really didn't show up as well as I wanted it to...

Wow......I don't know what to be more impressed by - the fact that Oda included such a minor detail that could serve as a clue for space travel in the future, or the fact that you noticed it. This is very convincing. With this, I definitely agree that she is not only alive, but also going to be relevant in the future of the story regarding space. I'm already convinced that space will be of some importance due to Enel's whole cover story and a few other things, but that's a conversation for another time. For Monet, I feel like the subtle hints have already been set. All she would need now is an arc in which she is very prevalent in order to provide some character development and a connection with the straw hats, and this could very well be true.

 

[Tokiro Oumaga]

Wow......I don't know what to be more impressed by - the fact that Oda included such a minor detail that could serve as a clue for space travel in the future, or the fact that you noticed it. This is very convincing. With this, I definitely agree that she is not only alive, but also going to be relevant in the future of the story regarding space. I'm already convinced that space will be of some importance due to Enel's whole cover story and a few other things, but that's a conversation for another time. For Monet, I feel like the subtle hints have already been set. All she would need now is an arc in which she is very prevalent in order to provide some character development and a connection with the straw hats, and this could very well be true.

Oh man, I wish I could take credit for noticing that. That's practically ancient Monet Theory lore by this point, it's just a detail I've held tight to for the past several years. If you want something that I did notice, juuust you wait.