Character Discussion Where does this idea that Law is the new gen Whitebeard come from?

[grey matter]

I know they are not exact, but with the case of shanks and mihawk is not about similiarties, its about the core.

Like if Gaban would lets say hate woman for example, no one in their right mind would call him a Sanji parallel. Mihawk is diametrically opposed to Whitebeard. It just isnt there even 1% imo.

And yeah characters can have multiple parallels, no disagreement on that.

As for looking for similarities in the new gen like i said i dont think this is not neccesary. If we go by "counting" its clearly Blackbeard that makes most sense.
However i think oda will just say who is it. If not its not there
Like coby is not a good example to debunk that because coby is inherently tied in the story with garp for over 1000 chapters to the point his defeat ties to him, similiar to shanks vs the fish, similiar to Luffy and Shanks
This doesnt convince me one bit that zoro could work

I understand the personality argument.
For me, it isn't the personality, but the role that defines portrayal.

Gaban uses axe and sends flying slashes, nothing like Sanji there when it comes to abilities.
But his role is monster trio of the old gen - a character who can stand shoulder to shoulder with Roger and Rayleigh, and far stronger than every other crewmate.
I really don't think personality mattered much here. Rayleigh is a womanizer gambler; the role however was the same - a partner type RHM comparable to captain in power.

Whitebeard's role, in relation to Roger, is pretty much same as Mihawk's role in relation to Shanks.
A friendly rival with pretty much equal power, a relatively uncaring individual with a world's strongest title in contrast to the more dreaming/ambitious one.

Coby is as different from Garp as one possibly can be.
But it is his role as Luffy's future marine rival that makes him Garp parallel.

I will acknowledge that there isn't a clear Whitebeard parallel in new gen.
Cause a friendly rival with comparable power. Kid could've been that guy prior to wano raid.
Mihawk isn't Zoro's clear parallel either when we look at it this way, his mid gen parallel is Ben Beckman if we look at relation in contrast to Luffy - a partner type RHM that is close to him in power.

Like, Zoro isn't intended to be equal or superior to Luffy. He's intended to be equal or inferior to Luffy.
But Mihawk is intended to be equal or superior to Shanks

The confusion ends when we stop limiting characters to one lane of portrayal.

Luffy has Joyboy, Ryuma, Roger, Shanks, Oden.
Zoro has Ryuma, Rayleigh, Oden, Ben, Mihawk.
Then there is partner duo and monster trio.
Whitebeard portrayal is a reach, but there is some merit to it (Ryuma was WSM, Mihawk fulfills role of mid gen WB). I wouldn't stress too much on it as a Zoro fan, it isn't needed because Ryuma is (likely) going to be on another level, plus Rayleigh is pretty damn close to Whitebeard anyway.

 

[SatanKingofHell]

Zoro is the end and the beginning.

Everything and nothing is a parallel of Zoro, not the other way around.

Greenbeard, Green Rocks, Green Roger, Green Rayleigh, Green Mom, Green Kaidou... the list will go on and on.

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[NotTommy]

I think Kid and Law will be strong pirates of this generation, but Oda has yet to draw strong parallels between them and Roger's rivals and adversaries. Law is Law, he'll be alright and probably be relevant in the final war, but Luffy's Whitebeard is a stretch.

 

[kekaro]

I understand the personality argument.
For me, it isn't the personality, but the role that defines portrayal.

Gaban uses axe and sends flying slashes, nothing like Sanji there when it comes to abilities.
But his role is monster trio of the old gen - a character who can stand shoulder to shoulder with Roger and Rayleigh, and far stronger than every other crewmate.
I really don't think personality mattered much here. Rayleigh is a womanizer gambler; the role however was the same - a partner type RHM comparable to captain in power.

Whitebeard's role, in relation to Roger, is pretty much same as Mihawk's role in relation to Shanks.
A friendly rival with pretty much equal power, a relatively uncaring individual with a world's strongest title in contrast to the more dreaming/ambitious one.

Coby is as different from Garp as one possibly can be.
But it is his role as Luffy's future marine rival that makes him Garp parallel.

I will acknowledge that there isn't a clear Whitebeard parallel in new gen.
Cause a friendly rival with comparable power. Kid could've been that guy prior to wano raid.
Mihawk isn't Zoro's clear parallel either when we look at it this way, his mid gen parallel is Ben Beckman if we look at relation in contrast to Luffy - a partner type RHM that is close to him in power.

Like, Zoro isn't intended to be equal or superior to Luffy. He's intended to be equal or inferior to Luffy.
But Mihawk is intended to be equal or superior to Shanks

The confusion ends when we stop limiting characters to one lane of portrayal.

Luffy has Joyboy, Ryuma, Roger, Shanks, Oden.
Zoro has Ryuma, Rayleigh, Oden, Ben, Mihawk.
Then there is partner duo and monster trio.
Whitebeard portrayal is a reach, but there is some merit to it (Ryuma was WSM, Mihawk fulfills role of mid gen WB). I wouldn't stress too much on it as a Zoro fan, it isn't needed because Ryuma is (likely) going to be on another level, plus Rayleigh is pretty damn close to Whitebeard anyway.

I know you are not a hardcore zorofan trying to foce it, i just dont see it. But even if i approached this from a role aspect:
What was really, in the story WBs role:
- Clearly had low ambitions, which the story even draw attention is, for how strong a guy he is from the begining, "just" wanting a family, depicting him as one of the few top tiers that are not seeking power or wanting to stand on top (directly oppose to mihawk and kinda also zoro)
- Was measured and analytical, he wanted not even 1 other Conqueror in his crew after the disband of rocks (again, mihawk has no crew and zoro is again a DIRECT opposite wanting a headstrong guy like luffy like himself while him being a crew member). Etablishing as a captain unlike the others that disbanded from rocks
- He was impressed by oden that he gave his ambition to leave wano for a woman. Again his role was etablished different than the rest

I could go on but the end point is WB story was to be a counter balance to the traditional captains and strong guys. Just like for example Garp is a "silly" marine at the end of the day with his own way of justice that is way more alligned with the "good guys". Coby can cry all he wants but that is also true to Coby (and also smoker and thats why people also bring him up as the next garp)
Mihawk, and by extension Zoro, do not only have not that role they are LITERAL opposites. They are the straight top tier/future top tier guys WB role in the story are. Like you can feel free to disagree but thats my point and i dont think you are not gonna change that. Its how i read the story every since WB at Marineford when it was released.

I think the issue is also (and i think thats the main issue) people, like law, or some zoro fans, want the Whitebeard parallel not because of whitebeard but because of the WSM Title. However obviously someone could be WSM without being at all like whitebeard neither in role nor personality. Its not like the previous WSS (if there was probally) just like mihawk, Ryuma for example clearly wasnt at all.
Thats why im saying if there is WSM it gonna be stated in the story rather than guessing.

Meanwhile, a straight whitebeard parallel is not yet shown in the story yet. I even heavily disagree with Kidd even if we take out all battle related stuff, Kidds role in the new gen is not like WB at all imo. I actually would say between Law and Kidd, Law is actually more akin to WB function

 

[HA001]

I know you are not a hardcore zorofan trying to foce it, i just dont see it. But even if i approached this from a role aspect:
What was really, in the story WBs role:
- Clearly had low ambitions, which the story even draw attention is, for how strong a guy he is from the begining, "just" wanting a family, depicting him as one of the few top tiers that are not seeking power or wanting to stand on top (directly oppose to mihawk and kinda also zoro)
- Was measured and analytical, he wanted not even 1 other Conqueror in his crew after the disband of rocks (again, mihawk has no crew and zoro is again a DIRECT opposite wanting a headstrong guy like luffy like himself while him being a crew member). Etablishing as a captain unlike the others that disbanded from rocks
- He was impressed by oden that he gave his ambition to leave wano for a woman. Again his role was etablished different than the rest

I could go on but the end point is WB story was to be a counter balance to the traditional captains and strong guys. Just like for example Garp is a "silly" marine at the end of the day with his own way of justice. Coby can cry all he wants but that is also true to Coby (and also smoker and thats why people also bring him up as the next garp)
Mihawk, and by extension Zoro, do not only have not that role they are LITERAL opposites. They are the straight top tier/future top tier guys WB role in the story are. Like you can feel free to disagree but thats my point and i dont think you are not gonna change that. Its how i read the story every since WB at Marineford when it was released.

I think the issue is also (and i think thats the main issue) people, like law, or some zoro fans, want the Whitebeard parallel not because of whitebeard but because of the WSM Title. However obviously someone could be WSM without being at all like whitebeard neither in role nor personality. Its not like thw previous WSS (if there was probally just like mihawk, Ryuma for example clearly wasnt at all.
Thats why im saying if there is WSM it gonna be stated in the story rather than guessing.

Meanwhile, a straight whitebeard parallel is not yet shown in the story yet. I even heavily disagree with Kidd even if we take out all battle related stuff, Kidds role in the new gen is not like WB at all imo. I actually would say between Law and Kidd, Law is actually more akin to WB function

That's the point on luffy. He's the roger whose got the wb of his gen on his side the shanks that has mihawk on his side.
The world's strongest.

 

[kekaro]

That's the point on luffy. He's the roger whose got the wb of his gen on his side the shanks that has mihawk on his side.
The world's strongest.

Read my post again, especially the second last sentence talking about battle/strength related stuff

 

[HA001]

Read my post again, especially the second last sentence talking about battle/strength related stuff

I read your post.
There won't be wb just like roger isn't the same as Shanks isn't the same as luffy.
There's always a strawhat and a worlds strongest who are the rivals in power of every gen.
As always luffys strongest power is making the only one who can rival him join his side.

 

[kekaro]

There's always a strawhat and a worlds strongest who are the rivals in power of every gen.

?

 

[park_min young]

As always luffys strongest power is making the only one who can rival him join his side.

Roger had Ray and Gaban who could rival him and are stated to be his equals.
Guess what? He still had a WB, a Shiki, and a Xebec that rivaled him if not surpass him.

 

[HA001]

Roger had Ray and Gaban who could rival him and are stated to be his equals.
Guess what? He still had a WB, a Shiki, and a Xebec that rivaled him if not surpass him.

Luffy has that in zoro.

Not guys who get stomped by shanks and fatbeard. Roger never one shot shikki

 

[park_min young]

Luffy has that in zoro.

Not guys who get stomped by shanks and fatbeard. Roger never one shot shikki

Proof that Luffy can stomp Kidd or Law? Luffy’s getting stomped by his future villain bro, he needs a powerup to beat Teach.

Oda has protected and double downed on the rival dynamic with the 3 bill.

 

[SkySanji]

Lmfao that poll

Low fans...

 

[GeneralP123]

They're about as similar as Kizaru and Rayleigh are.

 

[HA001]

Proof that Luffy can stomp Kidd or Law? Luffy’s getting stomped by his future villain bro, he needs a powerup to beat Teach.

Oda has protected and double downed on the rival dynamic with the 3 bill.

Luffy dog walks both together.

 

[Paragorn]

Nah bruh, i'm starting to believe Zoro is indeed the new WB. They both use bandana....

 

[park_min young]

Luffy dog walks both together.

Portrayal says otherwise. Law/Teach was paralleling Shanks/WB meetup through the marines and Akainu’s comments. Oda hyped up Law in every sentence in that fight and showed BB injured and panting by the end of it. You got nothing to prove that it was a stomp.

At the height of what he’s truly capable of or shown, then he theoretically dog walks both Law/Kid just as much as he dogwalks Zoro and Sanji together LOL. Luffy vs Law or Kidd will be a difficult fight if it’s written in the story though. I assure you that one. You really think that Luffy will low-diff Law in a canon fight? 🫣. He might get treated worse than BB.

 

[HA001]

Portrayal says otherwise. Law/Teach was paralleling Shanks/WB meetup through the marines and Akainu’s comments. Oda hyped up Law in every sentence in that fight and showed BB injured and panting by the end of it. You got nothing to prove that it was a stomp.

At the height of what he’s truly capable of or shown, then he theoretically dog walks both Law/Kid just as much as he dogwalks Zoro and Sanji together LOL. Luffy vs Law or Kidd will be a difficult fight if it’s written in the story though. I assure you that one. You really think that Luffy will low-diff Law in a canon fight? 🫣. He might get treated worse than BB.

Tf you mean portrayal.

Shanks just one shot kidd.

Law got stomped the second bb used the yami. They were just 3 bil berry mail men who hand delivered rps to the real rival.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I don't think there is any 1:1 parallel of WB in current era. BB is an anti WB so he can be argued as one who is reverse WB for now.

In terms of "family" thing Katakuri though he is no where near as powerful as WB.

Law just like WB has broken and one of the most powerful DF. Law's awakening can create shockwaves and has big AOE attacks like gura gura no mi.

 

[park_min young]

Tf you mean portrayal.

Shanks just one shot kidd.

Law got stomped the second bb used the yami. They were just 3 bil berry mail men who hand delivered rps to the real rival.

One shot an unguarded Kidd with Roger’s move that even Rayleigh can‘t recreate?

Law didn’t get stomped, there was a passing of time. Blackbeard’s face looked worse and he was panting. Even VCs imply that it was competitive, you got nothing.

 

[HA001]

One shot an unguarded Kidd with Roger’s move that even Rayleigh can‘t recreate?

Law didn’t get stomped, there was a passing of time. Blackbeard’s face looked worse and he was panting. Even VCs imply that it was competitive, you got nothing.

One shot. Neg diffed.

Kurozu. Gg