Character Discussion Where does this idea that Law is the new gen Whitebeard come from?

[Lor D. Coast]

It's just a matter of perspective I suppose.

For me, it's the moreso (but not only) the role that is played, while for you give personality more weight that I do.
I can get that, since Roger pretty much became a Luffy clone in persona in oden flashback, while he seemed to be similar but different and darker pre TS. We know why Oda did it (to force parallels via persona cause there is massive disconnect in fighting styles), leading to Gold Roger vs Gol D Roger memes.

When looked at things from a roles perspective, it would become easier to see why many (including me and even some youtubers like Morj) thought it was going to be Kid, at least pre Wano raid.
Personality isn't there, Kid is extremely ambitious and violent, WB wasn't. But he had a true portrayal with Luffy unlike Law, which unfortunately was completely abandoned by Oda by the time raid started.

Let me just ask you this question though, to show where I'm coming from.
In mid gen, who is Zoro's parallel?
- Is it Ben Beckman, who is the partner type RHM of Shanks who is close to Shanks in power and authority; i.e, essentially the mid gen Rayleigh ?
- Is it Mihawk, who is WSS and the one Zoro is trying to surpass?

Ben Beckman fits the role. Mihawk fits the dream. Neither of them fits the personality for Zoro.
But they both have at least some portrayal with Zoro, right?

This is what @HA001 is also alluding to:

There is no 1:1 comparison between anyone.
There are just similarities. We can always find dissimilarities if we try to find them, because they aren't meant to be the same, they are meant to just have similarities.

Zoro isn't just meant to be another Rayleigh, he's that and something more.
Isn't Mihawk a bit more special than Ben Beckman? Ben Beckman is pretty much the mid gen Rayleigh, partner type RHM of Shanks. Mihawk is the friendly rival with whom Shanks had many duels without winners, and have drinks together as equals.

Zoro has portrayal with both Mihawk and Ben Beckmen in the mid gen.



I agree. There is no clear 1:1 parallel of WB in new gen.

What about mid gen? Does Shanks/Mihawk fit the Roger/WB relationship?

Disconnect Zoro from the equation all together.

This guy gets it, there's no 1:1 parallels, these characters have different personalities, motivations and fighting styles, it's all about positions and dynamics.
Shanks and Ben are the current Roger and Ray, Mihawk aka WSS is the chill rival that doesn't care about anything = WB. Shanks and Mihawk even have about the same bounty difference that Roger and WB had.
Kidd, Law, Zoro or wtv have no business in here.

 

[kekaro]

Why does that matter when law went through 0 PUs , what will a second chance do ?


Dr zoro’s sanzen sekai has more DC than kamusari , doesn’t mean they are equal in AP


Zoro is irrelevant to my point tho
I am only talking abt captain trio


Kidd got one shotted by shanks and law can’t even perceive kaido’s attack , it doesn’t change scaling here .

Luffy was able to toy around an attack which rekt law , nika is on the same level as the guy who one shotted kidd .

There is no sort of relativity between luffy and these 2 .

I dont know how that argument even comes from
Like narratively (which always scale with, and is way more fitting for a "parallel" or "equals" imo than counting feats or something):
Kaido ~ Big Mom
Luffy used Awakening to take kaido down ex diff
Law and Kidd used Awakening to take Big mom down ex diff (Im ignoring any gauntlet or tnt arguments, narratively oda clearly does consider luffy law and kidd as the people that are the new gen that defeated them, this is like arguing but actually Arlong defeated Luffy and he only was alive thanks to sanji nojiko and gonzo)

So Law and Kidd together ~ Luffy is the best thing the narrative implies

 

[park_min young]

Why does that matter when law went through 0 PUs , what will a second chance do ?


Dr zoro’s sanzen sekai has more DC than kamusari , doesn’t mean they are equal in AP


Zoro is irrelevant to my point tho
I am only talking abt captain trio


Kidd got one shotted by shanks and law can’t even perceive kaido’s attack , it doesn’t change scaling here .

Luffy was able to toy around an attack which rekt law , nika is on the same level as the guy who one shotted kidd .

There is no sort of relativity between luffy and these 2 .

There is relativity between these two because Oda himself portrays it as so. It is the same why Mihawk has ass feats compared to Shanks or why BM has ass feats compared to Kaido but portrayal says otherwise. Did BM ever show any speed relative to Thunder Bagua? Did Fujitora ever show speed relative to Kizaru? No, they didn’t but that doesn’t mean they‘ll lose or get rekt lol.

“Rekt Law”, you mean the attack that Law shrugged off then went on to beat a yonko afterwards without ever getting knocked out himself? While Zoro and Luffy slept for 7 days straight after their respective extreme-diff? Yes, go tell me more about how Kaido rekt Law lol.

If anything, Law’s showings against Blackbeard carries Kidd upwards. Oda vindicated Law’s portrayal throughout his fight with Blackbeard. I ain’t ever seen a guy get that much gas against his natural counter. Oda was paralleling Law vs Teach like a Shanks vs WB.

I dont know how that argument even comes from
Like narratively (which always scale with, and is way more fitting for a "parallel" or "equals" imo than counting feats or something):
Kaido ~ Big Mom
Luffy used Awakening to take kaido down ex diff
Law and Kidd used Awakening to take Big mom down ex diff (Im ignoring any gauntlet or tnt arguments, narratively oda clearly does consider luffy law and kidd as the people that are the new gen that defeated them, this is like arguing but actually Arlong defeated Luffy and he only was alive thanks to sanji nojiko and gonzo)

So Law and Kidd together ~ Luffy is the best thing the narrative implies

Kidd and Law were the only ones who ever fought BM, beat BM and they were even nerfed before the fight evan began. Luffy had 3 rounds against Kaido within one sitting and Kaido had ran through a gauntlet so it cancels out.

G5 most definitely pushed him to that tier but acoc Luffy didn’t, Kidd/Law individually are close to that. Law’s awakening showed crazier AP than what g4 Luffy can even sniff. One powerup Luffy (acoc) ~ one powerup Kidd/Law. This is a fair take, fairest as could be.

 

[kekaro]

Kidd and Law were the only ones who ever fought BM, beat BM and they were even nerfed before the fight evan began. Luffy had 3 rounds against Kaido within one sitting and Kaido had ran through a gauntlet so it cancels out.

G5 most definitely pushed him to that tier but acoc Luffy didn’t, Kidd/Law individually are close to that. Law’s awakening showed crazier AP than what g4 Luffy can even sniff. One powerup Luffy (acoc) ~ one powerup Kidd/Law. This is a fair take, fairest as could be.

A) I said im talking about the narrative, not about microanalysing like WG does this shit and Oda clearly does not. I gave you even 2 examples why not
B) You are just weakening your own points if you want to compare Luffy feats against Laws, not only are they in the same statosphere, it also weakens Big Mom position because oda didnt give her the same focus as Kaido
Law was fanboying about zoro and questioning god on the RT (mind you, he already HAD awakening at this point as he stated, he just didnt use it) what zoro did pre his PU
Like i said this is not the route you want to take

50% of Luffy at best take it or leave it

 

[Gol D. Roger]

There used to be a reference that has something to do with Trafalgar Square, which I don't remember now.

Both are rivals to PK candidates—although Law's far from what WB was to Roger aside from them being on friendly terms.

Both have some kind of apex Paramecia DF—although they attained those titles over completely different reasons, etc.

All reasons are kinda forced tbh.

 

[park_min young]

A) I said im talking about the narrative, not about microanalysing like WG does this shit and Oda clearly does not. I gave you even 2 examples why not
B) You are just weaken your own points if you want to compare Luffy feats against Laws, not only are they in the same statosphere, it also weakens Big Mom position because oda didnt give her the same focus as Kaido
Law was fanboying about zoro and questioning god on the RT (mind you, he already HAD awakening at this point as he stated, he just didnt use it) what zoro did pre his PU
Like i said this is not the route you want to take

50% of Luffy at best take it or leave it

BM is close to Kaido, it’s been established a bunch of times if you want to talk about narrative.
Wdym fanboying bro? Reaction scaling, really? Because Law put the fear of god against Big Mom whenever he showed awakening lmfaoo. BM was BEGGING him not to unleash his attack. That was just a hype moment for Zoro with Law showing a little bit of reaction, wasn’t even exaggerated.

That’s not even good maths, you should divide Luffy’s credit for Kaido to 14 other people including Kidd and Law 😂

 

[ConquistadoR]

Blackbeard is that guy, not Law.

Law will never skysplit in a equal clash with Goofy.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Blackbeard is that guy, not Law.

Law will never skysplit in a equal clash with Goofy.

Is that even necessary? It's true BB is more of a WB's parallel than Law though.

 

[kekaro]

BM is close to Kaido, it’s been established a bunch of times if you want to talk about narrative.

Yes, that was MY point
Than you start yapping about feats and sniffing APs
Either stick to Narrative or to feats, stop mixing those up like it fits your current agenda

That’s not even good maths, you should divide Luffy’s credit for Kaido to 14 other people including Kidd and Law 😂

Oh you legit didnt read my post, i guess you are the temple version of law fans, continue

 

[kekaro]

Another gaban crashout
This is the 8th so far in wg
@Kurozumi Wiwi

 

[MonsterKaido]

 

[park_min young]

Another gaban crashout
This is the 8th so far in wg
@Kurozumi Wiwi

Oh no Gaban is cool, doesn’t change the fact that Sanji is Law’s bottom bitch though. Know your place.

 

[zenox]

There is relativity between these two because Oda himself portrays it as so. It is the same why Mihawk has ass feats compared to Shanks or why BM has ass feats compared to Kaido but portrayal says otherwise. Did BM ever show any speed relative to Thunder Bagua? Did Fujitora ever show speed relative to Kizaru? No, they didn’t but that doesn’t mean they‘ll lose or get rekt lol.

Well , the examples u showcased have a history of fighting each other unlike captain trio , here u get law asking for help from luffy on 2 different occasions .
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We are strictly talking abt individual strength and there is literally a panel of law getting blitzed by TB , this isn’t some speculation I am throwing here .

Rekt Law”, you mean the attack that Law shrugged off then went on to beat a yonko afterwards without ever getting knocked out himself? While Zoro and Luffy slept for 7 days straight after their respective extreme-diff? Yes, go tell me more about how Kaido rekt Law lol.

Never knew shrugging something off looks like this ..

U learn new things everyday

If anything, Law’s showings against Blackbeard carries Kidd upwards. Oda vindicated Law’s portrayal throughout his fight with Blackbeard. I ain’t ever seen a guy get that much gas against his natural counter. Oda was paralleling Law vs Teach like a Shanks vs WB.

All that and this still exists …

This is a clear hierarchy in combat and that’s fuckin gear2 luffy

 

[kekaro]

Oh no Gaban is cool, doesn’t change the fact that Sanji is Law’s bottom bitch though. Know your place.

Sanjis floor parallel gets comparisons with roger
Law gets his ass saved by chopper medicine and this thread to shoehorn him as a new WB that rivals liks87 logis
This is just the way it goes no reason to crash out about that

 

[Roo]

Trafalgar Law really has a lot of fandoms pressed lol

 

[zenox]

Another gaban crashout
This is the 8th so far in wg
@Kurozumi Wiwi

Where tf did that quoted comment go ? I can’t see it

 

[kekaro]

Where tf did that quoted comment go ? I can’t see it

He called me a "sanjicuck" that leeches off zoro fans or something and low number 1, something along those lines, mods probaly removed it Better that way we dont want people crash out over drawings

 

[zenox]

He called me a "sanjicuck" that leeches off zoro fans or something and low number 1, something along those lines, mods probaly removed it Better that way we dont want people crash out over drawings

Nah , its fun to see some meltdowns

 

[park_min young]

He called me a "sanjicuck" that leeches off zoro fans or something and low number 1, something along those lines, mods probaly removed it Better that way we dont want people crash out over drawings

What crashout are you talking about?
Man, that’s pretty tame lmfao. Did you report that one Cuckaro? I didn’t even bring in Gaban, I respect that old man. I spoke the truth about Sanji getting neg diffed by Law in PH. Sanji has always been fathoms below him throughout post-ts.

 

[warsame zaylai]

We saw in the last 2 chapters just how obvious Oda makes it when he draws parallels between new gen and old gen characters. Hitting the reader over the head with the power of love stuff wasn't enough, Oda had Luffy explicitly say Gaban reminds him of Sanji.

So why is it that Law fans argue that he's the Whitebeard equivalent of this generation? Where is this comparison coming from?

To be fair it make sense
Luffy = joyboy + roger
Zoro = Ryuma + Ray
Sanji = Gaban
Law = whitebeard
Bb= rocks
Kidd = kaido