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Fascism has nothing to do with racism, it has 1000 flaws and bad things but the original italian fascism was about culture, not race.

So you guys are talking out of your ass or schooled in america where you are either Republican - Fascist or Democrat - Communist in the american psycothic view.
Bro what??
Facism is by definition a nationalistic movement, where a nation sees itself as superior to other nations through unlawful control over them. Akainu simply wants to destroy piracy, which obviously is neither a race nor nation
 
Racism absolutely is a core tenant of fascism. The belief that your people are some sort of precursor to a “master race” but are held back by the other races/minorities who are filth/impure and need to be cleansed or removed…yeah this is fascism 101.
Open up a history book. This class ain't free, and you don't read at a high enough level.

Hence why the simple fact that Akainu is authoritarian does not make him fascist by definition. lol
Akainu is the attack dog of the fascist World Government and Absolute Justice is an extremist, fascist ideology.

You are the most unnecessarily angry person I’ve ever come into contact with.

I don’t say this lightly, but literally seek help lol.
You mistake disgust for anger.

You and people like you who don't realise how dim their own light is genuinely disgust me. Addressing your caping for fascist manga daddy does not warrant respect.

@Rumble is probably braindead enough to treat outlaws as a race, lmao
You're another admiral stan shit stain I can't take seriously.

It's his argument race is a core component of fascism.

The World Government is a centralised, autocratic government engaged in violence, slavery, suppression of information and academia and extrajudicial killings. They decide who the outlaws are and the Marines function as their attack dogs. Their definition of criminal does not begin and end with pirates and criminals - it's anyone they perceive as a threat. That includes defenceless scholars and even former mouth pieces in the press.

Bro what??
Facism is by definition a nationalistic movement, where a nation sees itself as superior to other nations through unlawful control over them. Akainu simply wants to destroy piracy, which obviously is neither a race nor nation
Akainu's Absolute Justice, a product of the World Government, is literally fascism in a nutshell.
 
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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Fascism has nothing to do with racism, it has 1000 flaws and bad things but the original italian fascism was about culture, not race.
Prejudice against culture is oftentimes just prejudice against race when it’s the government railing against culture lol. Here in the U.S. there are famously tapes of Nixon’s administration saying they simply started targeting culture when targeting race became unpopular, and this achieved the same outcome which was victimizing minority races.

Akainu is the attack dog of the fascist World Government and Absolute Justice is an extremist, fascist ideology.
Lol, no. Akainu’s core aim is to protect civilians. Fascists don’t give a fuck about civilians lmfao.

The Marines exist primarily to combat pirates and other criminal groups who victimize civilians. The real “attack dog” of the WG is the Holy Knights and the Gorosei who literally go on slave hunts against other groups they want absorbed into the WG.

You can say irl police uphold a fascist system, but to say someone like Akainu is fascist is just stupid. The biggest allies to fascism are people who loudly and angrily spend all their time mis-defining fascism to cause confusion around what it actually is. Nothing benefits fascists more than when none among the general populace can accurately identify fascism.

Reflect on your past few comments with this in mind lol.

You and people like you who don't realise how dim their own light is genuinely disgust me.
1. Nor do we care
2. This comment belongs in the dictionary next to the phrase “the pot calling the kettle black” lol
 
Prejudice against culture is oftentimes just prejudice against race when it’s the government railing against culture lol. Here in the U.S. there are famously tapes of Nixon’s administration saying they simply started targeting culture when targeting race became unpopular, and this achieved the same outcome which was victimizing minority races.
Often.

Not always.

One Piece couldn't be more explicitly anti-fascist, but perhaps it would do you good to read more stories without pictures or flashy powers.

Lol, no. Akainu’s core aim is to protect civilians.
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Basically anyone that is part of a fandom and not the story itself has horrendous takes.

The discussions on social media and forums have been getting worse and worse for years now.

Look back at old discussion threads from around 2014 or earlier (apforums for example) - difference in discussion culture and maturity is night and day.
 
Okay not going into whole Fascism definition debate ,
‘But Akainu is far from Fascism . Akainu simply hate pirates and hate luffy by his personal reason. Nothing do with his politics.
‘And Fascism have economic and nationalism goals which Akainu have none of it .
Even if Akainu become king of the world or whatever . He won’t change economics of the world like fascist , communist , etc.

Akainu simply want absolute justice can simply found on any political parties .

Beside oda not going tell Akainu politics beliefs,

Even if Akainu end up military tyrant villain, he is not fascist . There are Military dictatorship are not even fascism .
 
The more appeal a manga has to battledome dipshits that count pixels, the worse the discourse.

Look no further than One Piece.

It's been weeks between Luffy struggling to beat Doflamingo and beating Kaidou. All Oda evidently cares about is what serves the story, not the nonsense battle shounen fanboys obsess about.
 
Bro what??
Facism is by definition a nationalistic movement, where a nation sees itself as superior to other nations through unlawful control over them. Akainu simply wants to destroy piracy, which obviously is neither a race nor nation
Check what italian fascism was.
They were about culture, not race.
Because there is no point in defining an "italian" race
 
Check what italian fascism was.
They were about culture, not race.
Because there is no point in defining an "italian" race
You're correct but your efforts are wasted.

I already tried this tack once.
That definition very much describes the WORLD GOVERNMENT, which is a centralised, autocratic government headed by dictatorial leaders, and Akainu's role in it, which is the means by which said government violently suppresses opposition.

We don't need to know the specifics of Akainu's views; he serves an oppressive, authoritarian regime that enslaves and rules through violence, control of information, misinformation and extrajudicial killings - including that of civilian scholars and all those critical of or in contradiction to the state dogma, i.e. all those that can be considered a threat to "the group", which is what fascism boils down to.

Fascism boils down "This is the group. This is how we do things. Conform, or else."

Whether Akainu likes his superiors is irrelevant. Fascism cannot sustain itself precisely because it is an ideology that needs out-groups and enemies to ostracise to sustain itself. Infighting and collapse is the inevitable fate of all fascistic regimes. So, even if Akainu one day decided the Gorosei had to go and removed them from power, nothing would change his views on how to wield that power. He already believes Absolute Justice, which is a product of the World Government's influence, permits summary executions for dissent, desertion and insubordination - i.e. fascism.

I'll be charitable and chalk this up to genuine ignorance, rather than the blatant denial this reads as. Here's a video that breaks down what fascism actually is.

I would also generally recommend trying to form understandings of concepts from a historical context rather than attempting to get by on textbook definitions.

He will simply reject whatever doesn't jive with his delusions.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Check what italian fascism was.
They were about culture, not race.
Because there is no point in defining an "italian" race
Because fascism at its core is about a hysterical nationalistic pride. But not pride in the actual nation, pride in a deluded belief of what the nation actually is. Italian fascists weren’t proud of Italy in actuality, they were proud in their own deluded beliefs of what Italy was. Which didn’t exist because again, fascism is inherently a deluded ideology.

This fits Ryokugyu perfectly. He thinks the World Nobles are gods who created the world. He also believes in a WG dominated hierarchy of other, inferior countries.

^Textbook Fascism

Again, literally not even close to Akainu’s beliefs which is literally just pirates = bad lmfao
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
He’s so close yet so far :kobeha:

Now he ignoring the racial component he’s been arguing is foundational to fascist ideology.
Man up and quote me if you’re going to comment lmfao.

Anyway, no I am not ignoring the racial component, because I and @SakazOuki explicitly said, fascism only exists when the fascists have a particular group to believe themselves superior than.

Whether fascists discriminate based on race, culture, ethnicity, the fact is discrimination against “inferior” groups is a fundamental part of fascism. There are obviously instances where fascists discriminate based purely on culture and not actually on race (though race and culture are almost always heavily intertwined), but generally the statement that racism is essential to fascism holds. I’m sure you can find a small minority of fascist movements who didn’t discriminate based on race, but broadly speaking yes racism is an essential aspect of fascism. Because fascists need to have those groups they believe themselves superior to.

For Ryokugyu this is everyone who isn’t a part of the WG. “Discrimination creates solice!” <-This is what fascism is lmfao

Pirates = evil is not fascist lmfao, because 99% of pirates in the OP world are objectively evil scum. Akainu doesn’t believe himself superior to pirates, he believes they’re evil and should be eradicated. Ryokugyu explicitly believes the WG to be superior to the non-WG.

Delusion Rumble. Delusion is what creates fascism. Ryokugyu is deluded, Akainu really isn’t lmfao.
 
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