Powers & Abilities Whitebeard couldn't fight Kaido in Wano because Gura Gura would make Mt. Fuji explode

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I just realized this: Whitebeard is smart, he knows what his Fruit does. I believe he also had some knowledge of the prophecies regarding the Dawn: he was so close to Roger, and Oden. Newgate had to have triggered at least volcano over the years with his earthquakes. Why on earth would he want to cause a volcanic eruption in his Nakama's Home Country? Kaido knew Whitebeard's Fruit from Rox days, and knew Newgate wouldn't be willing to risk the damage.

Newgate vs Kaido without his Fruit, I'm taking Kaido.

Kaido was the coward: he used Wano as a shield, so Newgate couldn't stop him.

We'll probably get some flashback to this when we see Kaido again and the Whitebeard Remnants/Roger Remnants sail to Wano: Gyaban already foreshadowed this happening.

We know earthquakes make Mt. Fuji explode from right after Luffy beat Kaido, when we cut to Bananuki-san in Udon Prison:

This is what Marco meant: if Newgate fought Kaido in Wano seriously, Mt. Fuji is fucking exploding, and killing a shit ton of people. To a country that was already on the verge of collapse, this could have been it.

Also Pluton/Dawn 20 Year Prophecy stuff

 

[MonsterKaido]

I just realized this: Whitebeard is smart, he knows what his Fruit does. I believe he also had some knowledge of the prophecies regarding the Dawn: he was so close to Roger, and Oden. Newgate had to have triggered at least volcano over the years with his earthquakes. Why on earth would he want to cause a volcanic eruption in his Nakama's Home Country? Kaido knew Whitebeard's Fruit from Rox days, and knew Newgate wouldn't be willing to risk the damage.

Newgate vs Kaido without his Fruit, I'm taking Kaido.

Kaido was the coward: he used Wano as a shield, so Newgate couldn't stop him.

We'll probably get some flashback to this when we see Kaido again and the Whitebeard Remnants/Roger Remnants sail to Wano: Gyaban already foreshadowed this happening.

We know earthquakes make Mt. Fuji explode from right after Luffy beat Kaido, when we cut to Bananuki-san in Udon Prison:

This is what Marco meant: if Newgate fought Kaido in Wano seriously, Mt. Fuji is fucking exploding, and killing a shit ton of people. To a country that was already on the verge of collapse, this could have been it.

Also Pluton/Dawn 20 Year Prophecy stuff

Kaido was going out of wano for expeditions. Yet WB never once intercepted Kaido when he was not in onigashima.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Kaido was going out of wano for expeditions. Yet WB never once intercepted Kaido when he was not in onigashima.

Yeah? And?

Did Newgate have a magical fairy telling him when Kaido would leave Wano?

Kaido is a dragon. He does not need a ship to fly.

That's why Kaido would take King with him to serious ops; because Jack and Queen's dummy thick asses can't fly.

What made Kaido and King so dangerous is their durability, offensive, and movement.

BTW: when was the first instance of Kaido leaving Wano in the manga?

When Newgate was captured.

Still need the Shanks vs Kaido clash, I hope we get that flashback in Wano Act 4.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Whitebeard would lose horribly if he faced Kaido.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Yeah? And?

Did Newgate have a magical fairy telling him when Kaido would leave Wano?

Kaido is a dragon. He does not need a ship to fly.

That's why Kaido would take King with him to serious ops; because Jack and Queen's dummy thick asses can't fly.

What made Kaido and King so dangerous is their durability, offensive, and movement.

BTW: when was the first instance of Kaido leaving Wano in the manga?

When Newgate was captured.

Still need the Shanks vs Kaido clash, I hope we get that flashback in Wano Act 4.

Yonko have informed network yes. WB was keeping tabs on Kaido. Shanks knew Kaido was going after WB for example and ace after BB.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Yonko have informed network yes. WB was keeping tabs on Kaido. Shanks knew Kaido was going after WB for example and ace after BB.

Who did Whitebeard have in Wano stalking Kaido? Shanks is not Whitebeard, Shanks nearly fought Newgate when they met.

An actual name, if there's a character that did that, I'll state I'm wrong. Where is that? What character was giving Newgate updates on Kaido?

Wano is a natural fortress, news barely came out of the country. We don't even know when Whitebeard found out Oden DIED.

Kaido is capable of flying at speeds that could match G4 Snakeman and Gear 5. How is Newgate getting to him? He has to sail, Kaido can fly. Navigating the Grand Line without flight is very difficult. Sailing takes A WHILE, and Newgate has to use Log Poses, like everyone else while doing it. Kaido can just fly way more freely and faster than Whitebeard could sail, that's why Newgate couldn't do anything.

Whitebeard would lose horribly if he faced Kaido.

Prime Whitebeard mid-diffs/high-diffs Prime Kaido.

Kaido is weaker to cutting attacks than punches; we see this from Kaido dodging Zoro's Flying Dragon Blaze that cut off an Onigashima horn. Pre-CoC Zoro in Onigashima is soooooooooo much weaker than Gear 5 Luffy, and Kaido had to dodge; same way Kaido's wind slashing attacks were, on some levels, a greater threat to Luffy's body that his Kanabo, due to Luffy's rubber nature.

Luffy couldn't damage Kaido without Ryuo letting him attack Kaido internally.

Newgate new Oden for years: Whitebeard had Ryuo + Adv CoC Coating + Gura Gura internal damage.

Newgate is just a HORRIBLE match up for Kaido, one of the few people with the true skillset to kill him. IMO, Kaido wasn't really "scared" of Newgate, though; he just realized Whitebeard wouldn't give Kaido the kind of death he wanted.

They're also former Nakama; the Whitebeard Pirates, Beast Pirates, and Big Mom Pirates seemed to pretty much stay away from each other until Luffy messed everything up.

Marineford Whitebeard gets Neg-Diffed by Marineford Kaido, it would be messy. Kaido was coming to help Newgate save Ace, but Shanks stopped it, because he knew Kaido going there would lead to the Marines/WG losing, and the world falling into chaos.

Shanks stopped Kaido from saving Ace, IT'S SO OBVIOUS, and it's going to be so awesome when Oda gets to that part of the plot.

Like, how do you even deal with that? Knowing that Shanks STOPPED Kaido from saving Ace?

How the fuck do Yamato and Luffy handle that? Gonna be fun.

Kaido is such a tragic character

 

[MonsterKaido]

Who did Whitebeard have in Wano stalking Kaido? Shanks is not Whitebeard, Shanks nearly fought Newgate when they met.

An actual name, if there's a character that did that, I'll state I'm wrong. Where is that? What character was giving Newgate updates on Kaido?

Wano is a natural fortress, news barely came out of the country. We don't even know when Whitebeard found out Oden DIED.

Kaido is capable of flying at speeds that could match G4 Snakeman and Gear 5. How is Newgate getting to him? He has to sail, Kaido can fly. Navigating the Grand Line without flight is very difficult. Sailing takes A WHILE, and Newgate has to use Log Poses, like everyone else while doing it. Kaido can just fly way more freely and faster than Whitebeard could sail, that's why Newgate couldn't do anything.


Prime Whitebeard mid-diffs/high-diffs Prime Kaido.

Kaido is weaker to cutting attacks than punches; we see this from Kaido dodging Zoro's Flying Dragon Blaze that cut off an Onigashima horn. Pre-CoC Zoro in Onigashima is soooooooooo much weaker than Gear 5 Luffy, and Kaido had to dodge; same way Kaido's wind slashing attacks were, on some levels, a greater threat to Luffy's body that his Kanabo, due to Luffy's rubber nature.

Luffy couldn't damage Kaido without Ryuo letting him attack Kaido internally.

Newgate new Oden for years: Whitebeard had Ryuo + Adv CoC Coating + Gura Gura internal damage.

Newgate is just a HORRIBLE match up for Kaido, one of the few people with the true skillset to kill him. IMO, Kaido wasn't really "scared" of Newgate, though; he just realized Whitebeard wouldn't give Kaido the kind of death he wanted.

They're also former Nakama; the Whitebeard Pirates, Beast Pirates, and Big Mom Pirates seemed to pretty much stay away from each other until Luffy messed everything up.

Marineford Whitebeard gets Neg-Diffed by Marineford Kaido, it would be messy. Kaido was coming to help Newgate save Ace, but Shanks stopped it, because he knew Kaido going there would lead to the Marines/WG losing, and the world falling into chaos.

Shanks stopped Kaido from saving Ace, IT'S SO OBVIOUS, and it's going to be so awesome when Oda gets to that part of the plot.

Like, how do you even deal with that? Knowing that Shanks STOPPED Kaido from saving Ace?

How the fuck do Yamato and Luffy handle that? Gonna be fun.

Kaido is such a tragic character

In a hypothetical battle between the old version of Whitebeard and Kaido, Kaido would likely win. While Whitebeard's strength and Gura Gura no Mi abilities are formidable, Kaido's immense durability and powerful attacks, especially in hybrid form, would give him a significant edge.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Whitebeard's Strengths:

• Gura Gura no Mi:
  Whitebeard's Devil Fruit allows him to control vibrations, which can bypass physical defenses like Kaido's dragon scales.
• Haki:
  Whitebeard's mastery of Haki, especially Conqueror's Haki, enables him to inflict internal damage and disrupt Kaido's physical defense.
• Experience:
  Whitebeard's vast experience in combat is a valuable asset.
  

Kaido's Strengths:

• Durable Hybrid Form:
  Kaido's hybrid form grants him unparalleled durability and strength, making him incredibly resistant to attacks
• Physical Attacks:
  Kaido can unleash devastating physical attacks, which can be particularly effective against a weakened Whitebeard.
• Reckless and Brutal Combat Style:
  Kaido's aggressive and brutal fighting style can overwhelm even strong opponents.
  

Why Kaido would likely win:
While Whitebeard's Gura Gura no Mi offers unique advantages, Kaido's hybrid form and sheer physical power would likely prove too much for the weakened Whitebeard to overcome. The combination of his durability and strength, coupled with his brutal fighting style, makes him a formidable opponent. The damage he could inflict on a weakened Whitebeard, especially in the long term, would be significant.

In conclusion, while Whitebeard's abilities could make the fight challenging, Kaido's hybrid form and strength advantage would likely lead to his victory in this scenario

 

[MonsterKaido]

Who did Whitebeard have in Wano stalking Kaido? Shanks is not Whitebeard, Shanks nearly fought Newgate when they met.

An actual name, if there's a character that did that, I'll state I'm wrong. Where is that? What character was giving Newgate updates on Kaido?

Wano is a natural fortress, news barely came out of the country. We don't even know when Whitebeard found out Oden DIED.

Kaido is capable of flying at speeds that could match G4 Snakeman and Gear 5. How is Newgate getting to him? He has to sail, Kaido can fly. Navigating the Grand Line without flight is very difficult. Sailing takes A WHILE, and Newgate has to use Log Poses, like everyone else while doing it. Kaido can just fly way more freely and faster than Whitebeard could sail, that's why Newgate couldn't do anything.


Prime Whitebeard mid-diffs/high-diffs Prime Kaido.

Kaido is weaker to cutting attacks than punches; we see this from Kaido dodging Zoro's Flying Dragon Blaze that cut off an Onigashima horn. Pre-CoC Zoro in Onigashima is soooooooooo much weaker than Gear 5 Luffy, and Kaido had to dodge; same way Kaido's wind slashing attacks were, on some levels, a greater threat to Luffy's body that his Kanabo, due to Luffy's rubber nature.

Luffy couldn't damage Kaido without Ryuo letting him attack Kaido internally.

Newgate new Oden for years: Whitebeard had Ryuo + Adv CoC Coating + Gura Gura internal damage.

Newgate is just a HORRIBLE match up for Kaido, one of the few people with the true skillset to kill him. IMO, Kaido wasn't really "scared" of Newgate, though; he just realized Whitebeard wouldn't give Kaido the kind of death he wanted.

They're also former Nakama; the Whitebeard Pirates, Beast Pirates, and Big Mom Pirates seemed to pretty much stay away from each other until Luffy messed everything up.

Marineford Whitebeard gets Neg-Diffed by Marineford Kaido, it would be messy. Kaido was coming to help Newgate save Ace, but Shanks stopped it, because he knew Kaido going there would lead to the Marines/WG losing, and the world falling into chaos.

Shanks stopped Kaido from saving Ace, IT'S SO OBVIOUS, and it's going to be so awesome when Oda gets to that part of the plot.

Like, how do you even deal with that? Knowing that Shanks STOPPED Kaido from saving Ace?

How the fuck do Yamato and Luffy handle that? Gonna be fun.

Kaido is such a tragic character

While there's no explicit confirmation in One Piece that Whitebeard was directly keeping tabs on Kaido, his actions and motivations suggest he was aware of and interested in the strong pirate. Kaido's desire to fight Whitebeard, even leading to his attempt to go to Marineford for that purpose, indicates Whitebeard was a known figure and a powerful force to Kaido.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Kaido's desire for a strong fight:
  Kaido consistently seeks out formidable opponents, and Whitebeard was a prime example. This desire is evident in his actions, including attempting to go to Marineford specifically to challenge Whitebeard.
  
  
• Whitebeard's fame:
  Whitebeard was known as "the Strongest Man," and his power was widely recognized, making him a figure of interest and a challenge to many powerful pirates, including Kaido.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Might be off topic but I'm still surprised Oda never pulled some bull shit like "My real name is Edwar D. Newgate." or something

 

[JoNdule]

He knew he wouldn't win
He waa just using "casualties " as excuse

 

[Zoinks52]

I think it's plausible. I always got the impression that WB would've tried to save Oden if he was alive, but did not avenge him because he didn't want to risk his men and cause destruction.

Since it was mentioned that they only learned of Oden's death years after he died.

In MF, Ace was alive enough to be saved, plus WB did make it clear to his men that they could leave if they wanted.

Plus the WG generally wants the Yonkos around for stability, and their bigger priority was slaying Ace publicly to demoralize pirates.

Also since Old WB vs Kaido is being discussed, my take is that Kaido wins but gets roughed up a bit. WB will die but not before making Kaido bleed and making him stunned like he did to Akainu.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Might be off topic but I'm still surprised Oda never pulled some bull shit like "My real name is Edwar D. Newgate." or something

Edd War D. Newgate

 

[Erkan12]

I just realized this: Whitebeard is smart, he knows what his Fruit does. I believe he also had some knowledge of the prophecies regarding the Dawn: he was so close to Roger, and Oden. Newgate had to have triggered at least volcano over the years with his earthquakes. Why on earth would he want to cause a volcanic eruption in his Nakama's Home Country? Kaido knew Whitebeard's Fruit from Rox days, and knew Newgate wouldn't be willing to risk the damage.

Newgate vs Kaido without his Fruit, I'm taking Kaido.

Kaido was the coward: he used Wano as a shield, so Newgate couldn't stop him.

We'll probably get some flashback to this when we see Kaido again and the Whitebeard Remnants/Roger Remnants sail to Wano: Gyaban already foreshadowed this happening.

We know earthquakes make Mt. Fuji explode from right after Luffy beat Kaido, when we cut to Bananuki-san in Udon Prison:

This is what Marco meant: if Newgate fought Kaido in Wano seriously, Mt. Fuji is fucking exploding, and killing a shit ton of people. To a country that was already on the verge of collapse, this could have been it.

Also Pluton/Dawn 20 Year Prophecy stuff

I wonder how Oda will open the borders of Wano, is he going to use Teach's Quake or something else like Poseidon?

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I wonder how Oda will open the borders of Wano, is he going to use Teach's Quake or something else like Poseidon?

There are a variety of aspects in play here:
1. Teach Gura Gura. This is definitely happening, on some level, and will probably trigger another volcanic eruption, since the earthquake from Big Mom's bomb hitting the Magma at the bottom of Wano cause a small eruption

2. Big Mom's Onigashima Bombs. There were four big ones, as well as other munitions. Linlin blew up one big bomb by punching it: another smaller bomb fell with her, and exploded.

There still should be three Big Bombs left. Jack can swim and get them out of Onigashima, which is parked near the submerged ruins of Ancient Wano, at the bottom of the country. These can do something.

3. Zunesha. Momo told Zunesha to go back: IMO, Zunesha is going to open the borders in the future.

4. Uranus could destroy the Borders: Imu has the Mother Flame at Egghead and York. No reason to worry about fuel. IMO Shamrock will go to Wano for Act 4: his Fruit is Cerberus, the guard dog of Pluto, the God inspiring Pluton. The first character in the series to have a Sword that ate a Devil Fruit was Spandam with Funkfried. Shamrock is the second. Spandam's goal was to find Pluton via Robin; and Robin's getting a lot of focus right now.

5. Crocodile's Sand Fruit can turn the Borders into sand. Would take a bit.

6. Akainu could do it, but it would take him a bit.

7. Garp.

8. Mihawk.

I think the Wano Act 4 Birdcage will be "Oh no, Mt. Fuji is going to explode and destroy the country." Oden lifted the country up on his back: Momo's going to make a lot of Flame Clouds. So, they'll need to destroy the borders, before the eruption happens... or everyone fighting on Wano for Pluton will die in a volcanic eruption.

 

[nik87]

Whitebeard simply knew that he cant beat the man that even Kozuki Oden couldn't beat.
>If I cant beat him, nobody else will be able to either for a long time

 

[BlackLegFring]

One would expect that the man of 100 hostages will use hostages. WB’s hands were tied.

The real reason is that Oda hadn’t sorted out all these plot points when he was writing Marineford. That’s why you have stupidity like Oden’s 5 year dance.
That idiot was dancing for over twice as long as Luffy’s entire pirate career, lmao!