Questions & Mysteries Who do you think is closest to inheriting Oden's will
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It is not about character. It is about will. Sanji portrays no will closer to Oden's. At least Zoro is now focused about saving Wano for Wano's sake.
But currently, it is Yamato who actually understands the spirit of Oden's will. Luffy wants to do it for reasons completely his own (i.e. helping out his friends - Momonusuke and Tama). Zoro wants to do it for Yasuie and Hiyori (may be a bit of Momonusuke).
Only Yamato wants to do it for Oden.
But currently, it is Yamato who actually understands the spirit of Oden's will. Luffy wants to do it for reasons completely his own (i.e. helping out his friends - Momonusuke and Tama). Zoro wants to do it for Yasuie and Hiyori (may be a bit of Momonusuke).
Only Yamato wants to do it for Oden.
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Success doesn't equal to better. Yamato lacks Oden's traits. Oden, for all his flaws, was able to make an entire country fall in love with him through his sacrifice
Yamato can't even convince her crew. Can she develop and get better? May be. But as it stands, Yamato is not a better Oden.
And same goes for Hiyori.
Yamato can't even convince her crew. Can she develop and get better? May be. But as it stands, Yamato is not a better Oden.
And same goes for Hiyori.
YES!!!!!!
As I recall Kawamatsu is the one that says she shouldnt give her sword away
The impass im at is you are choosing to further elaborate on one quote regarding taming enma, saying that the sword was made for oden and after he died oden and hiyori chose not to give away enma
then you're also choosing not to elaborate on a similar quote to hiyori, at take that quote word for word
My point is, it's a 2 way street, you cant pick and choose which quotes in the manga you do and dont want to take at it's word.
As I recall Kawamatsu is the one that says she shouldnt give her sword away
The impass im at is you are choosing to further elaborate on one quote regarding taming enma, saying that the sword was made for oden and after he died oden and hiyori chose not to give away enma
then you're also choosing not to elaborate on a similar quote to hiyori, at take that quote word for word
My point is, it's a 2 way street, you cant pick and choose which quotes in the manga you do and dont want to take at it's word.
That's my point, of picking and choosing what quotes you feel like aren't at it's word
She never once stated she would never or wouldn't have given it up in the 20 years she's had it
From Viz
Ch 953
Hiyori: "Zoro if your sword truly is the legendary shusui, please return it to wano.... I will give you another in return, the katana I received from my late father, The word is called enma... it is a legendary katana, the only one to have ever wounded kaido"
Ch 954
"My Father Kozuki Oden... was a swordsman who wielded two full size swords... on the day before his execution he entrusted one of his swords to my brother and one to me...
"Please allow Shusui to be returned to it's rightful place"
My opinion is she didnt believe to give zoro the sword ONLY because she wanted shusui to be returned to wano.
But it is clearly stated that Oden was the only one to EVER tame Enma
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Personally I wish Momo gave this to Zoro and then said, Im going to defeat you and take my sword back.
But I dont think anyone will, IMO
She never once stated she would never or wouldn't have given it up in the 20 years she's had it
From Viz
Ch 953
Hiyori: "Zoro if your sword truly is the legendary shusui, please return it to wano.... I will give you another in return, the katana I received from my late father, The word is called enma... it is a legendary katana, the only one to have ever wounded kaido"
Ch 954
"My Father Kozuki Oden... was a swordsman who wielded two full size swords... on the day before his execution he entrusted one of his swords to my brother and one to me...
"Please allow Shusui to be returned to it's rightful place"
My opinion is she didnt believe to give zoro the sword ONLY because she wanted shusui to be returned to wano.
But it is clearly stated that Oden was the only one to EVER tame Enma
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Personally I wish Momo gave this to Zoro and then said, Im going to defeat you and take my sword back.
But I dont think anyone will, IMO
Luffy is inhering Roger's will and Zoro Ryuma's. The answer is Law.
This entire thing of taking down Kaido was his idea. It's not a coincidence his right hand is Bepo, a mink.
These guys are Oden's brothers, and when Inu/Neko escaped, they surely let Zou of what happened in Wano.
This wasn't about Doflamingo alone though. He knew Kaido's territory, what his army was composed of, and broke down the odds to 30%. He'd done a lot of research about Kaido, and told Doffy he "broke the gears" of the old era.
The whole adventure started off when Law cut down Kinemon, and trapped him until the Straw Hats arrived:
And then he gathered all the Samurai under his command.
Remember, Oden didn't want the Scabbards following him at first either:
By fate again, they ended following him even in Wano
None of this would have happened with Law. Defeating Kaido was always his idea, and I think Shinobu doubting his loyalty will play a HUGE role later:
This is similar to people doubting Oden as the saviour as well, and Shinobu was the one who quenched the doubt.
Now she's in the position who is doubting the man who concocted the plan to beat Kaido, and the guy is currently commanding the Scabbards.
This entire thing of taking down Kaido was his idea. It's not a coincidence his right hand is Bepo, a mink.
These guys are Oden's brothers, and when Inu/Neko escaped, they surely let Zou of what happened in Wano.
This wasn't about Doflamingo alone though. He knew Kaido's territory, what his army was composed of, and broke down the odds to 30%. He'd done a lot of research about Kaido, and told Doffy he "broke the gears" of the old era.
The whole adventure started off when Law cut down Kinemon, and trapped him until the Straw Hats arrived:
And then he gathered all the Samurai under his command.
Remember, Oden didn't want the Scabbards following him at first either:
By fate again, they ended following him even in Wano
None of this would have happened with Law. Defeating Kaido was always his idea, and I think Shinobu doubting his loyalty will play a HUGE role later:
This is similar to people doubting Oden as the saviour as well, and Shinobu was the one who quenched the doubt.
Now she's in the position who is doubting the man who concocted the plan to beat Kaido, and the guy is currently commanding the Scabbards.
Luffy is inhering Roger's will and Zoro Ryuma's. The answer is Law.
This entire thing of taking down Kaido was his idea. It's not a coincidence his right hand is Bepo, a mink.
These guys are Oden's brothers, and when Inu/Neko escaped, they surely let Zou of what happened in Wano.
This wasn't about Doflamingo alone though. He knew Kaido's territory, what his army was composed of, and broke down the odds to 30%. He'd done a lot of research about Kaido, and told Doffy he "broke the gears" of the old era.
The whole adventure started off when Law cut down Kinemon, and trapped him until the Straw Hats arrived:
And then he gathered all the Samurai under his command.
Remember, Oden didn't want the Scabbards following him at first either:
By fate again, they ended following him even in Wano
None of this would have happened with Law. Defeating Kaido was always his idea, and I think Shinobu doubting his loyalty will play a HUGE role later:
This is similar to people doubting Oden as the saviour as well, and Shinobu was the one who quenched the doubt.
Now she's in the position who is doubting the man who concocted the plan to beat Kaido, and the guy is currently commanding the Scabbards.
This entire thing of taking down Kaido was his idea. It's not a coincidence his right hand is Bepo, a mink.
These guys are Oden's brothers, and when Inu/Neko escaped, they surely let Zou of what happened in Wano.
This wasn't about Doflamingo alone though. He knew Kaido's territory, what his army was composed of, and broke down the odds to 30%. He'd done a lot of research about Kaido, and told Doffy he "broke the gears" of the old era.
The whole adventure started off when Law cut down Kinemon, and trapped him until the Straw Hats arrived:
And then he gathered all the Samurai under his command.
Remember, Oden didn't want the Scabbards following him at first either:
By fate again, they ended following him even in Wano
None of this would have happened with Law. Defeating Kaido was always his idea, and I think Shinobu doubting his loyalty will play a HUGE role later:
This is similar to people doubting Oden as the saviour as well, and Shinobu was the one who quenched the doubt.
Now she's in the position who is doubting the man who concocted the plan to beat Kaido, and the guy is currently commanding the Scabbards.
I do believe the ones that were on Laws ship are going to join him and also Cat Viper and Izo will join Law as well IMO