Speculations Who inherited Davy's will was not Teach but Loki.

[Shyneseru]

Use your brain.

Just because he acts like he's representing Xebec's ideals doesn't mean he truly is.
He's right to say that Xebec being in Loki's flashback is not by chance. Loki and Blackbeard share the same goal but didn't take the same path. I think that if someone asked Loki to give up his DF so that his father would still be alive he would, he didn't take it for his goals of destroying the world, he probably had no other choice but to eat it. Blackbeard would have done anything to get the Yami, and I'm pretty sure he would have killed Harald if he had a chance to get that DF.

 

[soupongo]

Just because he acts like he's representing Xebec's ideals doesn't mean he truly is.
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When did Blackbeard ¨act¨ like anything? Loki is the fanboy who wanted to join Xebecs crew here lmao, Blackbeard doesn´t even talk about him.

Loki and Blackbeard.

Again, Blackbeard wants to be the King of the world like Harald. Loki has not even shown interest in what his dad did, which is being the king of Elbaf, let alone the world.

. Blackbeard would have done anything to get the Yami, and I'm pretty sure he would have killed Harald if he had a chance to get that DF.

In what context would Loki have been forced to eat the fruit though? That part doesn´t make sense, at least to me.

 

[Shyneseru]

When did Blackbeard ¨act¨ like anything? Loki is the fanboy who wanted to join Xebecs crew here lmao, Blackbeard doesn´t even talk about him.

Again, Blackbeard wants to be the King of the world like Harald. Loki has not even shown interest in what his dad did, which is being the king of Elbaf, let alone the world.

In what context would Loki have been forced to eat the fruit though? That part doesn´t make sense, at least to me.

What are we doing ? What's the point of arguing over something that’s so in your face by Oda ? Like I'm seriously asking ? It’s not even a theory at this point it’s literally written in the manga, in black and white. We're artificialy creating disagreements or what ?

Loki is clearly following Xebec's path, following someone's path doesn’t mean you are going to be his clone or have the same ideals. It’s possible he misunderstood what Rocks's goal was since he was a child when Xebec visited Elbalh, but he's still clearly following it in his way.
Luffy is following Roger's path, yet they are both completly different in personnality and goal as we saw in the flashbacks.

 

[soupongo]

What are we doing ? What's the point of arguing over something that’s so in your face by Oda ? Like I'm seriously asking ? It’s not even a theory at this point it’s literally written in the manga, in black and white. We're artificialy creating disagreements or what ?

Loki is clearly following Xebec's path, following someone's path doesn’t mean you are going to be his clone or have the same ideals. It’s possible he misunderstood what Rocks's goal was since he was a child when Xebec visited Elbalh, but he's still clearly following it in his way.
Luffy is following Roger's path, yet they are both completly different in personnality and goal as we saw in the flashbacks.

What he said as a kid doesn´t matter, what matters is what adult Loki said is that he wants to destroy the world, which to be fair, probably is a reference to Ragnarok.

What Teach and Xebec want is different, they want to literally rule the world. What Van Aguar said is not a reference to Imu, it´s literally just restating the crews intentions of taking over the world,which Imu currently controls.

 

[Shyneseru]

What he said as a kid doesn´t matter, what matters is what adult Loki said is that he wants to destroy the world, which to be fair, probably is a reference to Ragnarok.

What Teach and Xebec want is different, they want to literally rule the world. What Van Aguar said is not a reference to Imu, it´s literally just restating the crews intentions of taking over the world,which Imu currently controls.

You're basically saying " I don’t care about what Oda wrote I'm just gonna read the manga like a dictionnary and not interpret and deduct anything because the world means planet Earth and we've never seen it talk haven't we".

 

[soupongo]

You're basically saying " I don’t care about what Oda wrote I'm just gonna read the manga like a dictionnary and not interpret and deduct anything because the world means planet Earth and we've never seen it talk haven't we".

Because assuming the world means Imu in literally every single context it´s used is retarded, lol?

Do you think Blackbeard and Xebec want to personally rule over Imu? Is van telling Saturn that he wants ¨ïmu¨ out of his stunts? That doesn´t even make sense.

 

[vikas]

People still thinking Blackbeard is relevant? Bro luffys mom would be a Davy clan member, trust me.

 

[Shyneseru]

Because assuming the world means Imu in literally every single context it´s used is retarded, lol?

Do you think Blackbeard and Xebec want to personally rule over Imu? Is van telling Saturn that he wants ¨ïmu¨ out of his stunts? That doesn´t even make sense.

When did I say " The world " means Imu ??? You're making up things just to create an artificial debate again. I shared the panel because all of them have the same theme. I said not everything has to be taken literally, which means it can mean both Imu, the world itself as a place, or anything else like the World government as a whole. This isn’t a bunch of words taken out of pages that are separated by 400 chapters, this is the SAME flashback. Like around 10 chapters. Except for the Van Augur one.

And by the way, " It doesn’t matter what Loki thought as a kid " ????? This whole manga is based on the dream Luffy had as a kid ? Are we having a seizure here ?

The All blue is Sanji's dream as a kid. Franky's dream aswell, Chopper, Zoro, Robin and I can go on. Ace, Sabo. Even when we saw the mural Ripley said " It’s probably a Child’s dream " the entire story is around that.


Why am I even debating with a troll.

 

[soupongo]

When did I say " The world " means Imu ??? You're making up things just to create an artificial debate again. I shared the panel because all of them have the same theme. I said not everything has to be taken literally, which means it can mean both Imu, the world itself as a place, or anything else like the World government as a whole. This isn’t a bunch of words taken out of pages that are separated by 400 chapters, this is the SAME flashback. Like around 10 chapters. Except for the Van Augur one.

You´re the one who was accusing me of reading the manga like the dictionary. Again, taken literally or not, Loki has an objective that´s different then Teach and Xebecs, which is literally the same thing. They want to rule the world, Loki wants to destroy it. It can be similar, but it´s not the same. So no, you cannot say Loki inherited Xebecs will.

And by the way, " It doesn’t matter what Loki thought as a kid " ????? This whole manga is based on the dream Luffy had as a kid ? Are we having a seizure here ?

Loki is much older then Luffy. It´s not my fault that he went from wanting to rule the world like Xebec to wanting to destroy it as an adult, and thinking he´s the sun god or whatever.

 

[SoufianeKh]

He never said you're not the man you think you are, case closed.

He said you are not the person that Roger waiting for. Who is the person that Roger waiting for is the person that will take the world to a fight that the government afraid of it. So it's Luffy not Blackbeard or anyone else

 

[dudu]

You are wrong
Loki's goal is Rocks, not Davy Jones
Loki actually wants to become someone like Rocks
Teach is Davy Jones himself
For example, Yamato wants to become Oden, but Momo has Oden's body and genetics

Rock want to be Davy Jones, Loki want to be like Rock. Its indirectly related. Loki also interpret Nika as destructor not liberator. Its opposed of Luffy

Bro Xebec and Eiris keep shoving in your face that Davy clan (as in Teach) will have to survive at all costs

Loki may too be a Davy Jones believer but why vomoletely disregard Teach whose other name is Davy D Teach?

Because Teach doesnt understand whats Davy's promise.

You´re the one who was accusing me of reading the manga like the dictionary. Again, taken literally or not, Loki has an objective that´s different then Teach and Xebecs, which is literally the same thing. They want to rule the world, Loki wants to destroy it. It can be similar, but it´s not the same. So no, you cannot say Loki inherited Xebecs will.

Loki is much older then Luffy. It´s not my fault that he went from wanting to rule the world like Xebec to wanting to destroy it as an adult, and thinking he´s the sun god or whatever.

Loki still regret he is born in wrong era. Its clear he still admire Xebec, want to be in his crew even after he was adult. When talking with Jarul, he also hold a grudge against World Goverment because they are behind Xebec's death.

It doesnt make sense, Loki want to be in ship with someone, if he is not share same ideology and moral.

Teach who is still vague about his end goal. He just share Davy's bloodline, but doesnt mean he share same will as his father. I doubt Teach also understand about Davy Jones' promise too.

Bloodline can be erased, but its the will that cant be erased at all. Thats why Ace despite being biological son of Roger, his dream doesnt align with Roger. Only Luffy's dream is aligned with Roger's dream.

I bet you misunderstood Loki. I agreed with Shyneserru, Loki's dream didnt always has literal meaning. Bringing world to destruction, can be to create new era. Even in Marvel, Loki doesnt always has the goal with literal meaning

 

[D. Plant]

20 WG Founders are like 20 Drum Island Doctors,
They were 20 Special People who chose to serve under Someone (Ruler of AK Probably, their Wapol)
Only Two were also Special, but Refused to follow such Ruler,
They were Joy Boy & Davy Jones, (Similar to Hiriluk & Kureha), that's why They were considered Pirates,

Joy Boy ended up facing 20 Founders & their Leader & his Story became known as Laugh Tale (Similar to Hiriluk's Snowy Tale)
While Davy Jones proved himself to be Best out of these 22, and the One who deserves to Lead those 20 (Similar to Kureha being Best Doctor)

Luffy might be New Joy Boy, and Blackbeard is New Xebec,
But there is a Chopper in Void Century, Someone who is meant to Succeed "Both" Joy Boy & Xebec Combined, not Separately,
And it's probably an Ancient Giant,

It's a coincidence that Rightful King of Elbaph says He is Sun God, have Ancient Giant Blood & Big Fan of Blackbeard's Father?
Loki is the one who Inherited Will that's gonna Replace Imu

But in the end Chopper joined Luffy's crew and Luffy can sense Loki is a good guy tho.

 

[soupongo]

Rock want to be Davy Jones, Loki want to be like Rock. Its indirectly related. Loki also interpret Nika as destructor not liberator. Its opposed of Luffy


Because Teach doesnt understand whats Davy's promise.

Rocks wants to be the king of the world like Davy Jones(or he at least believes that Davy was the king of the world), he does not want to be the guy in specific, from my understanding.

Because Teach doesnt understand whats Davy's promise.

Based on what? This seems like just an assumption, to me.

Loki still regret he is born in wrong era. Its clear he still admire Xebec, want to be in his crew even after he was adult. When talking with Jarul, he also hold a grudge against World Goverment because they are behind Xebec's death.

It doesnt make sense, Loki want to be in ship with someone, if he is not share same ideology and moral.

This all applies to Kaido, WB and BM. Who all wanted to follow Xebec, dislike the government, respected the man in certain ways, etc. Xebec was a very charming and strong guy who people naturally wanted to follow. None of them inherited his will to rule the world, only Blackbeard did.
Whitebeard: Have a family
Kaido: Start a world war, die in a way that will be remembered
Big Mom: End racism in a paradise controlled by her
Loki:¨destroy¨ the world
Teach and Xebec: Rule the world
This is simple.

Bloodline can be erased, but its the will that cant be erased at all. Thats why Ace despite being biological son of Roger, his dream doesnt align with Roger. Only Luffy's dream is aligned with Roger's dream.

I don´t disagree that bloodline and will don´t have to be related, but in this case it is. We have a similar situation with Luffy and Roger, if you want I can grab panels but we have similar scenes for both.

Luffy and Roger telling their dream to their closest friends, Ace and Sabo, and WB and Oden in Rogers case.


Then we have Blackbeard and Xebec telling their dream to characters they want to ally with, Harald and Ace

I bet you misunderstood Loki. I agreed with Shyneserru, Loki's dream didnt always has literal meaning. Bringing world to destruction, can be to create new era. Even in Marvel, Loki doesnt always has the goal with literal meaning

Why does it matter if it´s literal or not if it´s different still? I do agree though, him saying he wants to end the world is a reference to the norse idea of Ragnarok, probably. That wasn´t Xebecs goal though, it just shows Loki has more going for him

 

[dudu]

Rocks wants to be the king of the world like Davy Jones(or he at least believes that Davy was the king of the world), he does not want to be the guy in specific, from my understanding.

Based on what? This seems like just an assumption, to me.

He never meet other Davy, the promise of Davy Jones is passed each generations in God Valley. Teach is not grown in God Valley.

This all applies to Kaido, WB and BM. Who all wanted to follow Xebec, dislike the government, respected the man in certain ways, etc. Xebec was a very charming and strong guy who people naturally wanted to follow. None of them inherited his will to rule the world, only Blackbeard did.
Whitebeard: Have a family
Kaido: Start a world war, die in a way that will be remembered
Big Mom: End racism in a paradise controlled by her
Loki:¨destroy¨ the world
Teach and Xebec: Rule the world
This is simple.

Its not. Some of Rock's crew follow Rock because of Davy Game. The other just want of treasure. The other have their own personal dream. So many time, Rock Pirates is said easily to break up.

I don´t disagree that bloodline and will don´t have to be related, but in this case it is. We have a similar situation with Luffy and Roger, if you want I can grab panels but we have similar scenes for both.

Luffy and Roger telling their dream to their closest friends, Ace and Sabo, and WB and Oden in Rogers case.


Then we have Blackbeard and Xebec telling their dream to characters they want to ally with, Harald and Ace


Why does it matter if it´s literal or not if it´s different still? I do agree though, him saying he wants to end the world is a reference to the norse idea of Ragnarok, probably. That wasn´t Xebecs goal though, it just shows Loki has more going for him

Roger friend with Garp, Luffy grand son of Garp, Ace fall
Xebec friend with Harald, Loki son of Harald, Teach fall

Isnt it looking pararael?

Teach is opposite of Ace not Luffy, they are represent darkness and light, they both have bad childhood because of their own father.

 

[Salah WG]

But in the end Chopper joined Luffy's crew and Luffy can sense Loki is a good guy tho.

I didn't say Loki is a Bad Guy,
What I meant is that Story of Joy Boy & Davy Jones gonna have a Third Character who was Inspired by both of them,
Even entire One Piece started similartly, as Romance Dawn Arc was about Luffy/Zoro + Koby,
Same Concept was repeated with them & Momo in Wano Saga (Which covers entire Post-TS before Endgame),
And many other Pre-TS Arcs & Flashbacks in Smaller Scale, (Such as Ace being both Child of Roger/WB)

Oda isn't trying to Hide Joy Boy & Davy Jones, He is instead keeping the one who Trained under them both as a Mystery,
That Character is True Savior of Ancient Kingdom,

So Luffy is New Joy Boy and Blackbeard is New Davy,
But imo it's Loki who Inherited Will of that Third Character,

If it's Copy-Paste of Drum Island Story, then just like Hiriluk created a Treasure which Kureha Activated, and it was for Chopper to Witness,
Then imo, One Piece Treasure must be Re-Created by Luffy, Activated by Blackbeard & Witnessed/Gifted to Loki,

 

[Albino 👑]

 

[thisnewtechnique]

. Loki and Blackbeard share the same goal

Wrong.

 

[Shyneseru]

Wrong.

Why the fuck did you remove the second part of this sentence, are you Trump or what lol.

 

[soupongo]

He never meet other Davy, the promise of Davy Jones is passed each generations in God Valley. Teach is not grown in God Valley.
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He had his mom, who grew close with the other davys and was accepted into their culture.

Its not. Some of Rock's crew follow Rock because of Davy Game. The other just want of treasure. The other have their own personal dream. So many time, Rock Pirates is said easily to break up.

They originally joined because of the davy game, but Kaido, BM and WB remained loyal until he was DR´d, even when other crew members decided to ditch him. They genunely respected him, and were shown to be shocked at him attacking them last chap

Roger friend with Garp, Luffy grand son of Garp, Ace fall
Xebec friend with Harald, Loki son of Harald, Teach fall

Isnt it looking pararael?

Teach is opposite of Ace not Luffy, they are represent darkness and light, they both have bad childhood because of their own father.

Again, Ace did not share his fathers dream, Teach does. This is literally in the manga.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

I also think that it is Loki who inherited Davy D. Jones' will...

BB might think that it is him who inherited that will or Joyboy's...