Who is faster King or RS Niji?

[ConquistadoR]

So Izo blitzed King?

So Neko blitzed Kaidou?

Another insult so how much butthurt are you? Using King kicking Big Mom ship for power scaling and has the nerve to call my argument utter dogshit.

Just like Big Mom and her crews got caught off guard by King.

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King got caught offguard when trying to focus on multiple people (9) at once just like Kaidou did.

And this isn't even his best speed feat lol. Dude was FTE to Zoro. That alone is better than anything trashcans like Niji have ever shown.

Funny how you use one anti feat which talks about reaction speeds to then compare that with his movement speed - two completely different things in the first place - with that Izou statement.

consistently being blizted in a 2-1 fight

By your logic, Vice Admiral Momonga blitzed Marco in Marineford.

There's a difference when they are using their Zoan wings, which is where their Zoan-based flight mainly comes from to then draw conclusions about King getting blitzed apparently. When Marco and Durability mode King essentially have the same speed portrayal.

 

[Rombex]

And this isn't even his best speed feat lol. Dude was FTE to Zoro. That alone is better than anything trashcans like Niji have ever shown.

Funny how you use one anti feat which talks about reaction speeds to then compare that with his movement speed - two completely different things in the first place - with that Izou statement.

Izo was fast enough to intercept King's movement speed. If King was so fast, he should have finished his attack on 1 of the scabbard before Izo intercepted him.

The panel you showed the ship has already been kicked when Big Mom realized it was King. It was cheapshot.

So Neko blitzed Kaidou?

If King blitzed Big Mom and her whole crews then yeah by your argument Nekomamushi blitzed Kaido. It was your argument though.

Sanji and Zoro are shown to have comparable reaction speed and combat speed.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Izo was fast enough to intercept King's movement speed. If King was so fast, he should have finished his attack on 1 of the scabbard before Izo intercepted him.

Movement speed while drawing a sword? Do you even understand what movement speed is?

The panel you showed the ship has already been kicked when Big Mom realized it was King. It was cheapshot.

And you can't read manga as well. Not a surprise at this point but you read it top-to-bottom, right-to-left.

Sanji and Zoro are shown to have comparable reaction speed and combat speed.

Once again, they are shown to have enough reactions to dodge Queen's lasers effortlessly. Doesn't mean their reactions and combat speeds are equal lmao.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

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By your logic, Vice Admiral Momonga blitzed Marco in Marineford.

Yep King was totally caught by surprise, despite the number advantage....

There's a difference when they are using their Zoan wings, which is where their Zoan-based flight mainly comes from to then draw conclusions about King getting blitzed apparently. When Marco and Durability mode King essentially have the same speed portrayal.

Headcanon, all we actually do know canonical. Is King, a character portray as significantly slower then another YC(Marco). While having a matchup advantage he’s still blizted multiple times.

At no problem was it ever implied any of ur BS, makes him suddenly as fast as Marco. An his speed mode upgrade so marginal the character that notes he’s increased in speed. Can still react to him, it only became slightly more difficult to tag him.

dude a slow poke in normal form, in speed mode he’s average high tier at best.

 

[Sasparan]

I guess RS Niji is stronger idk.

 

[Rombex]

Movement speed while drawing a sword? Do you even understand what movement speed is?

King tried to attack 1 of the scabbard. It was his movement speed. His movement speed was not fast enough to attack the scabbard before Izo intercepted him.

And you can't read manga as well. Not a surprise at this point but you read it top-to-bottom, right-to-left.

The ship was tilted already before Big Mom realized it was King. King kicked the ship then Big Mom noticed it was King. It was cheapshot. Not a surprise from someone who used kicking a ship as speed argument. You are one last to talk.

Once again, they are shown to have enough reactions to dodge Queen's lasers effortlessly. Doesn't mean their reactions and combat speeds are equal lmao.

Both reacted at the same time. Both moved at the same time. I don't know you hate Sanji so much scaling him way slower than Zoro.

 

[Thabeast]

RS Niji is a turtle compared to Speed form King.

 

[ConquistadoR]

@Trafalgar_D_Law

Yep King was totally caught by surprise, despite the number advantage....

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The argument was about Marco being slow enough to get caught there because he wasn't using his Zoan flight and was running on the ground.

Headcanon, all we actually do know canonical. Is King, a character portray as significantly slower then another YC(Marco). While having a matchup advantage he’s still blizted multiple times.

King in Base form with flames on? Sure.

You're seriously telling me that it's headcanon to assume that Base King will fly as fast as his Zoan Pteranodon flight? That's like saying Marco running will be as fast as his Zoan mode flight. Or Law running will be as fast as his Chambres teleport.

At no problem was it ever implied any of ur BS, makes him suddenly as fast as Marco. An his speed mode upgrade so marginal the character that notes he’s increased in speed. Can still react to him, it only became slightly more difficult to tag him.

dude a slow poke in normal form, in speed mode he’s average high tier at best.

My "BS" is that Zoan flight is where he primarily derives his movement speed from. The speed mode boosts it even further, not hard to understand.

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King tried to attack 1 of the scabbard. It was his movement speed. His movement speed was not fast enough to attack the scabbard before Izo intercepted him.

The ship was tilted already before Big Mom realized it was King. Kick kicked the ship then Big Mom noticed it was cheapshot. Not a surprise from someone who used kicking a ship as speed argument. You are one last to talk.

How to read manga double page spreads 101

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Besides, your argument about tilt is flawed. Oda showed the ship being even more titled in another panel post the actual kick.

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Both reacted at the same time. Both moved at the same time. I don't know you hate Sanji so much scaling him was slower than Zoro.

What? When did I ever say he's slower?

Sanji is faster in movement speed/mobility and that's not even debatable. Reaction speeds are close though.

 

[Rombex]

If his movement speed was fast enough then he should successfully attacked the scabbard before izo intercepted him.

How to read manga double page spreads 101

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Besides, your argument about tilt is flawed. Oda showed the ship being even more titled in another panel post the actual kick.

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Flawed argument. Top panel the ship was tilted already. King already kicked the ship. And nowhere in the panels you showed King kicked Big Mom ship after the ship was tilted.

Edit: The ship was in tilted position. It was hard for Big Mom to attack in that position so that doesn't imply that King was that fast.

What? When did I ever say he's slower?

Sanji is faster in movement speed/mobility and that's not even debatable. Reaction speeds are close though.

Sanji movement speed was not fast enough to attack Niji before base Niji moved past behind him. Zoro movement speed was fast enough to prevent King from attacking him from behind when he was looking down.

Base Niji>Speed mode King in speed.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

@Trafalgar_D_Law

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The argument was about Marco being slow enough to get caught there because he wasn't using his Zoan flight and was running on the ground.

which wasn’t the context at all.... It’s implied he’s caught mainly as a result of being off guard. Not this random shit “u made up”. No indications were given, anything would be different if those thing were in use.

King in Base form with flames on? Sure.

If u know this much, then u obviously know he’s not that fast overall. He’s Basic high tier lvl, at max speed.

His flame off mode, was still something Zoro could deal with. It’s not a massive speed boost. It’s a marginal one.

You're seriously telling me that it's headcanon to assume that Base King will fly as fast as his Zoan Pteranodon flight? That's like saying Marco running will be as fast as his Zoan mode flight. Or Law running will be as fast as his Chambres teleport.


My "BS" is that Zoan flight is where he primarily derives his movement speed from. The speed mode boosts it even further, not hard to understand.

Never implied it was hard to understand. I told u it was “headcanon”.

The entire bolds u making shit up to fit into ur narrative. Nowhere is it implied his Zoan wings make him faster, or are better for flying.

anyway as the topic a comparison. Niji being faster then Sanji, someone easily scaled to average high tier speed, Before PUs. Is 100% faster then flame on King, an at the least comparable to flame off.

 

[Peroroncino]

Even defense mode king is faster

 

[ConquistadoR]

The entire bolds u making shit up to fit into ur narrative. Nowhere is it implied his Zoan wings make him faster, or are better for flying.

which wasn’t the context at all.... It’s implied he’s caught mainly as a result of being off guard. Not this random shit “u made up”. No indications were given, anything would be different if those thing were in use.

What is even this argument?

Is Base Page One just as strong as Hybrid Page One? Is Base Luffy as fast as Boundman Luffy in terms of movement speed? Why does King even use the Zoan form then? What's the point of transformations itself?

Zoan Flame on King was portrayed comparable and given the same speed feat as Marco (with Zoan wings). Not Base King.

Flawed argument. Top panel the ship was tilted already. King already kicked the ship. And nowhere in the panels you showed King kicked Big Mom ship after the ship was tilted.

Edit: The ship was in tilted position. It was hard for Big Mom to attack in that position so that doesn't imply that King was that fast.

The fuck is this then with the impact marks and the SFX? You blind as well?

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Not even gonna bother with the other nonsense lmao. Please go ahead with your movement speed = reaction speed based scaling.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

Even defense mode king is faster

Nope, guys a legit slow poke.

Can anybody imagine Marco blitzing Sanji... Now can u imagine him blitzing Sanji, With another Sanji lvl character helping him at that.... virtually impossible.

Niji faster then Sanji. Hence faster then the slow poke

 

[ConquistadoR]

Can anybody imagine Marco blitzing Sanji...

Already happened in the canon in chapter 1022.

 

[Rombex]

The fuck is this then with the impact marks and the SFX? You blind as well?

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Not even gonna bother with the other nonsense lmao. Please go ahead with your movement speed = reaction speed based scaling.

King kicked the ship when it was already in tilted position. That's not speed feat for King. Big Mom can't launch counter attack from that position.

If Niji blitzed Sanji, he can blitz Zoro unlike King.

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

What is even this argument?

it’s called following the source material.

Is Base Page One just as strong as Hybrid Page One? Is Base Luffy as fast as Boundman Luffy in terms of movement speed? Why does King even use the Zoan form then? What's the point of transformations itself?

Let’s not pay 20 stupid questions.

Fact remains everything u said “made up”. Nothing about Marco situation ever implies, he’s caught because of the random shit u claim. Neither is there any indication for shit about King.

Zoan Flame on King was portrayed comparable and given the same speed feat as Marco (with Zoan wings). Not Base King.

more weird shit, anyway canonical He portrayed as someone Marco can consistently blizt. No logical reason to even do that, if both characters are meant to be equally fast. Ur reaching to create fake narratives that dnt exist.

King=Marco in speed so far away from the manga I dnt know what to tell u.

His speed mode a marginal speed increase. Yet there’s already a noticeable difference in speed, which was established in the 2-1 Dude. So that isn’t taking him to Marco lvl of speed. That’s WG wank, that barely even supported here outside of Zwankers....

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Already happened in the canon in chapter 1022.

Never happened just read the chapter. Marco in a completely different location to Sanji. An unlike Sanji, Marco isn’t fighting his way through multiple enemies to help Zoro. This is way people hardly wanna debate anymore. Ztards lie, an try to manipulate the material too much....

That was only part of the question also, I’m guessing u can’t see the second part... Which king in falls into.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Speed Mode King > RS Niji > Base Niji > Defense Mode King.

 

[The White Crane]

Zoro and Sanji are not comparable in speed.

Got bitch slapped by Oda

 

[Egghead]

Obviously King isn’t faster than lightning incarnate Niji. He isn’t even faster than Sanji and King’s combat speed is inferior to Zoro’s which is almost comparable to Sanji’s

Exactly why Izo sniped him like a scrub and Marco was mopping the floor with him and Queen. Brook is faster than King

 

[zenox]

It’s obv king