General & Others Who Was The Better Villain Group? Baroque Works or CP9?

[pg13]

Why are we talking about things that happened like 15 years ago?

Their Best Antagonist Groups Oda has created up until now……. When something is the Best it stands the test of time that’s why Enies Lobby and Marineford are still brought up despite them both being 16+ Years old.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Baroque Works was definitely more fun.

CP9 were definitely more effective.

I think Alabasta and Water 7 are both at least 9/10 sagas.

It's really a case of which one you associate stronger memories with.

I think Alabasta was a shade better because it was more of a sprawling adventure, and it gave us Crocodile, Robin, Vivi and Mr 2.

Water 7 was peak fiction

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Baroque Works was definitely more fun.

CP9 were definitely more effective.

I think Alabasta and Water 7 are both at least 9/10 sagas.

It's really a case of which one you associate stronger memories with.

I think Alabasta was a shade better because it was more of a sprawling adventure, and it gave us Crocodile, Robin, Vivi and Mr 2.

Motto mention the goat Karoo

 

[Impact]

 

[Apollo]

You think CP9 Pushed the Strawhats more than Baroque Works?

They were very dominant in water 7, and they pushed the strawhats to power-up in ways that they used for much longer after their fights (Gears for Luffy, Asura for Zoro, Diable jambe for Sanji).

Crocodile killed Goofy twice before being defeated underground. The only bigger threat comes from the place "Ennies Lobby" and the buster call.

We're comparing the two groups rather than just two individual villains. CP9 as a whole I think were more threatening.

 

[kekaro]

Feels like the opposite to me

Lucci is legit the only member of CP9 that anyone actually cares about. Maybe Kaku and Jabra due to being Zoro and Sanji fights but it barely extends past that

Baroque Works has a more memorable leader in Crocodile, Robin and Bon Clay absolutely clear any member of CP9 in story relevance, and Mr.1 is cooler than any of the CP9 agents as well

Plus the Baroque Works agents have individuality going for them too. CP9 was kinda samey

Trvth nuke

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

BW have more boobs

 

[Shivercalero]

Both Peak.

I give the edge to CP9. Loved the undercover agent stuff.

 

[Rumble]

Had to vote Baroque Works.

 

[The Legend]

Crocodile and Daz Bones are great and the group in general is quite enjoyable... I can't say the same about the others

 

[Lord Melkor]

BW due to Crocodile, Robin, Mr 2 and Mr 3.

 

[Shiroyru]

Cp9 easily. Baroque works never felt like a real threat. Cp9 even the weakest ones looked like they could fold Luffy at some point. The whole rokushiki thing felt overpowered at the time.

Oda fucked up when he had Luffy and Zoro no diff Mr. 5 and Miss Valentine. They should have struggled a little bit just to show that the top brass of BW is strong

 

[ZenZu]

Oda fucked up when he had Luffy and Zoro no diff Mr. 5 and Miss Valentine. They should have struggled a little bit just to show that the top brass of BW is strong

Yea Baroque works was a joke from the start. There was never a second I felt they were a threat.

Cp9 I thought the world was falling apart, and Strawhats didn't stand a chance.

And tbh like someone mentioned in this thread Oda handed the strawhats the most absurd powerups that they still use to this day to beat them. Baroque works felt weaker before the fighting even started.

 

[Shiroyru]

Yea Baroque works was a joke from the start. There was never a second I felt they were a threat.

Cp9 I thought the world was falling apart, and Strawhats didn't stand a chance.

And tbh like someone mentioned in this thread Oda handed the strawhats the most absurd powerups that they still use to this day to beat them. Baroque works felt weaker before the fighting even started.

The M3 fights of BW were only tricky because they had a gimmick which made them hard to hit/damage

Sanji couldn’t hit Mr. 2 because of him transforming into Nami
Zoro couldn’t damage Mr. 1 because he couldn’t cut steel, and one shot him when he learned how to.
Luffy couldn’t damage Crocodile without having liquids around to soak him

 

[SakazOuki]

Baroque works as a group was dominated by Crocodile, other members felt secondaty or tertiary
Cp9 felt larger than life because at the end of the day they're just a branch of the WG. While Lucci was clearly the head of the group, he was still challenged at one point or another, and within the WG hierarchy he stood no chance. So as enemies of the strawhats they were better suited. Every 1v1 fight felt like a deathmatch. For BW, Daz Bones was awesome, otherwise meh