Future Events Who will break/steal the Sandai Kitetsu?

[nik87]

Oda has NEVER shown any sign of Luffy getting affected by the sword....why???

He did show the effect of a cursed sword. It brought misfortune upon Luffy - Kaido descended from the skies and one-shot him straight into the mines of Udon.
The only time he might show something special regarding that curse of Kitetsu swords is when Zoro picks up multiple of them. Whether it will happen when he takes 2 or all 3, who knows... At least, that are my expectations for it.

 

[MD Zolo]

There are six named swords at Wano in this very moment:

1. Wado Ichimonji - Zoro's - Most likely Safe.
2. Shusui - No longer Zoro's - Black blade, so nothing is gonna break it.
3. Sandai Kitetsu - Zoro's - Lowest grade sword among the six, may get an upgrade if it turns black (?).
4. Nidai Kitetsu - Not Zoro's - Hasn't significantly attracted Zoro's attention, but Zoro has shown some interest in it.
5. Enma - Zoro's - May be upgraded if turned black.
6. Ame no Habakiri - Not Zoro's - Belongs to a child who isn't strong enough to wield it.

So, here are some of the options most likely in my opinion:

1. Zoro turns Sandai black, which elevates it's grade (Jury is still out on the grading system regarding black blades). Zoro returns Enma to Hiyori because it is a gift from her father and takes Nidai. Zoro leaves with Wado, black Sandai and Nidai.
2. Zoro breaks Sandai, takes Shusui back; return Enma to Hiyori and take Nidai. Zoro leaves with Wado, black Shusui and Nidai.
3. Tengu gives Zoro Nidai because he believes that Zoro is ready to handle Nidai's curse and takes Sandai. Zoro gives Enma back to Hiyori and takes back Shusui. Zoro leaves with Wado, black Shusui and Nidai.
4. Zoro turns Enma black. Zoro leaves with Wado, black Enma and Sandai.

Do you guys see a pattern in my options? Because this pattern will decide the fate of Sandai in my opinion.

 

[Talkshit D Gethit]

There are six named swords at Wano in this very moment:

1. Wado Ichimonji - Zoro's - Most likely Safe.
2. Shusui - No longer Zoro's - Black blade, so nothing is gonna break it.
3. Sandai Kitetsu - Zoro's - Lowest grade sword among the six, may get an upgrade if it turns black (?).
4. Nidai Kitetsu - Not Zoro's - Hasn't significantly attracted Zoro's attention, but Zoro has shown some interest in it.
5. Enma - Zoro's - May be upgraded if turned black.
6. Ame no Habakiri - Not Zoro's - Belongs to a child who isn't strong enough to wield it.

So, here are some of the options most likely in my opinion:

1. Zoro turns Sandai black, which elevates it's grade (Jury is still out on the grading system regarding black blades). Zoro returns Enma to Hiyori because it is a gift from her father and takes Nidai. Zoro leaves with Wado, black Sandai and Nidai.
2. Zoro breaks Sandai, takes Shusui back; return Enma to Hiyori and take Nidai. Zoro leaves with Wado, black Shusui and Nidai.
3. Tengu gives Zoro Nidai because he believes that Zoro is ready to handle Nidai's curse and takes Sandai. Zoro gives Enma back to Hiyori and takes back Shusui. Zoro leaves with Wado, black Shusui and Nidai.
4. Zoro turns Enma black. Zoro leaves with Wado, black Enma and Sandai.

Do you guys see a pattern in my options? Because this pattern will decide the date of Sandai in my opinion.

He leaves with Enma, Wado and Sandai no black blades that comes later. But he could leave with Nidai if Sandai breaks. Don't see him trading it if he did that's dog af and not very swordsman like.

Swordsman become one with a blade and Zoro having Sandai for over 800 chapters doubt he trades it. That would make him look like a fuckwit imo.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

He did show the effect of a cursed sword. It brought misfortune upon Luffy - Kaido descended from the skies and one-shot him straight into the mines of Udon.
The only time he might show something special regarding that curse of Kitetsu swords is when Zoro picks up multiple of them. Whether it will happen when he takes 2 or all 3, who knows... At least, that are my expectations for it.

That's headcanon from the viewers... just speculation.... when Oda shows a panel of Luffy getting beat while at the same time focus on a panel on the "sword" that's when we may THINK that it's playing a role... but those misfortune never actually were focused on the sword as the "reason"
Just pure headcanon...
which is why I'm saying Oda needs to highlight it... and not for us to just speculate while he's ignoring those points in the story

 

[nik87]

That's headcanon from the viewers... just speculation.... when Oda shows a panel of Luffy getting beat while at the same time focus on a panel on the "sword" that's when we may THINK that it's playing a role... but those misfortune never actually were focused on the sword as the "reason"
Just pure headcanon...
which is why I'm saying Oda needs to highlight it... and not for us to just speculate while he's ignoring those points in the story

Yes, pure headcanon but what other purpose did that entire Luffy+Kitetsu sub plot line have? Literally nothing else.

 

[Geo]

Oda should have at least used that chance to represent its curse and its own reflection on Luffy

That's why Luffy got one shotted

 

[soultrain]

That's headcanon from the viewers... just speculation.... when Oda shows a panel of Luffy getting beat while at the same time focus on a panel on the "sword" that's when we may THINK that it's playing a role... but those misfortune never actually were focused on the sword as the "reason"
Just pure headcanon...
which is why I'm saying Oda needs to highlight it... and not for us to just speculate while he's ignoring those points in the story

I think Luffy just didn't get affected by the curse, the same way Zoro didn't. They are on their way to becoming top tiers and are just too badass for that.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

He did show the effect of a cursed sword. It brought misfortune upon Luffy - Kaido descended from the skies and one-shot him straight into the mines of Udon.
The only time he might show something special regarding that curse of Kitetsu swords is when Zoro picks up multiple of them. Whether it will happen when he takes 2 or all 3, who knows... At least, that are my expectations for it.

That was actually luck on Luffy's side. If he wasn't defeated by kaido the first day he wouldn't have trained to gain ad coa and the alliance would have been fucked on the day of the raid.

So thanks to the curse, he trained, made many allies in udon and he more or less has kidd on his side as well.

He still won't take the sword. He is not interested and he doesn't need one to become the strongest of the verse.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

I think Luffy just didn't get affected by the curse, the same way Zoro didn't. They are on their way to becoming top tiers and are just too badass for that.

But what's the point of Oda throwing the term "cursed sword" if he will never highlight it EVER in the story...

First, the Sandai, Oda basically made Zoro TEST its misfortune with his luck by throwing it and not cutting his arm... so if we didn't see the affect of misfortune of that sword... it's understandable but with Luffy... there was no panel around that... the sword also got back to Tengo right now... so there is high chance Zoro puts his hand on it later down the line... I think Oda at least should highlight the curse at one point of the story... and showcases it

You can't just say "it's cursed sword" and NEVER show its affect AT ALL during the span of 900+ chapters...

Even Law's sword was said to be cursed I believe.... It's highly believed that Durandal (Cavindish) sword is cursed... and people theorize (not confirmed) but theorize that Hakuba is the result of the curse of Durandal

So the point I'm making is.... If there is an arc that should explain the "cursed sword" and what they can do... it should be here in this arc... Oda should dedicate a chapter in this arc revolving around that!

Otherwise... there is no point in creating the term "cursed sword" to begin with and should have just used the normal sword terms... and normal ranking of 12 supreme sword > 21 great sword > ...etc

But basically including the term "cursed sword" and inclduing it in ANY RANK of the above... that should mean Oda MUST BE prepared to explain the importance of "cursed sword" and how they "became cursed" and so on...

That's why Luffy got one shotted

Man... I'll say it again... this is us making headcanon... I'm perfectly fine if that's the reason or that misfortune kept coming at him with seeing his friends annialated by Kaido... then learning Otama got attacked by kaido... thinking she's dead... then he getting defeated... I'm perfectly fine if it has that effect... BUT ODA needs to highlight it as the reason for that... and NOT us making headcanon that it was the reason when there was not a single panel of Oda during those events showcasing the sword or focusing on it as a way to tell us readers that the "curse is active" now...

All I'm saying is Oda shouldn't just throw it to the side and forget about the curse... Oda as an author in my opinion has an obligation IN THIS ARC SPECIFICALLY considering it's land of samurai... to explain the "cursed sword" in detail... if he doesn't... it's the biggest missed opportunity in my opinion

Yes, pure headcanon but what other purpose did that entire Luffy+Kitetsu sub plot line have? Literally nothing else.

Literally why I said Oda is OBLIGATED as an author to explain in detail.... otherwise... it's a missed opportunity and I don't care if you all disagree with me... but it's a slip on Oda's part if he ignored it...
I will not be okay for him to reveal it in SBS when he's got the god damn manga to do so

 

[nik87]

That was actually luck on Luffy's side. If he wasn't defeated by kaido the first day he wouldn't have trained to gain ad coa and the alliance would have been fucked on the day of the raid.
So thanks to the curse, he trained, made many allies in udon and he more or less has kidd on his side as well.

Yeah, eventually everything turns out ok for the MC but it was misfortune nonetheless.

He still won't take the sword. He is not interested and he doesn't need one to become the strongest of the verse.

He was interested enough to take it from Kitetsu without approval. He wont end up using it because he cant do anything with it.
And you know my stance about him becoming the strongest in the verse.

Literally why I said Oda is OBLIGATED as an author to explain in detail.... otherwise... it's a missed opportunity and I don't care if you all disagree with me... but it's a slip on Oda's part if he ignored it...
I will not be okay for him to reveal it in SBS when he's got the god damn manga to do so

Well, he didnt take an opportunity to work on that curse for almost 900 chapters, dont expect too much...

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Yeah, eventually everything turns out ok for the MC but it was misfortune nonetheless.

He was interested enough to take it from Kitetsu without approval. He wont end up using it because he cant do anything with it.
And you know my stance about him becoming the strongest in the verse.

Well, he didnt take an opportunity to work on that curse for almost 900 chapters, dont expect too much...

I have to expect much... when it's literally "land of samurai"
and the upgrade of Zoro's cursed sword exist on this island
I have to expect AT LEAST that much if I want a "good quality manga" and a good author job

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Yeah, eventually everything turns out ok for the MC but it was misfortune nonetheless.

He was interested enough to take it from Kitetsu without approval. He wont end up using it because he cant do anything with it.
And you know my stance about him becoming the strongest in the verse.

Well, he didnt take an opportunity to work on that curse for almost 900 chapters, dont expect too much...

I know your stance on the strongest of the verse. That's exactly why I wrote that.

He is not interested he just wanted to look like a samurai. And yes he doesn't know how to use it, he already stated that.

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro will certainly keep Shusui and Wado

At this point Enma could feature as his 3rd katana, if not till EOS, at least for the future

 

[Koro]

- sandai kitetsu breaks when fail to cut Kaido even with Luffy and Shutenmaru,
- zoro nitoryu go to stall King,
- zoro santoryu with ame no habakiri to beat king,
- then cut orochi with ame no habakiri,
- zoro come to kaido again to help luffy, then he try to cut Kaido till get the result... **lastly Zoro succeed to make scar on Kaido as the same as or even better than Oden with Enma, Ame no habakiri, & Wado which later acknowledge by Shutenmaru, Kawamatsu, Kinemon, Denjiro, Kid, Law, Big Mom, x-Drake, Hawkins, Apoo --> at Zou "I'll round up samurai for you".

*but Ame no habakiri replace by tengu for Nidai kitetsu as Tengu felt that its not good to give zoro momo's swords so he give his swords (nidai) to Zoro..

END with Zoro's Ashura appear temporarily as he hold nidai,
Tengu : "As expected... (smile)"

 

[HA001]

Vergo. Oh wait he only breaks legs...

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I don't know about this one? Maybe Sanji but who knows?

 

[Finalbeta]

I don't know about this one? Maybe Sanji but who knows?

Lol he can't even break his own suit let alone that.xd

 

[Rivaille]

Hitetsu...when he will reforge it with the Nidai :smithnie:

 

[PuckTheGreat]

On TB Zoro stated that Shusui was so durable that it wouldn’t even bend a millimeter if a dinosaur stepped on it. At the time, I thought the durability bit it was just a characteristic of the sword, but now that it has been revealed as a black blade, it’s very likely that Shusui’s durability is simply because it is a black blade.
In which case, for Zoro to create a black blade I think he’ll be faced with a situation where his regular armament won’t be enough to protect his blades which he’d have to overcome & the result of that will be a black blade. I reckon Sandai Kitesu will end up being sacrificed in the process as it is Zoro’s weakest blade. Moreover we already have a ready replacement in Nidai Kitetsu already introduced into the arc.

Also it’s pretty interesting that Zoro specifically used a dinosaur as an example when he spoke about Shusui’s durability coz this arc is spoiled with dinosaurs lolz. So it’d be very interesting to see if Oda references that in this arc ^^.

Lastly, it seems that if a sword becomes a black blade, it goes up a grade, so if Zoro makes Enma or Wado black, they’d become top grade swords. Sandai however would only become a great grade, so it kinda feels like the odd one out. So I think he replaces it with the Nidai.

*Edited:
Forgot to answer the question of the thread :p. I think King breaks Sandai as he’s looking like Zoro’s main matchup this arc. Plus, he’s a dinosaur zoan.

 

[soultrain]

But what's the point of Oda throwing the term "cursed sword" if he will never highlight it EVER in the story...

First, the Sandai, Oda basically made Zoro TEST its misfortune with his luck by throwing it and not cutting his arm... so if we didn't see the affect of misfortune of that sword... it's understandable but with Luffy... there was no panel around that... the sword also got back to Tengo right now... so there is high chance Zoro puts his hand on it later down the line... I think Oda at least should highlight the curse at one point of the story... and showcases it

You can't just say "it's cursed sword" and NEVER show its affect AT ALL during the span of 900+ chapters...

Even Law's sword was said to be cursed I believe.... It's highly believed that Durandal (Cavindish) sword is cursed... and people theorize (not confirmed) but theorize that Hakuba is the result of the curse of Durandal

So the point I'm making is.... If there is an arc that should explain the "cursed sword" and what they can do... it should be here in this arc... Oda should dedicate a chapter in this arc revolving around that!

Otherwise... there is no point in creating the term "cursed sword" to begin with and should have just used the normal sword terms... and normal ranking of 12 supreme sword > 21 great sword > ...etc

But basically including the term "cursed sword" and inclduing it in ANY RANK of the above... that should mean Oda MUST BE prepared to explain the importance of "cursed sword" and how they "became cursed" and so on...



Man... I'll say it again... this is us making headcanon... I'm perfectly fine if that's the reason or that misfortune kept coming at him with seeing his friends annialated by Kaido... then learning Otama got attacked by kaido... thinking she's dead... then he getting defeated... I'm perfectly fine if it has that effect... BUT ODA needs to highlight it as the reason for that... and NOT us making headcanon that it was the reason when there was not a single panel of Oda during those events showcasing the sword or focusing on it as a way to tell us readers that the "curse is active" now...

All I'm saying is Oda shouldn't just throw it to the side and forget about the curse... Oda as an author in my opinion has an obligation IN THIS ARC SPECIFICALLY considering it's land of samurai... to explain the "cursed sword" in detail... if he doesn't... it's the biggest missed opportunity in my opinion



Literally why I said Oda is OBLIGATED as an author to explain in detail.... otherwise... it's a missed opportunity and I don't care if you all disagree with me... but it's a slip on Oda's part if he ignored it...
I will not be okay for him to reveal it in SBS when he's got the god damn manga to do so

you got a point. The god damn creator of the cursed swords is here afterall, he could explain it. But maybe he already did when he said those swords are not for the weak. I know there could be more detail, but maybe that's all we get. I think the curse might work like Conqueror's Haki in a sense that only fodders get affected.