Character Discussion Why do people put Shiryu as Blackbeard’s Right Hand Man?

[Sir Yasheen]

I’ve been seeing people on this forum putting Shiryu with other “First Commanders” but Burgess is given the role as Blackbeard’s first captain.

If Shiryu is the first commander of the BB Pirates why isn’t Shiryu the Captain of the First Ship?

If the numbers don’t matter why do people say that King is first commander just due to his name?

Am I missing something where Shiryu was called the first commander? Was it in a Vivre card?

 

[Fuckthis3]

Oda cus he made Burgess get trash by Sabo easy and people dont see that happening to shiryu so they put him 1st commander instead

 

[Hiragaro]

I’ve been seeing people on this forum putting Shiryu with other “First Commanders” but Burgess is given the role as Blackbeard’s first captain.

If Shiryu is the first commander of the BB Pirates why isn’t Shiryu the Captain of the First Ship?

If the numbers don’t matter why do people say that King is first commander just due to his name?

Am I missing something where Shiryu was called the first commander? Was it in a Vivre card?

Cuz he has a sword and alot of people see Zoro fighting him...do the math lol

 

[Crush]

Shiryu is a new recruit and his strongest subordinate.

Look at it this way. A second commander is a special place in Whitebeards crew. Perhaps it's the same for Blackbeard.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Oda cus he made Burgess get trash by Sabo easy and people dont see that happening to shiryu so they put him 1st commander instead

You can’t be serious with this... no DF Sabo was pretty even with Burgess. And Sabo would absolutely trash Shiryu

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Shiryu is a new recruit and his strongest subordinate.

Look at it this way. A second commander is a special place in Whitebeards crew. Perhaps it's the same for Blackbeard.

Prove Shiryus his strongest? Because Burgess vivre card seems to mean otherwise

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Cuz he has a sword and alot of people see Zoro fighting him...do the math lol

If that’s the actual reason thats terrible

 

[GeneralP123]

I’ve been seeing people on this forum putting Shiryu with other “First Commanders” but Burgess is given the role as Blackbeard’s first captain.

If Shiryu is the first commander of the BB Pirates why isn’t Shiryu the Captain of the First Ship?

If the numbers don’t matter why do people say that King is first commander just due to his name?

Am I missing something where Shiryu was called the first commander? Was it in a Vivre card?

Blackbeard is mirroring Whitebeard's crew style, so his commanders are not ranked by strength, simple as that. Burgess is his right hand man because of loyalty, not because of strength

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Blackbeard is mirroring Whitebeard's crew style, so his commanders are not ranked by strength, simple as that. Burgess is his right hand man because of loyalty, not because of strength

But Marco was his first commander and his right hand man and the strongest. So if it’s mirroring Whitebeard Burgess plays that role. Not Shiryu and when has Blackbeard shown he cares about loyalty over strength?

 

[GrizzlySenpai]

Blackbeard is mirroring Whitebeard's crew style, so his commanders are not ranked by strength, simple as that. Burgess is his right hand man because of loyalty, not because of strength

While I don't know about Blackbeard mirroring Whitebeard, I do think the structure has more to do with loyalty than strength. Because OP is a shonen anime, people tend to assume more importance or rank = more strength. When that's not necessarily the case. Sengoku was probably strong as hell, but that's not what made him Fleet Admiral. Zoro isn't called First Mate because he's the second strongest Straw Hat (ignoring the fact that there are arguments for that all over).

 

[Sir Yasheen]

While I don't know about Blackbeard mirroring Whitebeard, I do think the structure has more to do with loyalty than strength. Because OP is a shonen anime, people tend to assume more importance or rank = more strength. When that's not necessarily the case. Sengoku was probably strong as hell, but that's not what made him Fleet Admiral. Zoro isn't called First Mate because he's the second strongest Straw Hat (ignoring the fact that there are arguments for that all over).

The difference is Blackbeard only cares about strength. He doesn’t care about anything else so why wouldn’t rank = strength there

 

[GrizzlySenpai]

The difference is Blackbeard only cares about strength. He doesn’t care about anything else so why wouldn’t rank = strength there

I don't know if that's entirely true. Blackbeard cares about power, which isn't the same as strength. Political power, which involves things like loyalty, is important to him, as well. He knows that strength is a part of the power he wants, but it's not the whole thing.

 

[Blackbeard]

I’ve been seeing people on this forum putting Shiryu with other “First Commanders” but Burgess is given the role as Blackbeard’s first captain.

If Shiryu is the first commander of the BB Pirates why isn’t Shiryu the Captain of the First Ship?

If the numbers don’t matter why do people say that King is first commander just due to his name?

Am I missing something where Shiryu was called the first commander? Was it in a Vivre card?

You aren't missing anything, anyone saying that King is a first commander is just mistaken, He's an All-Star, Kaido/Meme don't have a first commander. And it was never stated that the Titanic Captains' numbers are ranked by strength either.

Shiryu is clearly portrayed as the strongest commander nonetheless.

He was someone who Magellan let loose to single-handedly deal with the BBP. He, along with Magellan were responsible for watching over the strongest prisoners in the entire world for years. Even unnamed level sixth criminals each can wipe off a country, let alone legendary figures like Avalo, Wolf, Devon and Vasco. By feats, even without a devil fruit Shiryu was still Magellan's equal, the same man who effortlessly destroyed the Revolutionaries' G commander in base and made Warlords run from him. Burgess' bounty during that time was 20 millions, and he was one shot material for Ace.

Post timeskip Shiryu even received a new strength boost, so i'm not sure the ship number justifies placing Burgess above him when the difference in portrayal between the two is like heaven and earth.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don't know if that's entirely true. Blackbeard cares about power, which isn't the same as strength. Political power, which involves things like loyalty, is important to him, as well. He knows that strength is a part of the power he wants, but it's not the whole thing.

I mean when upgrading his crew he specifically looked for the strongest of the worst impel down had to offer.

He didn’t seem to have any care about loyalty in terms of Ace or Whitebeard or anyone else. I don’t see any other way of promotion other than power in his crew

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You aren't missing anything, anyone saying that King is a first commander is just mistaken, He's an All-Star, Kaido/Meme don't have a first commander. And it was never stated that the Titanic Captains' numbers are ranked by strength either.

Shiryu is clearly portrayed as the strongest commander nonetheless.

He was someone who Magellan let loose to singe-handedly deal with the BBP. He, along with Magellan were responsible for watching over the strongest prisoners in the entire world for years. Even unnamed level sixth criminals each can wipe off a country, let alone legendary figures like Avalo, Wolf, Devon and Vasco. By feats, even without a devil fruit Shiryu was still Magellan's equal, the same man who effortlessly destroyed the Revolutionaries' G commander and made Warlords run from him. Burgess' bounty during that time was 20 millions, and he was one shot material for Ace.

Post timeskip Shiryu even received a new strength boost, so i'm not sure the ship number justifies placing Burgess above him when the difference in portrayal between the two is like heaven and earth.

Magellan dealt with BB Pirates himself when he let Shiryu out. Shiryu is weaker than Magellan and it took the combined might of the entire crew to take down Magellan. Shiryu was never called Magellan’s equal just that he was feared because he was strong but willing to kill prisoners for fun.

BBs bounty was 0 at the time. Pre timeskip bounties for their crew means nothing since they were trying to keep under the radar.

He wasn’t one shot material for ace; he just wasn’t on Aces level. Post timeskip Burgess was shown to have ryou and insane physical stats.

I just don’t see any other reason for Burgess to be the first captain if not for strength or because Oda plans to make him the strongest. He made Shiryu number 2 why not just make him 1 if he’s Blackbeard’s strongest?

 

[GeneralP123]

But Marco was his first commander and his right hand man and the strongest. So if it’s mirroring Whitebeard Burgess plays that role. Not Shiryu and when has Blackbeard shown he cares about loyalty over strength?

What about Oden, would you say he is stronger than Marco even though he's the second division commander? I would

 

[Sir Yasheen]

What about Oden, would you say he is stronger than Marco even though he's the second division commander? I would

Current Marco I put above or equal to Oden tbh.

 

[GeneralP123]

Current Marco I put above or equal to Oden tbh.

I'd say Oden is still quite above any version of Marco

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I'd say Oden is still quite above any version of Marco

Unfortunately we didn’t get to really see it but I think the two would be pretty even with current Marcos defense and regen vs Odens offensive might.

 

[GeneralP123]

Unfortunately we didn’t get to really see it but I think the two would be pretty even with current Marcos defense and regen vs Odens offensive might.

I think one precise attack by Oden could kill Marco before he could regenerate.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I think one precise attack by Oden could kill Marco before he could regenerate.

Maybe but I think if Marco can take hits by admirals he can take hits by Oden.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Shiryu was never called Magellan’s equal just that he was feared because he was strong but willing to kill prisoners for fun.

Factually wrong.

Ivankov says Shiryu is as strong as Magellan.

Here's the Viz

Spoiler

and Stephen Paul's translation as well

Same with anything that goes on here the government doesn't want to get out.
For example, hyou people managed to rampage down to Level 4...
...but not long ago, hyou'd never have gotten that far.
That's because there was ANOTHER mighty presence within the prison... the Head Jailer.
"Shiryu of the Rain." His power is said to be virtually equal to Warden Magellan's!
And considering Magellan's short amount of time on the job, it's Shiryu hyou ought to watch out for.

Bon Clay: Equal to Magellan?!

Ivankov: It was those two vigilant lynchpins who kept Impel Down as tight as it is!

Spoiler

 

[Finalbeta]

Probably Impel Down portrayal

That confrontation on the bridge was spectacular to me. I don't think that Blackbeard only sees a mere dog in Shiryu.