General & Others Why do Sanji fans want Sanji to be like Zoro?
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What you said about Luffy is true.
But Zoro had help from Luffy and Usopp to beat the artificial dragon, help from Tashigi to beat Monet, help from Orlumbus to beat Pika, and help from Franky to beat King.
At least it may be argued that the help from Tashigi and Franky were unasked for, but considering the other two situations, I would say that Zoro is not really so honorable.
Not to mention the pathetic way how he bowed to Mihawk asking him for instruction while still intending to beat Mihawk. That was very far from honorable.
But Zoro had help from Luffy and Usopp to beat the artificial dragon, help from Tashigi to beat Monet, help from Orlumbus to beat Pika, and help from Franky to beat King.
At least it may be argued that the help from Tashigi and Franky were unasked for, but considering the other two situations, I would say that Zoro is not really so honorable.
Not to mention the pathetic way how he bowed to Mihawk asking him for instruction while still intending to beat Mihawk. That was very far from honorable.
No one wants sanji to be zoro sorry to burst your bubble. We wants good old mr prince back.
Oda essentially ruined that part turning him to serial pervert . It is fun for a while but the good old jokes gets tiring. Its outdated concept and oda needs to bring more layer to his character.
To me sanji can easily be best written character in the crew unlike others oda definitely progessed on his family but he needs to get rid of outdated gags. Oda should bring back pre ts sanji thats fine for me.
Oda essentially ruined that part turning him to serial pervert . It is fun for a while but the good old jokes gets tiring. Its outdated concept and oda needs to bring more layer to his character.
To me sanji can easily be best written character in the crew unlike others oda definitely progessed on his family but he needs to get rid of outdated gags. Oda should bring back pre ts sanji thats fine for me.
Hasn't Oda already done that in Onigashima?
Sanji appearing to beat Queen while holding Zoro's body seemed a lot like a 'Mr. Prince' or 'the hunter' moment.
Asking for Robin's help, choosing to destroy the raid suit to keep his emotions, and taking Osome's mouse out of his clothes to deliver it to her in safety after beating Queen were also great moments for him.
I would say that no character in the series has gotten more layers in his personality than Sanji.
Sanji appearing to beat Queen while holding Zoro's body seemed a lot like a 'Mr. Prince' or 'the hunter' moment.
Asking for Robin's help, choosing to destroy the raid suit to keep his emotions, and taking Osome's mouse out of his clothes to deliver it to her in safety after beating Queen were also great moments for him.
I would say that no character in the series has gotten more layers in his personality than Sanji.
says who? the zolowankers, zoro wants to avenge yasuie thats what you guys should push then if you really want what zolo himself want. 
him fighting orochi not kaido who he already admited he failed, cant even bring him to his knees with his best shots.
him fighting orochi not kaido who he already admited he failed, cant even bring him to his knees with his best shots.
Kaido and the philosophy of death
Zoro's declaration and his caring for the Samurai population
Zoro's parallel with the Samurai Kawamatsu and Hyogoro mentioned about
And of course the fact no one else will likely kill him
Lastly the moon prophecy parallel and the parallel with Oden's Enma
Zoro foddered Monet and never wanted to fight her in first place cause she was weak and girly.
Franky help is minimal, zoro never asked for it.
Pika never intended to fight honorable and was running away from zoro with his df, plus he was attacking civilians, if pika intended to have a True 1v1 he would have been stomped.
For the artificiel dragon, it was not a dual in the first place. It was not a zoro vs dragon fight, it was a 4v1 fight, zoro only wished he could give the final blow to see how it feels to kill a dragon.
For the mihawk scene I agree, i d have liked if zoro got another teacher than mihawk,
Franky help is minimal, zoro never asked for it.
Pika never intended to fight honorable and was running away from zoro with his df, plus he was attacking civilians, if pika intended to have a True 1v1 he would have been stomped.
For the artificiel dragon, it was not a dual in the first place. It was not a zoro vs dragon fight, it was a 4v1 fight, zoro only wished he could give the final blow to see how it feels to kill a dragon.
For the mihawk scene I agree, i d have liked if zoro got another teacher than mihawk,
Zoro killing Kaido isn't just some ego trip for Zoro's fans, it's been built up and hinted at since thriller bark. Unless there are huge movements of fans saying Zoro will defeat the main antagonist every arc he's in? Zoro's path in the story is clear, so is Luffy's. Sometimes they can connect but no one's expecting Zoro to become a D. clan member or gain voat or become captain
Zoro is a boring character that can be replaced at any time. He has a role template that can be seen everywhere in any manga works. All he has to do is put on a bad face and defeat the enemy in front of him. The only reason why he is popular is that he is a badass
Sanji is still one of the most popular roles of OP despite his shortcomings. Imagine how popular he would be without him, but I personally think that's why he is not a boring role
As for strength, Zoro is only a little better than Sanji
Zoro has Coc, but he only beat one YC
Sanji didn't have a Coc, but he still beat a YC
Sanji can still be one of Luffy's wings
Tell me why Sanji fans want Sanji to be Zoro？？？
What some Zoro fans have to do is seize any opportunity to belittle Luffy, Sanji and others. They are afraid of anyone who threatens Zoro in strength, because this is the only place Zoro can boast. Without it, Zoro doesn't even need to exist
Zoro fans want Zoro to become or even surpass Luffy, because Luffy is better than Zoro in all aspects, except direction blind
Conclusion: Sanji fans never want Sanji to be Zoro
and Zoro fans have always wanted Zoro to become a Luffy they can never surpass
Sanji is still one of the most popular roles of OP despite his shortcomings. Imagine how popular he would be without him, but I personally think that's why he is not a boring role
As for strength, Zoro is only a little better than Sanji
Zoro has Coc, but he only beat one YC
Sanji didn't have a Coc, but he still beat a YC
Sanji can still be one of Luffy's wings
Tell me why Sanji fans want Sanji to be Zoro？？？
What some Zoro fans have to do is seize any opportunity to belittle Luffy, Sanji and others. They are afraid of anyone who threatens Zoro in strength, because this is the only place Zoro can boast. Without it, Zoro doesn't even need to exist
Zoro fans want Zoro to become or even surpass Luffy, because Luffy is better than Zoro in all aspects, except direction blind
Conclusion: Sanji fans never want Sanji to be Zoro
and Zoro fans have always wanted Zoro to become a Luffy they can never surpass
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You're right.
What I was really meaning to say was just that Zoro also gets some help from other people in his fights some times, but I ended up exaggerating.
Of course, the fact he didn't want to cut Monet himself was actually more honourable for him, since Monet was a woman.
And Zoro got help from Orlumbus to reach Pika precisely when Pika turned away from his opponent and was going to attack other people, so Zoro getting Orlumbus' help was totally justifiable, and didn't make him less honourable.
Just in the case of the fight against the dragon, I believe it would have been more honourable for him if he had made sure to fight the dragon alone instead of teaming up to beat it, which is never a praiseworthy thing, but the dragon wasn't a human opponent, so I guess this is not very relevant.
Also, about his fight with Monet, I just think Oda did an injustice with Tashigi by writing in a narration box that Zoro was the winner; It would have been more fair if in the narration box it were written that Zoro and Tashigi were the winners instead, considering how Tashigi was in fact the one who finished Monet off, and considering how Zoro hurt Monet's face when Monet was being held by Tashigi, so it was clearly a 2vs1 fight, and not a 1vs1.
And I'm not saying that Zoro wouldn't have won in a 1vs1, but nothing changes what actually happened, and what actually happened was that Tashigi did in fact help Zoro in the fight, especially by allowing him to beat Monet without having to actually seriously hurt a woman. In other words, Tashigi spared him "the dirty work".
And of course, what was written in the narration is not Zoro's fault; I'm only blaming Oda a bit here, and not Zoro.
What I was really meaning to say was just that Zoro also gets some help from other people in his fights some times, but I ended up exaggerating.
Of course, the fact he didn't want to cut Monet himself was actually more honourable for him, since Monet was a woman.
And Zoro got help from Orlumbus to reach Pika precisely when Pika turned away from his opponent and was going to attack other people, so Zoro getting Orlumbus' help was totally justifiable, and didn't make him less honourable.
Just in the case of the fight against the dragon, I believe it would have been more honourable for him if he had made sure to fight the dragon alone instead of teaming up to beat it, which is never a praiseworthy thing, but the dragon wasn't a human opponent, so I guess this is not very relevant.
Also, about his fight with Monet, I just think Oda did an injustice with Tashigi by writing in a narration box that Zoro was the winner; It would have been more fair if in the narration box it were written that Zoro and Tashigi were the winners instead, considering how Tashigi was in fact the one who finished Monet off, and considering how Zoro hurt Monet's face when Monet was being held by Tashigi, so it was clearly a 2vs1 fight, and not a 1vs1.
And I'm not saying that Zoro wouldn't have won in a 1vs1, but nothing changes what actually happened, and what actually happened was that Tashigi did in fact help Zoro in the fight, especially by allowing him to beat Monet without having to actually seriously hurt a woman. In other words, Tashigi spared him "the dirty work".
And of course, what was written in the narration is not Zoro's fault; I'm only blaming Oda a bit here, and not Zoro.
