Break Week Why do Wano defenders come up with the shittiest excuses for criticism?

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#23
Anyone is free to dislike Wano or any part of One Piece as they see fit, I don't really get why anyone actually gives a shit about what someone else feels about a story when it comes to their enjoyment. I liked Wano quite a bit, it's no skin off my back that other people don't. No need to make any excuses either way, if you like something, someone saying that it's bad shouldn't affect your opinion at all or vice versa.
 
#24
Both you and the author of this Twitter post have a point. Wano is full of shit, but every other arc is as well. Asspull PUs? Every PU in OP is an asspull, especially those from Enies Lobby (the most wanked arc in the series). No deaths or insignificant deaths? Tell me one arc aside from MF that has ANY deaths. No tension? Same as deaths. No real Kaido flashback? Doffy and BM are the ONLY villains who actually got a flashback longer than 1 chapter. Villains don't usually get flashbacks, and the juicy part of Kaido's flashback (the one with Rocks) is probably something oda is saving for later.

Most other criticism I see comes exactly from what Twitter post wrote, headcanons, theories and agendas. People are butthurt that Wano wasn't Zoro's arc. I was disappointed as well, I had multiple scenarios for Zoro to shine in this arc in my head (no delusional shit like ZKK), but I guess that isn't how Oda imagined HIS story. I was disappointed yes, but bashing the story and the author for not doing something I wanted to happen is a bit ridiculous.



And that's exactly the point of this Twitter post. Why shouldn't BM be annoying? Why should Queen be competent? Because that's something you wanted them to be? "That character didn't turn out how I wanted him to be" is not a valid criticism. People think of Yonkos as some all powerful gods of OP (similar to what Madara was in Naruto) and got disappointed when it turned out they are just powerful but not invincible. Akainu said it himself in back in MF, Yonkos are losers. Even now, we have Buggy among the new emperors, which is just further proof that they can be frauds.

What did Usopp do in Fishman Island? Punk Hazard? Skypea? Not every arc can have every strawhat (that isn't M3) shine, especially now when there is 10 of them.

There are a lot of things I didn't like about Wano (not the best, but not the worst arc either, somewhere in the middle) but most of them are related to pacing issues. I've been reading this series for 12 years now and I had a lot of theories and headcanons of my own, most of them never came true, and the actual outcome was sometimes better than what I imagined and sometimes worse (in my opinion ofc).

This is why you, me, and most of the fanbase probably enjoyed preTS a lot more than postTS. Because in preTS we didn't have a road map, we didn't have expectations, anything could happen at any point and everything is a surprise.
They just defeated Crocodile and left Alabasta, what's next? Did you have any idea what next arc would be about? Did you expect a 400 years old ship would fall from the sky which would lead to an adventure in the sky island and pit SHs against a self proclaimed god? They left the sky island, what's next? A train riding on the sea? A city on water? A secret organisation that was never mentioned before and was introduced in the same arc it was defeated in, thus not giving people too much chance to dive too much into the sea of expectations and headcanons?

Now this is my criticism, not only for Wano, but for this entire saga:
Ever since PH people have something like a checklist in their heads for things that HAVE TO happen in order for them to be happy. Everything SHs do is a part of a plan to thwart Kaido, characters are introduced too soon (before they actually get to do something) creating expectations and headcanons. We know what the story is heading towards (Kaido's defeat in this case) and we start creating scenarios in our heads much sooner than we should and get too attached to those scenarios because they sound awesome in our heads. We start overanalyzing everything, having agendas, wanting our favourite characters to shine, trying to find a secret meaning in things that have none (like Kokeshi dolls, giant sword in onigashima etc) and then, delusional ideas like ZKK are born. In the end, things don't go the way we thought they would and we feel scammed, because we believed something that was never meant to be (like Queen being competent or BM being invincible). In this case both Oda and community are to blame. Oda for teasing things he does not intend to deliver upon, and community for taking the bait.

Fortunately, this will end now after Wano is over. Once again we won't know what the next destination will be and what awaits the Strawhats, and OP may finally have that "adventure into the unknown" magic it used to have.




TL;DR Oda is a clown but so are you :cheers:
"The character didn't turn out how I wanted them to be is not a valid criticism"

Big Mom came into Wano chasing Luffy and wanting payback, that's the only reason for her inclusion in this arc, that's how Oda set her up but instead he had her bail out Luffy and his friends on multiple occasions. Why shouldn't I think of that as annoying?
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One Piece Twitter and Reddit are annoying shill hiveminds. I'm glad we have a space where all of the sane and factually correct One Piece fans can come together and agree on Wano instead of languishing in those echo chambers
Worstgen is also an echo chamber every sub is
 
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#30
Agreed. Wano was ruined because Lolda wanted to have his cake and ate it, too, and it should be fine to point this out. :cheers:

Wanted us to believe Cook is YC2 level, but spent a decade making him a jobber. :milaugh:

Wanted us to care for Momoron, Otameh, the Scrubbards, and the Wanonese, but made them endlessly uninteresting and not fun to cheer for. :gokulaugh:

Wanted us to care for Oden, but put him on an unbelievable pedestal and instead made us wonder why top tiers worship this Gary Stu. :suresure:

Wanted us to care for Yamato, but introduced her way too late in the game. :doffytroll:

Wanted us to take Beast Pirates as threats, but spent zero efforts building them as a crew. :fujilaugh:

Wanted us to take King as an actual Yonko firstmate, but made him spend the arc on the background. :hihihi:

Wanted us to take Queen as reverse Vegapunk, but made him incompetent as hell. :ronalaugh:

Wanted us to take Jack seriously, but lolnoped him out of the story. :vistalaugh:

Wanted us to take the SHs as a Yonko crew, but one third of them did not even have a legit combat win in the arc. :emohiyo:

Wanted us to take Law and Kidd as Yonko level fighters, but did not give them established PUs or credentials aside from "posing as Luffy's rivals". :risitameh:

Wanted us to take Meme and her crew as legit threats, but treated them as clowns. :kailaugh:

Wanted us to take Crydo as WSC, but instead wrote him as an Oden simp with inconsistent charaterization and zero body count. :lulz:

Wanted us to embrace Nika, but spent 5 chapters building it up and threw away the 25-year old Gomu Gomu no Mi we all have come to know and love. :rolaugh:

Lastly, wanted us to be in awe of the Samurais, but literally cancelled every Zoro plotline to end the arc. :broocry:

Wano is a shitshow of epic proportions and this is factual. :arnoling:
Goda made Wano ultra shit on purpose so next arc is better :steef::steef:
 
#31
People build expectations because they're lead on by the author.
For example, the dawn is mentioned over and over throughout this saga, so we expect to see it.
When we don't see it, the "defense" is to say that it was "headcanon" to expect to see the dawn.
Of course, this doesn't make any sense, but it's never going to go away.
Why? Because reading One Piece (for a big number of readers) is more of a vibe/lifestyle, probably moreso than other series.
If you say something bad about the series, you're essentially "attacking" the reader.
 
#37
"The character didn't turn out how I wanted them to be is not a valid criticism"

Big Mom came into Wano chasing Luffy and wanting payback, that's the only reason for her inclusion in this arc, that's how Oda set her up but instead he had her bail out Luffy and his friends on multiple occasions. Why shouldn't I think of that as annoying?
And what did you expect? Her to succeed in her payback? To kill Luffy and the SHs? One Piece to end? Her purpose in Wano was to give Kid and Law a fight that would put them in the same category as Luffy and solidify their position as Luffy's rivals, and she fulfilled that purpose.
 
#38
In the end it’s all subjective opinion. Personally Wano has been great so far. I’m looking forward to how Oda is going to tie up all the plotlines still left open. Oda has been faithful seeing this arc through and so far he’s delivered, people just need to be more patient for things to come full circle.
 

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#40
I have my doubts about that. To talk that much shit and then bail when things starting looking bleak and in the manner he did, there's no way he'd show his face again. I wouldn't :milaugh:
When Zoro will shine again maybe which might happen in 1 year or 2 :josad: But probably he returns earlier imo I got this sensation
 
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