Character Discussion Why do you think ZBoys are in such denial about Green Bull having a black blade?

[Ven437]

Agenda aside, in all seriousness though

It’s not 100% confirmation that GB has a Black Blade just yet. We have STRONG implication in visuals, but this BB business is just like ACoC where there’s always room for error unless the horse comes out and says it

And even if it’s a true Black Blade there’s still the question of whether he himself forged it or not

 

[kumae]

Im with the Seath team

besides here in the VC as well in the manga below the yellow part you can see the sword keeps going and also the black part been very thick wich match with a seath if it was an unseathed sword the black part would be more thin the deal with the anime is that they made his sword unseath
https://one-piece.com/character/Aramaki/index.html
Also an specific requirement to be WSS is to have a black blade

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1- no personality

Crazy saying this when MC leech from his personality

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I've already given the reasons:


There are many events that don't make sense if Greenbull forged a black blade.

I have seen some comments of him just having a black blade, but not having forged it. In which case, I don't see the narrative reason at all; why would the author pull that off at this point?



Whose alt are you?

Anyway, you might be able to create excuses for Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks not having black blade. But there is no wiggle room for Oden, when his own father mentioned about it.
You need to be stronger than Oden at least in the base.

Oden can casually one shot Morley.

Those don’t matter because we can physically see the black blade. Like if you want to say he didn’t make it himself fine that can be argued, but to say it’s not a black blade is dishonest.

And no you don’t need to be stronger than Oden to forge a black blade.

 

[Shisui]

Ngl, all I got from this shit is swords in OP are overrated af. You mean to tell me this mf has a black balde but still chooses to use his df
Then there's Akainu, who used to carry a sword but opted for a df instead. Same guy Oda said could find the OP faster than Roger. On top of that, PK Roger fought Garp countless times and couldn't even leave a scratch on him. And let's not forget the mickey mouse duel between Hawkeye and Shanks

 

[Topi Jerami]

Beautiful panel:

It made two fandoms have a complete meltdown.

Nice green shoes.

 

[Sentinel]

Nice green shoes.

Yep, I was surprised at the color choice but it looks great.

 

[grey matter]

Grey i simply do not understand.
Why is it drawn exactly like shusui if it's not a black sword?
I am not asking why it doesn't make sense for you, because there are plenty of things that do not makes sense in One Piece.
Why is it drawn like shusui twice if it's just a normal sword?

I am not denying that it visually looks like a black blade. I'm just throwing out the possibility that it's just visual similarity, because there was no focus on the sword or Greenbull’s swordsmanship so far.

So I just say wait.
If it is a black blade, it's just a matter of time before we get in manga acknowledgement of the same right?

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Those don’t matter because we can physically see the black blade. Like if you want to say he didn’t make it himself fine that can be argued, but to say it’s not a black blade is dishonest.

And no you don’t need to be stronger than Oden to forge a black blade.

Visuals isn't a conclusive proof of anything. It's an indication, that's all.

Yes you need to be, especially when his father outright mentioned about it. The narrative is there.
Black blade is the peak of swordsmanship

 

[MarineHQ]

I am not denying that it visually looks like a black blade. I'm just throwing out the possibility that it's just visual similarity, because there was no focus on the sword or Greenbull’s swordsmanship so far.

So I just say wait.
If it is a black blade, it's just a matter of time before we get in manga acknowledgement of the same right?

Just a matter of 5-10 years when Elbaf itself will probably last potentially up to 3 years if not more lol

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I am not denying that it visually looks like a black blade. I'm just throwing out the possibility that it's just visual similarity, because there was no focus on the sword or Greenbull’s swordsmanship so far.

So I just say wait.
If it is a black blade, it's just a matter of time before we get in manga acknowledgement of the same right?

Yeah of course, I am sure it will acknowledge if that is the case.
But at the same time, being that mangas are first and foremost a visual medium, if something looks like something else, it might be just because that is the case.
We know black blades exist, and the thing GB blade looks more like is a black blade.
Unless something else is introduced that can explain it, black blade is without a doubt the most simple explanation.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I am not denying that it visually looks like a black blade. I'm just throwing out the possibility that it's just visual similarity, because there was no focus on the sword or Greenbull’s swordsmanship so far.

So I just say wait.
If it is a black blade, it's just a matter of time before we get in manga acknowledgement of the same right?

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Visuals isn't a conclusive proof of anything. It's an indication, that's all.

Yes you need to be, especially when his father outright mentioned about it. The narrative is there.
Black blade is the peak of swordsmanship

When the main evidence of a black blade, is a blade being visually black, it’s not just evidence it’s conclusive.

And that’s just your headcanon, it’s never stated turning a blade black is a strictly power level thing.

 

[kekaro]

I still hope its somehow a bokken just to see even more meltdowns

Gigabull is a gift that keeps giving

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I still hope its somehow a bokken just to see even more meltdowns

Gigabull is a gift that keeps giving

Not even that.
It's a tree branch he hardened into a black blade.

 

[grey matter]

Just a matter of 5-10 years when Elbaf itself will probably last potentially up to 3 years if not more lol

Yeah, unfortunately lol.
How long was Egghead? I think 1.5 years? I would expect Elbaf to be for 2.5-3 years

I do hope we get to see it in roughly 3 years though, Oda has to be getting tired to continue this for more than 5-6 years.

Yeah of course, I am sure it will acknowledge if that is the case.
But at the same time, being that mangas are first and foremost a visual medium, if something looks like something else, it might be just because that is the case.
We know black blades exist, and the thing GB blade looks more like is a black blade.
Unless something else is introduced that can explain it, black blade is without a doubt the most simple explanation.

I agree on the visual argument. But my argument is purely based on narrative and in-verse logic.

If black blade was something that wasn't quite significant for narrative/power-scaling, I could've accepted the argument based on visuals.

Black blade is something that is incredibly rare - only 2 yet in the series, more rare than advanced conqueror's haki and DF awakenings. It's implied that at least part of the requirement is insane haki (armament implied through zoro's flashback against Pica, conqueror's implied through zoro's conversation with King). It is the pinnacle of swordsmanship, and is the EoS benchmark for the 2nd most important strawhat.

Based on this, combined with some other events surrounding Greenbull that wouldn't make sense if he was a master swordsman who forged a black blade, I think it's fair to say lets wait for an acknowledgement before treating it as a fact.

I still hope its somehow a bokken just to see even more meltdowns

Gigabull is a gift that keeps giving

What is "bokken" ?

 

[kekaro]

What is "bokken" ?

A wooden sword, it being black maybe some kind charred sword he created
I'm surprised no one of the swordswallowers came up with that tbh. maybe not smart enough

 

[Leadership101]

Look wether people want to accept it or not Zoro is going to end up being one of the strongest characters after this manga ends. There's no doubt in my mind about that. Sanji isn't making it to top 30 strongest characters in this series. He's not even near half the level of pre ts admiral.
The problem comes from people who think ryuma is a god tier in the verse. We have literally zero information between ryuma and the world government. We only know that ryuma made the world government not touch wano. Ryuma is not that strong. Joyboy lit already did something wank citizens consider to be on par with ryuma heroics. Also we don't know if ryuma and the world government crossed paths before or after imu fought joyboy

 

[BattalGazi]

Don't worry Zoro fans i know life is tough and you don't like a justice man having same black blade Ryuma has but Aramaki is just that strong.

Here is a video of Aramaki greatness, watch it if you are not convinced.

 

[mly90]

A wooden sword, it being black maybe some kind charred sword he created
I'm surprised no one of the swordswallowers came up with that tbh. maybe not smart enough

Why would anyone come up with such lame cope lol when it's evident that trash doesn't posess a kokuto to begin with. It's funny the same groups of fandom who made it their life mission to downplay zoro/mihawk are infact the biggest sword swallowers. Why don't you hype him for his own achievements rather than clinging on to Ryuma and Mihawk he told us from his intro he was nothing more than a df merchant

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Yeah, unfortunately lol.
How long was Egghead? I think 1.5 years? I would expect Elbaf to be for 2.5-3 years

I do hope we get to see it in roughly 3 years though, Oda has to be getting tired to continue this for more than 5-6 years.



I agree on the visual argument. But my argument is purely based on narrative and in-verse logic.

If black blade was something that wasn't quite significant for narrative/power-scaling, I could've accepted the argument based on visuals.

Black blade is something that is incredibly rare - only 2 yet in the series, more rare than advanced conqueror's haki and DF awakenings. It's implied that at least part of the requirement is insane haki (armament implied through zoro's flashback against Pica, conqueror's implied through zoro's conversation with King). It is the pinnacle of swordsmanship, and is the EoS benchmark for the 2nd most important strawhat.

Based on this, combined with some other events surrounding Greenbull that wouldn't make sense if he was a master swordsman who forged a black blade, I think it's fair to say lets wait for an acknowledgement before treating it as a fact.


What is "bokken" ?

Mate, narratively Usop regressed to pre enies lobby after the time skip, power scaling goes up and down, lor d coast eats Shanks or a 1000 other things.
Oda in narratively extremely inconsistent.
Like Luffy being destroyed by Lucci and then he defeats him in EL, or crocodile being so weak and then so strong.