Questions & Mysteries Why does Oda give Sanji such little hype?

[Charlotte Horchata]

When was the last time monster trio been mentioned?

i said in other post, after TS Luffy and Zoro duo is more apparent than monster trio, and with jinbe joined it's like the nail in the coffin for M3..

The monster trio was last mentioned in Fishman Island if I recall correctly. And out-verse in the most recent poll, I think.

After timeskip no proper instance of evaluating the monster trio has actually come up, though. Even now in the rooftop, what those characters have in common isn't strength but that they belong to the Supernova as they represent the new generation, and such group was literally created in a couple of hours short before the release of their introductory chapter (so it's not the most reliable source of assessment).

Jinbe is currently facing a Tobi Roppo while Sanji might get a Disaster. No nail in the coffin there, at all; especially because that's the same "argument" against Sanji that has been used since the times Robin joined.

 

[wereng99]

The monster trio was last mentioned in Fishman Island if I recall correctly. And out-verse in the most recent poll, I think.

After timeskip no proper instance of evaluating the monster trio has actually come up, though. Even now in the rooftop, what those characters have in common isn't strength but that they belong to the Supernova as they represent the new generation, and such group was literally created in a couple of hours short before the release of their introductory chapter (so it's not the most reliable source of assessment).

Jinbe is currently facing a Tobi Roppo while Sanji might get a Disaster. No nail in the coffin there, at all; especially because that's the same "argument" against Sanji that has been used since the times Robin joined.

Irrc there's no mention of m3 afyer ts, but yes oda potrayed three of them at FI..

You just prove one of my point, even before TS oda choose to group lufy and zoro together more than sanji with both of them being WG..

And iirc Nami is the first to create the definition of M3, it's because their inhuman prowess they posses within the crew, and we know Robin didn't have the strength to lift building like those 3, and then franky joined and yet Franky is not as capable fighters as those 3.. and then come after TS they're all became stronger in their own right.. then come wano jinbei join now the crew had one addition of monster, so the crew had 4 monster,
what those 4 monster have in common isn't strength but that they belong to the monster within their crew..
Oda put Luffy and Zoro within Striking distance while stronger than both Sanji and Jinbei but still oda seemingly put sanji stronger than jinbei

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Irrc there's no mention of m3 afyer ts, but yes oda potrayed three of them at FI..

Caribou mentions it.

You just prove one of my point, even before TS oda choose to group lufy and zoro together more than sanji with both of them being WG..

They happened to belong to that group because of the 100 million mark, which was a pre-established mark since times of Jaya while Sanji didn't get a bounty in Arabasta. Where some people seem to see a detailed, well-thought plan of events from Oda I only see an organic development of improvised concepts: he happened to use the 100 million mark in Jaya, and he happened to find Sabaody empty so he created out of the blue the new generation of super rookies for whom he recycled the 100 million mark he established in Jaya, and that category of "super rookie" and not simply strength (which they certainly have, not denying it) is what share those in the rooftop (since it's explicitly addressed as a clash between the old and the new generation).

And iirc Nami is the first to create the definition of M3, it's because their inhuman prowess they posses within the crew

It's been mentioned as a concept outside of Nami and the crew. And it still doesn't actually address the point of why Nami or whoever else chose to put Sanji in the group if Luffy and Zoro are both on a tier of their own. If Luffy is a 10, Zoro a 9, Sanji a 7 and Franky a 5, for example, why is Sanji with Luffy and Zoro instead of Franky and the rest. Follow me?

we know Robin didn't have the strength to lift building like those 3

Speak of yourself, I recall people thinking the strength hierarchy was over because Robin looked to them stronger than Sanji, same for Franky. Of course these assumptions fell soon after they joined.

then come wano jinbei join now the crew had one addition of monster, so the crew had 4 monster,

Unless Jinbe gets a Tobi Roppo and Sanji a Disaster, just like Franky looked beastly as he fought Luffy and Blueno yet he ended up far from Jabra and in the tier of Fukuro. Same old story, and I'm the first here who wouldn't mind Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe being Luffy's "three top commanders".

what those 4 monster have in common isn't strength but that they belong to the monster within their crew..

Yeah, and again, what is the criteria for Sanji to be included in the "monster trio" then. Saying that they "belong to the monster within their crew" is empty reasoning because doesn't address the important issue, which is why those are the monsters and why the monsters are three if one of them is significantly weaker than the other two (you can include Jinbe here if you want).

Oda put Luffy and Zoro within Striking distance while stronger than both Sanji and Jinbei but still oda seemingly put sanji stronger than jinbei

And so we repeat. Why the concept of "monster trio" is even a thing to begin with if Luffy and Zoro are a monster duo "within striking distance" regarding Sanji and now, according to you, Jinbe. Why Sanji gets to be included but nof Franky if, from a wider perspective, the difference between Franky and Sanji may be similar to that between Sanji and Zoro and Luffy.

 

[BleakAsh]

Irrc there's no mention of m3 afyer ts, but yes oda potrayed three of them at FI..

You just prove one of my point, even before TS oda choose to group lufy and zoro together more than sanji with both of them being WG..

And iirc Nami is the first to create the definition of M3, it's because their inhuman prowess they posses within the crew, and we know Robin didn't have the strength to lift building like those 3, and then franky joined and yet Franky is not as capable fighters as those 3.. and then come after TS they're all became stronger in their own right.. then come wano jinbei join now the crew had one addition of monster, so the crew had 4 monster,
what those 4 monster have in common isn't strength but that they belong to the monster within their crew..
Oda put Luffy and Zoro within Striking distance while stronger than both Sanji and Jinbei but still oda seemingly put sanji stronger than jinbei

but then again oda also went ahead to portray zoro and sanji together in Little Garden zoro and sanji are symbolized to be Dorry and Borgy (its obvious since they fought over the exact same things)

And whenever luffy and zoro have a moment sanji would be gone doing something else or is asleep lol. like in the sea train stretch.. while zoro and luffy were on the train sanji was whopping asses in the sea train as was the first one at that moment to come close enough to break Blueno's tekkai.in enies lobby the enemy luffy faces is twice as strong compared to kaku and Jabra.. who sanji and zoro were fighting



And while luffy fights lucci zoro and sanji supervising ussops shots to save robin..before sanji diverges and opens the gate of justice to save the crew
Fast forward thriller bark... sanji and zoro shown to be neck and neck with eachother...working as the central core for the straw hats attack combinations..

Fast forward Sabaody and we see luffy /sanji/ zoro having their attack combination
still maintaining their hierarchy

And the reason behind why isn't sanji in WG should be obvious.....
zoro got his bounty from wiskey peaks
while sanji was the MVP of both Little Garden and Alabasta... yet he didn't get his bounty..
his first bounty was after enies lobby and that was off 77 mil... if World G knew what role he played in SHPs success he would have gotten a bounty post alabasta which wouldn't be less than a 30mil...then his bounty would have exceeded 100 mil making him a part WG



so the obvious reason being him being under the radar... that quality about sanji makes him so unnoticed...

The thing with post time skip is that.. things aren't that linear.. they are hectic... like zoro and sanji haven't had a well deserved fight since pretime skip to show their ceiling.. but from what is shown even in Post timeskip they still seem relative.

So that the reason why oda doesn't have sanji in WG.. nit because he is not to their level its because. he's better under the radar

and why oda has zoro with luffy is coz he is the Vice CAP... just like killer in WG..

so oda shows characters acting claiming that why isn't he the captain coz of his strength... but he also shown that his everyday chef rivals him at that..

 

[hedera__helix]

Then why the explicitly referred concept in the story is "monster trio" instead of "monster duo". That's the point. What is the criteria for the characters and therefore Oda to highlight them as a trio of monsters in strength instead of focusing only on Luffy and Zoro. Saying that "they are the monster trio because they are the three strongest", as I've seen here, is completely empty as a reasoning because it doesn't address the actually important part, which is why "three" was the number of crewmates chose as their monsters if Luffy and Zoro are such a duo significantly above the rest and even close (if not equal) in power, as some state.

Plenty of people in the story have called Luffy and Zoro strong as a pair in the story. They’ve been portrayed as a duo way more than Luffy/Zoro/Sanji as a trio is my point. I mean them being the only Straw Hats to be part of the leaders of the New Generation is more significant portrayal than anything the “M3” has gotten.

 

[BleakAsh]

Plenty of people in the story have called Luffy and Zoro strong as a pair in the story. They’ve been portrayed as a duo way more than Luffy/Zoro/Sanji as a trio is my point. I mean them being the only Straw Hats to be part of the leaders of the New Generation is more significant portrayal than anything the “M3” has gotten.

but then again oda also went ahead to portray zoro and sanji together in Little Garden zoro and sanji are symbolized to be Dorry and Borgy (its obvious since they fought over the exact same things)

And whenever luffy and zoro have a moment sanji would be gone doing something else or is asleep lol. like in the sea train stretch.. while zoro and luffy were on the train sanji was whopping asses in the sea train as was the first one at that moment to come close enough to break Blueno's tekkai.in enies lobby the enemy luffy faces is twice as strong compared to kaku and Jabra.. who sanji and zoro were fighting



And while luffy fights lucci zoro and sanji supervising ussops shots to save robin..before sanji diverges and opens the gate of justice to save the crew
Fast forward thriller bark... sanji and zoro shown to be neck and neck with eachother...working as the central core for the straw hats attack combinations..

Fast forward Sabaody and we see luffy /sanji/ zoro having their attack combination
still maintaining their hierarchy

And the reason behind why isn't sanji in WG should be obvious.....
zoro got his bounty from wiskey peaks
while sanji was the MVP of both Little Garden and Alabasta... yet he didn't get his bounty..
his first bounty was after enies lobby and that was off 77 mil... if World G knew what role he played in SHPs success he would have gotten a bounty post alabasta which wouldn't be less than a 30mil...then his bounty would have exceeded 100 mil making him a part WG



so the obvious reason being him being under the radar... that quality about sanji makes him so unnoticed...

The thing with post time skip is that.. things aren't that linear.. they are hectic... like zoro and sanji haven't had a well deserved fight since pretime skip to show their ceiling.. but from what is shown even in Post timeskip they still seem relative.

So that the reason why oda doesn't have sanji in WG.. nit because he is not to their level its because. he's better under the radar

and why oda has zoro with luffy is coz he is the Vice CAP... just like killer in WG..

so oda shows characters acting claiming that why isn't he the captain coz of his strength... but he also shown that his everyday chef rivals him at that..

 

[Zowo]

You don't need to give lots of hypes for support characters

gag character*

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Literally the only thing Sanji has is the fanmade term "Monster Trio", and even then, the only times we see him fight someone who isn't fodder, he gets his ass beat.

Meanwhile Oda continues to give Luffy and Zoro godly portrayal and hype in comparison to Sanji.

Hell, even Jinbe has much greater hype than Sanji.

Not to mention Sanji just got defeated by a Flying 6 and saved by Robin lol.

Why does Oda treat Sanji like this?

Cause Oda is a tsundere to characters like Sanji
Dragging him through the mud is his way to show affection to that character I guess... He thinks that's funny and awesome...
in fact, Sanji's popularity in Japan has risen due to the last two arcs... which were met by disappointment and anger from people "outside Japan"

But for Oda, he literally doesn't give a shit about you or me... for him, we are mere minority from fanbase, while majority of fanbase for One Piece are located in Japan... and to them, This Sanji pervy scenes, nosebleed, invading bath scenes, getting wrecked by women, and making many gag scenes while having less serious intimidating Sanji is working well with that fanbase...

So, Oda has his own agenda by doing that, despite me hating those moves from Oda

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Damm some of ya'll obsessively hate Sanji, did he fuck your wife the same way he did with Oda's

 

[Shelby]

How does Sanji have little hype? We just found out a Flying Six would be hurt from punching him if Sanji activated his haki.

 

[Erkan12]

He has all the type of hypes, but he gets shitted on due to the reasons I explained in my ''why Oda favors Zoro more'' thread,

These are two different things, Sanji will always gets shitted on more than Zoro, or even Luffy can get shitted on more than Zoro, but Luffy's hype will be on a completely different level than Zoro's hype always.

I don't think Sanji's hype is any lesser than Zoro's, especially when Sanji is currently in a situation where he can make fun of Zoro due to surpassing him in bounty, and Luffy without joking saying that Sanji's CoO is superior to his, though its not true, still Luffy believes that's possible for Sanji to be superior to him in a Haki class.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

How does Sanji have little hype? We just found out a Flying Six would be hurt from punching him if Sanji activated his haki.

I love how once Sanji showed to completely outclass a Tobi Roppo two headcanons appeared. That Page One is the weakest Tobi Roppo and that Sanji was incapable of hurting page one.

 

[Shelby]

I love how once Sanji showed to completely outclass a Tobi Roppo two headcanons appeared. That Page One is the weakest Tobi Roppo and that Sanji was incapable of hurting page one.

Page One is portrayed as the weakest. But Sanji can defeat any Tobi Roppo.

 

[Formerly Seth]

especially when Sanji is currently in a situation where he can make fun of Zoro due to surpassing him in bounty,

"Reasons"

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Page One is portrayed as the weakest. But Sanji can defeat any Tobi Roppo.

Is he? I haven’t seen any reason to assume he’s weaker than the others

 

[Shelby]

Is he? I haven’t seen any reason to assume he’s weaker than the others

When they were discussing which one of them could become the next Calamity, one of them singled out Page One and said he had no chance. Another point is that Page One is about to get defeated by someone in the Weak Trio.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

When they were discussing which one of them could become the next Calamity, one of them singled out Page One and said he had no chance. Another point is that Page One is about to get defeated by someone in the Weak Trio.

I’m pretty sure they said that because of Sanji. And that was just Whos Who, he just seems to be overconfident.

And Kalifa was bested by Nami and with her devil fruit power I wouldn’t put her below Frankys opponent in Enies Lobby

 

[Shelby]

I’m pretty sure they said that because of Sanji. And that was just Whos Who, he just seems to be overconfident.

And Kalifa was bested by Nami and with her devil fruit power I wouldn’t put her below Frankys opponent in Enies Lobby

Who said what because of Sanji? And didn’t Kalifa have the lowest douriki out of all of CP-9? So ya she was the weakest. That being said, Sanji can destroy any Tobi Roppo easily so it doesn’t matter.

 

[Just a member]

Oda has to hype Luffy, as epr usual (beloved mc).

Oda has to hype Zoro, we totally.missed him in WCI and now we are in the land of the swordsman, the land of Ryuma, 99% the place where Zoro belongs to, there is also the dragon reference, so Zoro wipl shine almost as.mich as Luffy.

He has to hype Yamato, supposing she is a new SH, since she is a new SH.

Maybe hype a bit Jinbe as well but not so much.

Sanji had his arc in WCI and now that he had plenty of attention he can be let to rest a bit. Also Oda is abusing the comedic side of his character. But most likely later he will get his hype as well (Queen and or maybe take part in the roof top battle).

 

[Chrono]

Sanji just got hype that a Tobbi Roppo with knucklebusters would hurt her hand on his CoA. And CoA ain't even his speciality lol.