Character Discussion Why does Old Rayleigh have such a fearsome reputation despite being irrelevant in his prime?

Is there more to prime Rayleigh that hasn't been revealed yet?

  • Yes, Oda is saving Rayleigh lore for later

    Votes: 29 78.4%

  • No, all Rayleigh's hype is fake

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • Total voters
    37
Blazing Lion

Blazing Lion

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#21
#21
When things are talked about the faction leaders are mentioned hence why Rayleigh is not mentioned in God Valley incident. However for personal accomplishments the crew members are also recognized. Rayleigh has that clout because he himself has those accomplishments which led to him become part of history books and why people freak out when they find its him. And that Garp called him a legend alongside WB, the same Garp who fought alongside Roger pirates (Rayleigh most likely part of it) against Rocks (WB was part of it). So it is not fake clout.

As for the feats themselves, the manga clearly shows how old retired Ray stalled a prime navy Admiral. Even older Ray scared a Yonko away.
 
ArturCantSpeakJapanese

ArturCantSpeakJapanese

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#28
#28
Sugoi said:
No matter how strong or weak you think Rayleigh is compared to the other old era characters, no one can deny the fearsome reputation he has in the one piece world. Everyone has a hypegasm whenever he appears "OMG ITS THE LEGENDARY DARK KING RAYLEIGH NO WAY". A legend written in so many books

"Do you want the marines to take on 2 legends at the same time"- Garp calling Rayleigh a legend alongside whitebeard
Recently even yonko blackbeard ran away from him




But it's not just his reputation, Rayleigh has been very relevant as well, being the person to save camie in shabondy, protecting the strawhats from kizaru, teaching luffy haki, accompanying him back to marineford and seeing him off, saving boa and driving blackbeard away

However, when we go in to flashbacks and see rayleigh in his prime, all this hype and relevence seems non existent. Oda shows Roger clashing with Whitebeard, Roger and Garp taking on the rocks pirates, oden fighting kaido, shiki escaped impel down and fought garp and sengoku, but where is rayleigh in all this? who is rayleigh fighting? Oda doesnt even bother drawing rayleigh in the battle with rocks...




So why is rayleigh called the dark king? epithets aren't created out of nothing, there has to be a reason. For example, knew garp was called the "hero of the marines" back since chapter 423, but we only found out why he is called that hundreds of chapters later when he got lore about rocks. That's why I think rayleigh must have done something to be known as the dark king, which hasn't been revealed to us yet. It definently feels like something is missing. If there really isnt anymore to rayleigh than what we've seen then all the hype surrounding him just doesnt make any sense
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Even though it seems like Roger took the same route Luffy did through Paradise according to the Oden flashback, I wonder why Roger was never shown in Alabasta? Rayleigh is old enough to be Cobra's father. Maybe he had a bad reputation before he left to go drinking and gambling as a homeless man.



Young Rayleigh's clothes here also resemble Alabasta clothes. The wide folded over belt in particular is shared by many Alabasta characters.
 
matt245

matt245

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#30
#30
ArturCantSpeakJapanese said:


Even though it seems like Roger took the same route Luffy did through Paradise according to the Oden flashback, I wonder why Roger was never shown in Alabasta? Rayleigh is old enough to be Cobra's father. Maybe he had a bad reputation before he left to go drinking and gambling as a homeless man.



Young Rayleigh's clothes here also resemble Alabasta clothes. The wide folded over belt in particular is shared by many Alabasta characters.
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Dark King's drip 🥶
 
BoaHancocksHusband

BoaHancocksHusband

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#40
#40
Sugoi said:
No matter how strong or weak you think Rayleigh is compared to the other old era characters, no one can deny the fearsome reputation he has in the one piece world. Everyone has a hypegasm whenever he appears "OMG ITS THE LEGENDARY DARK KING RAYLEIGH NO WAY". A legend written in so many books

"Do you want the marines to take on 2 legends at the same time"- Garp calling Rayleigh a legend alongside whitebeard
Recently even yonko blackbeard ran away from him




But it's not just his reputation, Rayleigh has been very relevant as well, being the person to save camie in shabondy, protecting the strawhats from kizaru, teaching luffy haki, accompanying him back to marineford and seeing him off, saving boa and driving blackbeard away

However, when we go in to flashbacks and see rayleigh in his prime, all this hype and relevence seems non existent. Oda shows Roger clashing with Whitebeard, Roger and Garp taking on the rocks pirates, oden fighting kaido, shiki escaped impel down and fought garp and sengoku, but where is rayleigh in all this? who is rayleigh fighting? Oda doesnt even bother drawing rayleigh in the battle with rocks...




So why is rayleigh called the dark king? epithets aren't created out of nothing, there has to be a reason. For example, knew garp was called the "hero of the marines" back since chapter 423, but we only found out why he is called that hundreds of chapters later when he got lore about rocks. That's why I think rayleigh must have done something to be known as the dark king, which hasn't been revealed to us yet. It definently feels like something is missing. If there really isnt anymore to rayleigh than what we've seen then all the hype surrounding him just doesnt make any sense
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Katakuri and Hyogorou>>>>MidLay
 
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