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#41
Didnt Kaidou lost 7 times before though? If Kaidou is world's strongest creature then how about Luffy being the world's most technical fighter? So not necessarily stronger by raw power but by technique and fighting tactics, those details and technicalities.
Kaido lost in the past when he wasnt the worlds strongest probably to people like Roger, garp, WB, Big Meme, etc
It is different now
 
#42
Kaido lost in the past when he wasnt the worlds strongest probably to people like Roger, garp, WB, Big Meme, etc
It is different now
Even if the 1 vs 1 proposed in this thread is just the final round? I'm thinking if Luffy getting team fight to beat Kaidou even in the final round, Luffy is not worthy at all to be PK. Luffy needs the development of strength here, in this arc, in order to be worthy to even hope to stand along BB and furthermore Imu. Having to possibly consecutively face two or three of these: BB, BM, Akainu, Kizaru, Kong, Imu in the next each 2-3 arc while having no sufficient strength to 1 vs 1 Kaidou even just in the final round of Wano, would be biggest ass pull ever. if Luffy cant accomplish that here, he's going to need an even bigger leap of power in the future, which is absurd.
 
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#43
didnt u hear they said its a raid. so there will be
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#44
Hi, 🖐 today I've got a little bit of free time so Idecided to use that and finally address my views on Luffy vs Kaido, If you've been paying attention to my comments you probably know that I'm not a big fan of team fights and it's not a "Luffy vs Kaido" issue, it's just that I don't like team fights in general but before we start I wanna warn you that you should read this till the end, if you haven't read this till the end then please don't write any comments and don't say anything.

My issues with team fights
this part is just my views on team fights it has nathing to do with one piece, at least for now.

I have a mortal arts background and even though I have never been in any major competition in that area I still got my black belts. In whole my life because of my environment that I grew up, because of people that I know and respect (such as my coach), because of my personality and life experience "I considered and still considere" team fight as THE MOST UNMANLY THING that man can do. For me, when someone needs the help of his frends to fight and stand up for himself he's a caword, a man should stand up for himself by himself and it's not about victory but whether you have what it takes to be a man. You're not a man just because you have a d:ck and balls, a man is samthing that you deserve to be called if you behave like a MAN, I feel like that ward "man" last its meaning and weight in nowadays. There has been moments in my life when I had a dispute with someone who was older, bigger and stronger than I was, but still, I fought by myself and got my ass kicked off 😂😂😂, but I traind, became stronger and than I kicked his ass off in return 😉, Luffy, and one piece in general have the same philosophy.

Philosophy of dreams and what it takes to be a man
Form early on Luffy had a strong sense of honor and manhood, although he didn't know when those qualities should be shown and used, he still got them for example

Like I said Luffy doesn't know when a man should stand up for himself and for his frends but he knows that a man should do that to be a man nonetheless, Shanks as someone older and wiser than Luffy has some explaining to do, bu that's not the point, the point is that Luffy has that strong sense of manliness and what it takes to be a man since he was a Kid and that strong sense of manliness has been present throughout the one piece. Ussop has the same ideology as Luffy and that's intentional since unlike Luffy Ussop is known as caword but what Oda is trying to tell us is that being afraid doesn't mean you're a caword, you're a caword if you fight unfair, you're a caword when you need your frends to be brave. Ussop explains that to Nami in Little Garden (it's not the best explanation but it's better than headcanon) Ussop says this

Dorry and Brogy could have used poison or help of their frends to defeat each other but then they would be cawords, they are fighting to prove themselves that they have what it takes to be a man, that they have what it takes to be a warrior, let's see what Luffy says about it

Well, that's as straight as it gets. Luffy literally confirms what I've been talking about, Dorry also explains his decision to Luffy and Vivi, the reason why he decided to fight against Brogy dispite being wounded, dispite having almost 0 chances to Win.

What Dorry is saying is that it doesn't matter whether you're ready or not, it doesn't matter whether you're opponent fights unfair or not but what truly matters, is if you have what it takes to be a man, to stick to your guns and fight against all odds, to prove yourself that you're a man, you are a warrior and as Dorry said "to lose my good name would be to lose my very self" and Luffy sticks with the same ideology as we saw in fight against Katakuri

Luffy doesn't expect his opponents to fight fair they are pairets after all, but he himself has a standards of manliness that he can't betray, he can't team up with someone else to defeat his opponents, defeating your opponents for Luffy is a test of manliness, it doesn't matter if you get defeated, you always can train and come back and if you were unlucky enough to be killed in a fight, then except it as true a man. Yes, there are moments when Luffy can get help from outside sources but not in fighting, Luffy can be saved by someone else from dying, or Luffy can get advices from someone during the fighting but Luffy will not except a team fight. Sometimes, Luffy has no interest in the fight itself since the opponent isn't strong enough to be a challenge but strong enough to hold Luffy for hours, in that case Luffy will except a help in order to get rid off certain characters for example Luffy, Sanji, Ussop vs Satori

Again the opponent is not strong enough to be a challenge for Luffy but he's strong enough to push Luffy mid/ high diff and hald him for hours in this case Luffy doesn't care how, but he needs to get red off him as efficiently as possible because he can't stuck there, or another example Luffy and Nami vs Cracker

Similar case, the oponnent is not strong enough to push Luffy extrem Diff and Luffy needs to get rid off him as fast as possible, but when he's serious and the fight itself is a challenge for Luffy then he will fight by himself, he will not except team fight, Luffy needs to know whether he has what it takes to be a man, like in fight against Katakuri

Katakuri is a challenge for Luffy and Luffy wants to surpass him, do you think Luffy would except a help in fight against Katakuri? Hell no, it would go against Luffy's ideology, it would mean that Luffy is a caword, that he isn't a man

Again, Ussop described it in Little Garden, it's not about victory but whether you worthy or not, it's about live in way that will not regret

Ace had same ideology, he lived in way that he would not regret, he could have escaped allowing Akainu to say whatever he wanted to say about Whitbeard, but would he be a man after that? Here what he said to Blackbeard about living his life with no regret

Blackbeard doesn't understand that, for him victory no matter the cost is the way of his life and that's the deference between Luffy and Blackbeard

Luffy and Blackbeard are very similar with one and only deference that Luffy wants to achieve his dream in right way, he wants to find out whether he has what it to be a Pairet king while Blackbeard wants victory no matter the cost, Luffy and Blackbeard like things that the other dosen't like and vice versa.

Blackbeard killed Whitbeard using Marians, Shichibukai, his crew he chose the easy road, he wanted the victory while Luffy can't do that, Luffy is the opposite of BB just Like Ace is the opposite of Akainu

Ace died for what he stood for and that is a honorable and manly death and some of WG fans aren't man enough to except that. Akainu is deferent he doesn't care about words, he doesn't care whether the fight is fair or not he let other Marians to help him just like Blackbeard did with his crew

Honor and manliness are two big themes that Oda will never betray (at least I hope so) and even as far as in WCI we had those themes around


Katakuri is falower of the same ideology that Luffy, Ace, Ussop, Kaido and many others are using to prove their worthiness

Katakuri doesn't want to win a fight in way that he can't prove himself as the winner.

Respect between the enemies
At the end of the day Luffy always got the respect of his enemies with exception of characters like Buggy. Katakuri started to respect Luffy when he proved himself worthy, when he proved himself a man

There's a pattern in those kind of things for example, the mane character is disrespected by the antagonist but down the line they are starting to respect the mane character for his will power, for what he stands for etc.


Kaido specifically tells to Oden that he respects him when at the beginning they had different relationships. Kaido also doesn't like unfair fights, he respects strength and wanna have a fair fight to find out who is the strongest just like Luffy

Look what Kaido thinks about Luffy, he thinks that Luffy is a brat that plays Pairet games, he also called him incredibly weak in the anime.

Do you think Kaido will respect Luffy after seeing that he teamed up with Kid, Law to defeat him? Hell no, he will disrespect Luffy even more like (I defeated you and the you brought your frends to help you? Fuck:ng caword) if you want a team fight you're basically want Luffy to be a caword. Team fight goes against everything Luffy stands for, it goes against one piece's philosophy and frankly spiking in team fight against Kaido I would cheer for Kaido. For me Luffy, Kid, Law vs Kaido would looks like samthing like this

While there will be people that will interrupt the fight between Luffy and Kaido which will make Luffy angry, it's fair to assume that the final fight is going to be 1v1.

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nah dude. aint no way luffy is gonna be able to do shit to kaido without any sort of help.
 
#46
Even if the 1 vs 1 proposed in this thread is just the final round? I'm thinking if Luffy getting team fight to beat Kaidou even in the final round, Luffy is not worthy at all to be PK. Luffy needs the development of strength here, in this arc, in order to be worthy to even hope to stand along BB and furthermore Imu. Having to possibly consecutively face two or three of these: BB, BM, Akainu, Kizaru, Kong, Imu in the next each 2-3 arc while having no sufficient strength to 1 vs 1 Kaidou even just in the final round of Wano, would be biggest ass pull ever. if Luffy cant accomplish that here, he's going to need an even bigger leap of power in the future, which is absurd.
Agreed Luffy needs to 1 vs 1 Kaido!Future power ups:Awakening and Gear5!Final war Luffy will have no problem with his Haki,will do gatling red hawk/red rock and will be able to shuffle between Gear4 forms!
 
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#48
Tell me one thing, so you think police, army and security people should work with their bare hands and alone facing 1v1 situations instead of team up against criminals etc?
 
#49
Hi, 🖐 today I've got a little bit of free time so Idecided to use that and finally address my views on Luffy vs Kaido, If you've been paying attention to my comments you probably know that I'm not a big fan of team fights and it's not a "Luffy vs Kaido" issue, it's just that I don't like team fights in general but before we start I wanna warn you that you should read this till the end, if you haven't read this till the end then please don't write any comments and don't say anything.

My issues with team fights
this part is just my views on team fights it has nathing to do with one piece, at least for now.

I have a mortal arts background and even though I have never been in any major competition in that area I still got my black belts. In whole my life because of my environment that I grew up, because of people that I know and respect (such as my coach), because of my personality and life experience "I considered and still considere" team fight as THE MOST UNMANLY THING that man can do. For me, when someone needs the help of his frends to fight and stand up for himself he's a caword, a man should stand up for himself by himself and it's not about victory but whether you have what it takes to be a man. You're not a man just because you have a d:ck and balls, a man is samthing that you deserve to be called if you behave like a MAN, I feel like that ward "man" last its meaning and weight in nowadays. There has been moments in my life when I had a dispute with someone who was older, bigger and stronger than I was, but still, I fought by myself and got my ass kicked off 😂😂😂, but I traind, became stronger and than I kicked his ass off in return 😉, Luffy, and one piece in general have the same philosophy.

Philosophy of dreams and what it takes to be a man
Form early on Luffy had a strong sense of honor and manhood, although he didn't know when those qualities should be shown and used, he still got them for example

Like I said Luffy doesn't know when a man should stand up for himself and for his frends but he knows that a man should do that to be a man nonetheless, Shanks as someone older and wiser than Luffy has some explaining to do, bu that's not the point, the point is that Luffy has that strong sense of manliness and what it takes to be a man since he was a Kid and that strong sense of manliness has been present throughout the one piece. Ussop has the same ideology as Luffy and that's intentional since unlike Luffy Ussop is known as caword but what Oda is trying to tell us is that being afraid doesn't mean you're a caword, you're a caword if you fight unfair, you're a caword when you need your frends to be brave. Ussop explains that to Nami in Little Garden (it's not the best explanation but it's better than headcanon) Ussop says this

Dorry and Brogy could have used poison or help of their frends to defeat each other but then they would be cawords, they are fighting to prove themselves that they have what it takes to be a man, that they have what it takes to be a warrior, let's see what Luffy says about it

Well, that's as straight as it gets. Luffy literally confirms what I've been talking about, Dorry also explains his decision to Luffy and Vivi, the reason why he decided to fight against Brogy dispite being wounded, dispite having almost 0 chances to Win.

What Dorry is saying is that it doesn't matter whether you're ready or not, it doesn't matter whether you're opponent fights unfair or not but what truly matters, is if you have what it takes to be a man, to stick to your guns and fight against all odds, to prove yourself that you're a man, you are a warrior and as Dorry said "to lose my good name would be to lose my very self" and Luffy sticks with the same ideology as we saw in fight against Katakuri

Luffy doesn't expect his opponents to fight fair they are pairets after all, but he himself has a standards of manliness that he can't betray, he can't team up with someone else to defeat his opponents, defeating your opponents for Luffy is a test of manliness, it doesn't matter if you get defeated, you always can train and come back and if you were unlucky enough to be killed in a fight, then except it as true a man. Yes, there are moments when Luffy can get help from outside sources but not in fighting, Luffy can be saved by someone else from dying, or Luffy can get advices from someone during the fighting but Luffy will not except a team fight. Sometimes, Luffy has no interest in the fight itself since the opponent isn't strong enough to be a challenge but strong enough to hold Luffy for hours, in that case Luffy will except a help in order to get rid off certain characters for example Luffy, Sanji, Ussop vs Satori

Again the opponent is not strong enough to be a challenge for Luffy but he's strong enough to push Luffy mid/ high diff and hald him for hours in this case Luffy doesn't care how, but he needs to get red off him as efficiently as possible because he can't stuck there, or another example Luffy and Nami vs Cracker

Similar case, the oponnent is not strong enough to push Luffy extrem Diff and Luffy needs to get rid off him as fast as possible, but when he's serious and the fight itself is a challenge for Luffy then he will fight by himself, he will not except team fight, Luffy needs to know whether he has what it takes to be a man, like in fight against Katakuri

Katakuri is a challenge for Luffy and Luffy wants to surpass him, do you think Luffy would except a help in fight against Katakuri? Hell no, it would go against Luffy's ideology, it would mean that Luffy is a caword, that he isn't a man

Again, Ussop described it in Little Garden, it's not about victory but whether you worthy or not, it's about live in way that will not regret

Ace had same ideology, he lived in way that he would not regret, he could have escaped allowing Akainu to say whatever he wanted to say about Whitbeard, but would he be a man after that? Here what he said to Blackbeard about living his life with no regret

Blackbeard doesn't understand that, for him victory no matter the cost is the way of his life and that's the deference between Luffy and Blackbeard

Luffy and Blackbeard are very similar with one and only deference that Luffy wants to achieve his dream in right way, he wants to find out whether he has what it to be a Pairet king while Blackbeard wants victory no matter the cost, Luffy and Blackbeard like things that the other dosen't like and vice versa.

Blackbeard killed Whitbeard using Marians, Shichibukai, his crew he chose the easy road, he wanted the victory while Luffy can't do that, Luffy is the opposite of BB just Like Ace is the opposite of Akainu

Ace died for what he stood for and that is a honorable and manly death and some of WG fans aren't man enough to except that. Akainu is deferent he doesn't care about words, he doesn't care whether the fight is fair or not he let other Marians to help him just like Blackbeard did with his crew

Honor and manliness are two big themes that Oda will never betray (at least I hope so) and even as far as in WCI we had those themes around


Katakuri is falower of the same ideology that Luffy, Ace, Ussop, Kaido and many others are using to prove their worthiness

Katakuri doesn't want to win a fight in way that he can't prove himself as the winner.

Respect between the enemies
At the end of the day Luffy always got the respect of his enemies with exception of characters like Buggy. Katakuri started to respect Luffy when he proved himself worthy, when he proved himself a man

There's a pattern in those kind of things for example, the mane character is disrespected by the antagonist but down the line they are starting to respect the mane character for his will power, for what he stands for etc.


Kaido specifically tells to Oden that he respects him when at the beginning they had different relationships. Kaido also doesn't like unfair fights, he respects strength and wanna have a fair fight to find out who is the strongest just like Luffy

Look what Kaido thinks about Luffy, he thinks that Luffy is a brat that plays Pairet games, he also called him incredibly weak in the anime.

Do you think Kaido will respect Luffy after seeing that he teamed up with Kid, Law to defeat him? Hell no, he will disrespect Luffy even more like (I defeated you and the you brought your frends to help you? Fuck:ng caword) if you want a team fight you're basically want Luffy to be a caword. Team fight goes against everything Luffy stands for, it goes against one piece's philosophy and frankly spiking in team fight against Kaido I would cheer for Kaido. For me Luffy, Kid, Law vs Kaido would looks like samthing like this

While there will be people that will interrupt the fight between Luffy and Kaido which will make Luffy angry, it's fair to assume that the final fight is going to be 1v1.

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Absolute beauty.
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I am also of belief it's going to be 1 vs 1 in end.
 
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