Current Events Why is Oda fucking everything up?

[Herrera95]

You are the one who sucks balls so don't project it to someone else. You don't have the intelligence nor education to analyze the story. Just because Zolo is a fodder like you in real life, doesn't mean the story is bad when he doesn't show him. There is no ret con. If you had had the intelligence to understand you'd have known why Shanks told it was gomu gomu no mi and not the Nika fruit. Would anyone let the young kid live if they found out? What a loser you are. Go become something in life instead of showing why you are a loser here.

Whose ball I'm sucking? I don't even talked about Zoro you are the one bringing him to it.

Zoro is a fodder? Why are you even saying that? Makes no sense at all.

So you think the manga is good based on your headcannon of a theory about Shanks knowing the truth about Nika DF? Fuck that. The DF is very bad written. Oda created a God of his own to justify how Luffy had a rubber body for over 1000 chapters. This is stupid. Nothing on the story connects to this.

Gorosei always knew about Nika DF and never did a shit about it. Don't come with that stupid thing of "if someone finds out Luffy would be killed as a kid". WG made marines kill pregnant and recent baby to prevent Roger lineage to continue but they did nothing more than putting Who's Who in jail for losing Nika DF. And Law DF had a 10bi berry price for it and Sengoku directly envolved.

Post automatically merged: Dec 22, 2022

then you are blind
hope someday you feel what everyone feels
yes
disappointed
it sucks that people still defending him
and I tell you what
Oda just care about money nowdays,he lost his passion in one piece, the rencent arc is boring right ?

People are more interesting in outside events than arc events. Just like the whole wano arc. Everybody wanted to see Reverie results, how the Shichibukai handled marines hunting them, who Teach was after etc.

 

[vikas]

The main issue I see is he is using Science as a convenience tool to explain BS. Be it RS/genetic modification/(whatever queen does) or Artificial DF... no one is stopping it from being mass-produced...but it's not. I know oda is now compensating for the lack of good powers and stuff with science now. But yeah it has lost its edge. DFs were one piece specialty in battle but being so long with DFs not being used for its intended purpose(I mean honestly even if someone has a DF they only have it for convenience of design of the character), it's a throwaway now. And we can see no effort is added when a battle happens involving DFs..i.e. trying to figure out the ability and countering tactics. Haki is also the same...but we all know Haki is just another BS where MC will always win(and most of the time its just ignored).

 

[Logiko]

First of all you don't know what World Building is.

The fact that you choosed me out of all the poster to say that.. peak smartness here.

Changing Luffy DF has nothing to do with World Building

First:
Nothing was changed but the name of the devil fruit for the readers. This was what we call a revelation (I'm sure you know what it is hm?) The fruit, was not changed, in fact Oda has setup this revelation since chapter 1. The fact that Luffy's devil fruit fits entirely his creativity is a pure and narrative proof of that. This is what we call "narrative milking" (but I'm sure you also know what it is also hm?)

Now, let me give you a little throwback to narrative courses I'm sure you already had:

A good revelation is not only a good twist, it's a twist that EXPAND our knowledge of the world AND the character. And the BEST revelations are those that touch directly the psyche of the characters in question. In short, a good revelation not only create a good plot twist, but it TURNS the story upside down in the readers mind.

But I'm sure you already knew that.. hm?

That's exactly what Oda did with the revelation of Luffy's fruit because:

- Oda turned upside down the knowledge we had on the fruit while keeping the revelation coherant.
- Oda turned upside down the knowledge we had of the worldbuilding by revealing what Joyboy really is while keeping the story coherant
- Oda turned upside down the storytelling of Luffy's fighting narration while keeping the fight amazing
- Oda expended the worldbuilding of One Piece by giving us lore on the lost century
- Luffy expended the characterisation of Luffy by giving him the ULTIMATE power for HIM.

In short, what Oda did is not only an amazing revelation, but one of the best revelation in One Piece and in the history of storytelling in general. The "I'm your father" revelation in Star Wars is PALE in narrative comparison.

DF aren't that special since haki was introduced.

They still are, you are reading the story backward

Roger didn't had a DF just lowered their stocks again

No.

The wonderful part means the peak of One Piece sales which was Marineford arc on manga and Enies Lobby on anime.

Sigh... Wrong. The peak One Piece sale happened during Fishmen Island.

2022 the volumes are selling less and less they used to sell

Fallacious, this is not only happening to One Piece but to a lot of properties as well. This is a much larger problem of the entire industry.

Oda balls and learn how to analyze his story.

Well snap.. I thought I did that during 19 years of my life.. It must be a blackout

Post automatically merged: Dec 22, 2022

the rencent arc is boring right ?

Still no.

 

[CensoredbyWG]

First, that has nothing to do with the series getting bad.

Second, did you forget that without Number 18 Goku would never defeat Super 17? That Goten and Trunks played a huge whole on Buu Saga with Piccolo being their tutor? Without Bulma Vegeta would never become SSJ4 and fusion with Goku?

None of those things deny what i Said in the reply, DB Just like pretty much every shonen, had shit ending with lots of plotholes and destroyed Power scalling.

 

[iMaRS_hr]

No, I see and I know. Nothing is ruined here but your nostalgia.

look, i liked gear 5th but it was obviously a retcon because no way oda planned that for over 20 years but that's fine, the only thing i disliked was the name change

 

[Logiko]

no way oda planned that for over 20 years

This is actually one of the easiest twist to plan in advance. And looking at the construction of the narration since chapter 1 and the nature of the fruit during that long period.. I can say with assurance, it was completely planned.

In fact I even think that this was one of Oda's earliest Idea. It would be no surprise if Oda says one day that he had this idea one day watching the Mask or the Looney toons.


This has nothing to do with a retcon. This is a missunderstanding of the term. A retcon is a narrative action that negates the nature of of a narrative device. In this instance, NOTHING was negated appart from the name, the fruit still have the same property, Oda just expended to the ultimate limit the capacities of the fruit and Luffy's imagination power.

THis is pure worldbuilding and pure storytelling. By creating a revelation, we expend on the knowledge of the actual world and the characterisation of the character.

This revelation was a genius idea and this is what Oda does all the times.

 

[NikaInParis]

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Merry Christmas

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

First he made the worst retcon of humankind with Luffy DF, now he is replicating and giving DF like they are candies. Everything that was special and unique in One Piece is being destroyed.

Momo having the only almost perfect replication of a DF was one thing but now Vegapunk can replicate all Shichibukai DFs?

This is going bad to worse!

He can’t replicate Crocodile’s power because it’s a logia

 

[Impact_Dial]

Why is oda running away from my head cannon

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

The main issue I see is he is using Science as a convenience tool to explain BS. Be it RS/genetic modification/(whatever queen does) or Artificial DF... no one is stopping it from being mass-produced...but it's not. I know oda is now compensating for the lack of good powers and stuff with science now. But yeah it has lost its edge. DFs were one piece specialty in battle but being so long with DFs not being used for its intended purpose(I mean honestly even if someone has a DF they only have it for convenience of design of the character), it's a throwaway now. And we can see no effort is added when a battle happens involving DFs..i.e. trying to figure out the ability and countering tactics. Haki is also the same...but we all know Haki is just another BS where MC will always win(and most of the time its just ignored).

Yeah, that's why everybody can build nuclear bombs and nuclear submarines amd travel in space nowadays.
The fact that something is doable, doesn't mean that it can be mass produced.

 

[Steven]

-snip-

Nika fruit was without a doubt a retcon...

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Nika fruit was without a doubt a retcon...

A retcon that didn't even need to happen.
They could have just said that it was Nika's fruit.
But with the reveal of the origina of DFs, it kinda makes more sense in hindsight.
If DF are inherited will, it makes sense for the gom gom to be the inherited willof Nika. But why does it need to be a Zoan?
Could they have just said Nika's will survives in the Gom Gom, and Vegapunk reveal ties it up.

WHY MAKE IT A MITHICAL ZOAN WHEN THERE IS NO TRANSFORMATION!

 

[Impact_Dial]

Nika fruit was without a doubt a retcon...

It wasn't re read skypia come back here and say that again

 

[vikas]

Yeah, that's why everybody can build nuclear bombs and nuclear submarines amd travel in space nowadays.
The fact that something is doable, doesn't mean that it can be mass-produced.

Wut? Ceasar was mass-producing smiles(He was not vegapunk but can mass-produce if needed). Your comparison is abysmal. Are you even thinking? How many nuclear heads are there do you think in say USA or Russia? Far more than enough, space is not getting mass-produced because it's not needed right now. One piece world is not only fictional but also has no rules to follow. What stopped the judge from making more soldiers like his kids? giving people with Exoskeleton? Giving Raid suits? No one. They just don't do it for the plot. What stopped Vegapunk? No one? Why are only a few seraphim made of a few of the former Shichibukai and not made more using better abilities? For plot purposes...there is no reason given. Or do you want to say the WG asked him to not produce them? Science is just used as convenience in one piece. It makes no sense. It's the biggest BS oda could come up with. There are contradictions added in the statements and actions. Its the science fiction of 3 yos who forget what they do in the last page.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Wut? Ceasar was mass-producing smiles(He was not vegapunk but can mass-produce if needed). Your comparison is abysmal. Are you even thinking? How many nuclear heads are there do you think in say USA or Russia? Far more than enough, space is not getting mass-produced because it's not needed right now. One piece world is not only fictional but also has no rules to follow. What stopped the judge from making more soldiers like his kids? giving people with Exoskeleton? Giving Raid suits? No one. They just don't do it for the plot. What stopped Vegapunk? No one? Why are only a few seraphim made of a few of the former Shichibukai and not made more using better abilities? For plot purposes...there is no reason given. Or do you want to say the WG asked him to not produce them? Science is just used as convenience in one piece. It makes no sense. It's the biggest BS oda could come up with. There are contradictions added in the statements and actions. Its the science fiction of 3 yos who forget what they do in the last page.

Are you reading two piece?
Mass production of Smiles was hell.
They did NOT work in most cases, and they had to go through a ton of work to be produced.
Nobody in their right mind would eat a SMILE.
You have no idea how paramisha are made because it's in the spoilers and the chapter is out, but it is different from the SMILES and only one person just discovered how to do it, hence why seraphims are new.
You are talking about fan fiction, tou decided that all those things are
1. Easy to do
2. Possible to do at any time
Which is absolutely not true.
As for judge thing, again, we have no idea how hard is to make those genetic modifications.

 

[Herrera95]

None of those things deny what i Said in the reply, DB Just like pretty much every shonen, had shit ending with lots of plotholes and destroyed Power scalling.

You said that other characters were irrelevant I just proof they weren't.

I already said I'm not defending the shit DBS is but you insist in this point. I'm talking about DB, DBZ and DBGT. What was ruined in those series that are world claimed the best ones? Never heard complaints about DB and DBZ. I've heard complaints about DBGT though.

Post automatically merged: Dec 22, 2022

He can’t replicate Crocodile’s power because it’s a logia

We can't say that already.

 

[Steven]

It wasn't re read skypia come back here and say that again

Lol,i dropped OP after Skypia.Its one of the worst Arcs in fiction.No way in hell i read that shit again

 

[Herrera95]

The fact that you choosed me out of all the poster to say that.. peak smartness here.



First:
Nothing was changed but the name of the devil fruit for the readers. This was what we call a revelation (I'm sure you know what it is hm?) The fruit, was not changed, in fact Oda has setup this revelation since chapter 1. The fact that Luffy's devil fruit fits entirely his creativity is a pure and narrative proof of that. This is what we call "narrative milking" (but I'm sure you also know what it is also hm?)

Now, let me give you a little throwback to narrative courses I'm sure you already had:

A good revelation is not only a good twist, it's a twist that EXPAND our knowledge of the world AND the character. And the BEST revelations are those that touch directly the psyche of the characters in question. In short, a good revelation not only create a good plot twist, but it TURNS the story upside down in the readers mind.

But I'm sure you already knew that.. hm?

That's exactly what Oda did with the revelation of Luffy's fruit because:

- Oda turned upside down the knowledge we had on the fruit while keeping the revelation coherant.
- Oda turned upside down the knowledge we had of the worldbuilding by revealing what Joyboy really is while keeping the story coherant
- Oda turned upside down the storytelling of Luffy's fighting narration while keeping the fight amazing
- Oda expended the worldbuilding of One Piece by giving us lore on the lost century
- Luffy expended the characterisation of Luffy by giving him the ULTIMATE power for HIM.

In short, what Oda did is not only an amazing revelation, but one of the best revelation in One Piece and in the history of storytelling in general. The "I'm your father" revelation in Star Wars is PALE in narrative comparison.





They still are, you are reading the story backward



No.



Sigh... Wrong. The peak One Piece sale happened during Fishmen Island.



Fallacious, this is not only happening to One Piece but to a lot of properties as well. This is a much larger problem of the entire industry.



Well snap.. I thought I did that during 19 years of my life.. It must be a blackout

Post automatically merged: Dec 22, 2022

Still no.

You are pretending that I should no you but I don't.

Making up terms doesn't make you a literature expert.

Luffy DF name wasn't the only changed and that is the least of the problems. Like many said would have made much more sense if his DF was actually something related to rubber than a God created by Oda to fill the plotholes.

Luffy is not creative. He is smart when it comes to fighting but he never showed any real creativity. Usopp is creative, Franky is but not Luffy. Luffy was always serious about fighting even Oda putting gags on his fighting Luffy said at least once if not more that he wasn't joking or playing around.

If your hint about Luffy DF real nature being on chapter 1 because you said he got happier then why is he changing his personality from serious one to joke one when awakening?
If you want proper comparison let's talk about DragonBall when since first episode we know Goku is different because he has a tail and we learn that he can turn into a giant Gorilla. Then at DBZ we learn that he is a Sayan. I don't remember well but I guess even at DB we learned that he is an alien.
Now let's talk about Naruto when out of nowhere it is said that he is a reincarnation of a Alien God or something.
Let's talk about Bleach where our of nowhere Ichigo is also a Quincy.
One Piece is on pair of Naruto and Bleach creepyness and not on level of DBZ greatness.

I never tried to pretend I'm a literature expert like you said but correcting you about World Building was easy.

Just like you said a good revelation expand our knowledge about the series and the character. This happens with Goku being a Sayan but not with Luffy, Naruto or Ichigo.

Oda changing Luffy DF just made plotholes and destroyed Luffy character since we now apply everything Luffy had accomplished by his DF and not self work because Zoans have a mind of their own and influences on the user.

Oda didn't said a shit about JoyBoy other than be an old Nika DF user and knowing Zunesha.

The current fighting style of Luffy sucks. Oda even regretted and made Luffy being serious at the final clash with Kaido.

Like I said Oda destroyed the character of Luffy. And if this is the ultimate power it means he won't have any power up again. Right? Do you really think so?

Don't you ever try to compare the shit of One Piece to the master piece Star Wars original trilogy is. I'm your father is a saying known by the whole world and repeated constantly through generations. No one is doing the same with Luffy DF revelation.

Then you are just giving empty and dataless counter arguments. "No" is a big argument though.

Oh and yeah we are seeing how every manga is being affected by sales with KnY, JJK etc. I'm talking about One Piece best volume being 3bi sales at Fishmen Arc while those other series have multiple volumes selling 3-4bi copies.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Lol,i dropped OP after Skypia.Its one of the worst Arcs in fiction.No way in hell i read that shit again

I never thought opinion could just be straight wrong.