Questions & Mysteries Why is Zoro much more relevant than Luffy to the fandom?

[ShishioIsBack]

Those powerups pre skip weren’t haki powerups, I want to follow you guys on your claim of him being this strong since post skip but I don’t see anything. Like that.

Well extreme battles is one way of making Haki stronger but is it the only way?
Because initially when Zoro picked Enma, his Haki wasn't strong enough and his arm shrunk, so Zoro made his Haki stronger up to Enma's standards.

How did he do that?

And certainly is CoA after two years was not the same as when he first unlocked it in Mihawk Island right? I mean Zoro has had exceptionally good CoA, I think we can both agree to that, because you need exceptionally good CoA to tame Enma. So obviously his training with Mihawk did make his Haki stronger periodically or no? Am I trippin?

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He did it with vista but it wasn’t an extreme diff life or death battle adjustment of powerlevel is what I mean.

Well lets say Mihawk is only using 10% of power, can Zoro have a life or death battle with Mihawk only using 10% of his power?

 

[Fujishiro]

You realise it Doesnt have to be extreme diff for mihawk for zoro to be pushed right ? Youre being obtuse for no reason.

Extreme circumstances/fights . I would agree with you if the term didn’t speak for itself my friend.

 

[HA001]

Extreme circumstances/fights . I would agree with you if the term didn’t speak for itself my friend.

He lost a fucking eye bro are you feeling ok ? That how extreme his training was. Youre arguing against yourself here. Training to hard you lose an eye isnt an extreme circumstance now ?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I don't think either of you are necessarily wrong @HA001 @Fujishiro

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He lost a fucking eye bro are you feeling ok ? That how extreme his training was. Youre arguing against yourself here. Training to hard you lose an eye isnt an extreme circumstance now ?

Depends on how he lost that eye, if Mihawk got pissed off and cut his eye and Zoro got knocked out. Is that gonna work?

 

[Fujishiro]

Well extreme battles is one way of making Haki stronger but is it the only way?
Because initially when Zoro picked Enma, his Haki wasn't strong enough and his arm shrunk, so Zoro made his Haki stronger up to Enma's standards.

How did he do that?

And certainly is CoA after two years was not the same as when he first unlocked it in Mihawk Island right? I mean Zoro has had exceptionally good CoA, I think we can both agree to that, because you need exceptionally good CoA to tame Enma. So obviously his training with Mihawk did make his Haki stronger periodically or no? Am I trippin?

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Well lets say Mihawk is only using 10% of power, can Zoro have a life or death battle with Mihawk only using 10% of his power?

Rayleigh was quite clear about it, zoro imo became stronger through gained better haki control and enma being a quality blade. Just like the shusui powerup in TB.

Mihawk as a COA master probably taught him well, but a teacher can only do so much.

im not against the idea as I said if the arguments for it are valid.

sure he can have a life or death battle but the question comes in with in a life or death battle . Mihawk would be going for the kill. While you claim he would be restraining himself greatly to match his student as his teacher , I feel those two things kinda don’t compute.

 

[HA001]

I don't think either of you are necessarily wrong @HA001 @Fujishiro

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Depends on how he lost that eye, if Mihawk got pissed off and cut his eye and Zoro got knocked out. Is that gonna work?

Does mihawk seem like the guy who would randomly get angry and cut his eye and if mihawk got angry and attacked zoro hed lose more than an eye.

 

[Fujishiro]

He lost a fucking eye bro are you feeling ok ? That how extreme his training was. Youre arguing against yourself here. Training to hard you lose an eye isnt an extreme circumstance now ?

Yeah but he lost it to who? Could be someone/something else. And losing limbs/body parts don’t mean you went through an extreme battle, just that you got harmed. Kidd lost a limb, shanks did too. Did they go through extreme battles?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Rayleigh was quite clear about it, zoro imo became stronger through gained better haki control and enma being a quality blade. Just like the shusui powerup in TB.

Mihawk as a COA master probably taught him well, but a teacher can only do so much.

im not against the idea as I said if the arguments for it are valid.

sure he can have a life or death battle but the question comes in with in a life or death battle . Mihawk would be going for the kill. While you claim he would be restraining himself greatly to match his student as his teacher , I feel those two things kinda don’t compute.

Well Mihawk is capable of killing Zoro even while holding back right?
Like Mihawk was massively restraining himself against Luffy but he nearly cut his arm off at one point and his head off at another. And Luffy seemingly had CoO awakening in that fight?

You don't think similar scenario coulda been happened for Zoro?

 

[Fujishiro]

Does mihawk seem like the guy who would randomly get angry and cut his eye and if mihawk got angry and attacked zoro hed lose more than an eye.

Shishio reflected my thoughts, if mihawk is as expert of a swordsman and skilled enough to restrain/match his skill level then yeah he can.

 

[HA001]

Rayleigh was quite clear about it, zoro imo became stronger through gained better haki control and enma being a quality blade. Just like the shusui powerup in TB.

Mihawk as a COA master probably taught him well, but a teacher can only do so much.

im not against the idea as I said if the arguments for it are valid.

sure he can have a life or death battle but the question comes in with in a life or death battle . Mihawk would be going for the kill. While you claim he would be restraining himself greatly to match his student as his teacher , I feel those two things kinda don’t compute.

He fucked zoro up the first time he fought. Look at arlongs reaction to mihawks slash. Youre pushing this notion that mihawk was mollycoddling zoro in training.

 

[Fujishiro]

Well Mihawk is capable of killing Zoro even while holding back right?
Like Mihawk was massively restraining himself against Luffy but he nearly cut his arm off at one point and his head off at another. And Luffy seemingly had CoO awakening in that fight?

You don't think similar scenario coulda been happened for Zoro?

Mihawk obviously wasn’t matching luffys level then when he was going for him. Whereas in this hypothesis of ours he is doing so with zoro. Two different things.

 

[HA001]

Yeah but he lost it to who? Could be someone/something else. And losing limbs/body parts don’t mean you went through an extreme battle, just that you got harmed. Kidd lost a limb, shanks did too. Did they go through extreme battles?

Shanks lost it in a fight that he probably grew from
Shanks from a fish
Zoros was stated to be lost due to his extreme training.

 

[Fujishiro]

He fucked zoro up the first time he fought. Look at arlongs reaction to mihawks slash. Youre pushing this notion that mihawk was mollycoddling zoro in training.

The first time he fucked up zoro he had no respect for him nor knew him as a person, it’s funny you say that but he’s actually started gaining respect after that for him and took an interest in him. His respect for him only grew from then on.

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Shanks lost it in a fight that he probably grew from
Shanks from a fish
Zoros was stated to be lost due to his extreme training.

I’m sorry, I legit don’t understand your first sentence haha.
Headcanon, which is why we’re talking about it right now. Luffy has a big ass scar in the abdomen, did he receive it from extreme training/fight? Nah he got donuted. So let’s not speak in absolutes.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Mihawk obviously wasn’t matching luffys level then when he was going for him. Whereas in this hypothesis of ours he is doing so with zoro. Two different things.

Yeah bur idea is Mihawk can adjust on the power he uses, also true swordsmen pick and chose who to kill like Mihawk did in his first fight with Zoro where he only severely injured Zoro but didn't land a vital blow.

Idk I think if Mihawk holds back appropriate amount of strength but gives Zoro enough trouble for him to go all out and then some to even survive, its possible.

 

[HA001]

The first time he fucked up zoro he had no respect for him nor knew him as a person, it’s funny you say that but he’s actually started gaining respect after that for him and took an interest in him. His respect for him only grew from then on.

Bruh stop now man. Youre talking nonsense.
The whole reason mihawk used yoru on zoro was because he had his respect. And he still almost killed him.

 

[dcarp11]

 

[Fujishiro]

Yeah bur idea is Mihawk can adjust on the power he uses, also true swordsmen pick and chose who to kill like Mihawk did in his first fight with Zoro where he only severely injured Zoro but didn't land a vital blow.

Idk I think if Mihawk holds back appropriate amount of strength but gives Zoro enough trouble for him to go all out and then some to even survive, its possible.

Maybe so! We’ll see in the eventual flashback!
Anyways going back to swimming, the beach is calling heh heh 😏

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Bruh stop now man. Youre talking nonsense.
The whole reason mihawk used yoru on zoro was because he had his respect. And he still almost killed him.

The respect was there but it just started, it grew from there, I believe I said just that in my last post

 

[Khing]

zoro's only more relevant on this forum

 

[ShishioIsBack]

zoro's only more relevant on this forum

Well I see people loosing their shit on YT comments and Facebook One Piece group I was in much more than over Luffy too.

 

[Khing]

Well I see people loosing their shit on YT comments and Facebook One Piece group I was in much more than over Luffy too.

confirmation bias