Chapter Discussion Why isn't Luffy using adCoC? Post your headcanon

[JoNdule]

Prove it

You're the one to prove it's CoC based attack

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

You're the one to prove it's CoC based attack

It looks like this… if this is a CoC attack then Luffy’s attack is a CoC attack

 

[MarineHQ]

Both were seriously injured, yes. And Luffy did beat Kaido - but both of them were spent, and Luffy was spent mostly because of Kaido himself. So I'm not sure Luffy who beat Kaido would have won if both were fresh. I might be wrong, though.

Thing with Kaido vs Luffy to me is that while I see the popular take that Kaido outcasts Luffy who is known for having stamina issues in higher gears, he went toe to toe with Kaido for majority of the fight and that in Base. We also know that Gear 5 final attack overpowered Kaido's strongest attack.

If they run it back I think both would wear each other out and then go for the finish in their respective forms and I believe Luffy is just superior in G5.

Haki-only fighter is more likely to be superior, because given the same amount of training and experience, his haki will be superior to fighter who uses devil fruit as well. Look at Roger and Whitebeard: sure, you might say that they never seriously fought, but even so, every time they clashed they used only haki. I think Whitebeard only started to rely heavily on his devil fruit as his health started failing.

The way you describe it it sounds like the power to destroy the world is a burden to WB. Come on Teach has seen the strongest fight and still came to the conclusion that getting the Darkness and Quake Quake fruit is his ultimate goal to become the strongest.

) Kizaru is the only one of three admirals who got through Marineford more-or-less uninjured. The only major fighter who was uninjured aside from Mihawk, IIRC.

I mean he never had an extensive fight with WB like Akainu did.

) All three admirals are relative to each other. Even if there is difference in strength between them, it cannot be significant.

Agreed

Fact that Kizaru has not fought seriously until now. Akainu and Aokiji had both used their "nickname attacks" (Red Dog and Blue Pheasant) at Marineford. Kizaru only used random-ass attacks.

I believe none of em was even close to showing the full capacity of their abilities in MF. Even Akainu's hell hounds looks like his signature move like Kaido's TB or Shanks's Kamusari.

The only thing that actually makes me think Kizaru may be the weakest of the OG admirals is the fact that he is the first OG admiral post-TS that Luffy is facing one-on-one.

That could also mean that he's the strongest. Not saying he is but a big chunk of the community thinks Katakuri is the strongest commander because he was designed to be beaten by Luffy.

Akainu being Fleet Admiral is irrelevant. Kizaru simply doesn't care about that position - he is perfectly fine following orders. Akainu and Aokiji fought for the Fleet Admiral position because both of them have a version of justice they want to impose on the Marines. Kizaru doesn't - he follows orders, and that's it (though he is getting some more depth recently).

I highly doubt Oda makes an Admiral become the FA with all of them being in their prime and the FA isn't the strongest. Just doesn't make much sense to me.

Add the fact the importance of Akainu with killing Ace and potentially being defeated by Luffy and he has far more reason to be the strongest Admiral

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Oda is intentional dragging out the Chapters so he can land at Elbaf at Ch.1100
Luffy without Acoc is Admiral Tier
Luffy With Acoc is Yonko Tier
Kizaru taking 0 damage thus far is intentional
Luffy using all his stamina by using his more taxing forms will result in him reverting back to base form.
Fatigued* Luffy In Base using Acoc Reduces Kizaru HP from 100% to 0% in a single strike Emphasis there's the Massive Gap Between Yonko and Admiral Status Similar to Whitebeard vs Akainu

Imo* The second Luffy Uses Acoc Kizaru will be defeated similar to Luffy vs Bellamy
Kizaru Dashing around at Lightspeed reflecting off Surfaces going in for a finishing Blow only to be knocked unconscious by a King Pistol*

 

[NAMELESS]

Because Oda wants to hype Kizaru.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Because Luffy can't land a single blow on Wizaru, ACoC or whatever is useless

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

What? First thing Luffy did in the fight is using ACoC from thet get-go.

Don't matter if you coping clowns chose to deny it. It is what its.

 

[Croco boy]

Im fine luffy didnt use adcoc against lucci or seraphim but not using it against kizaru in snakemen form while getting neg diffed despite he started the kick with adcoc?! Lmao Loda at its finest, tho he still want reserve adcoc hype so he can make luffy being underdog for early fight

 

[Dragon777]

Oda is intentional dragging out the Chapters so he can land at Elbaf at Ch.1100
Luffy without Acoc is Admiral Tier
Luffy With Acoc is Yonko Tier
Kizaru taking 0 damage thus far is intentional
Luffy using all his stamina by using his more taxing forms will result in him reverting back to base form.
Fatigued* Luffy In Base using Acoc Reduces Kizaru HP from 100% to 0% in a single strike Emphasis there's the Massive Gap Between Yonko and Admiral Status Similar to Whitebeard vs Akainu

Imo* The second Luffy Uses Acoc Kizaru will be defeated similar to Luffy vs Bellamy
Kizaru Dashing around at Lightspeed reflecting off Surfaces going in for a finishing Blow only to be knocked unconscious by a King Pistol*

I did not think someone still has in him to say out loud that Luffy will oneshot Kizaru, and more ao saying that between an Emperor and an Admiral there is a "massive gap" so deep that one is one shotting the other.

Honestly, I thought even in 2010 this would have been absurd.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

So Doffy and Luffy used AdvCoC in Dressrosa too.

Well based on the fact that they had more black lightning than zoro this chapter yet people are saying zoro used advanced coc. I would assume they also believed based on their own analogy that doffy and luffy did use advanced coc

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What? First thing Luffy did in the fight is using ACoC from thet get-go.

Don't matter if you coping clowns chose to deny it. It is what its.

This pic would imply that gear 5 luffy used advanced coc against Lucci as well.

 

[Aldarion]

Thing with Kaido vs Luffy to me is that while I see the popular take that Kaido outcasts Luffy who is known for having stamina issues in higher gears, he went toe to toe with Kaido for majority of the fight and that in Base. We also know that Gear 5 final attack overpowered Kaido's strongest attack.

If they run it back I think both would wear each other out and then go for the finish in their respective forms and I believe Luffy is just superior in G5.

Agreed.

The way you describe it it sounds like the power to destroy the world is a burden to WB. Come on Teach has seen the strongest fight and still came to the conclusion that getting the Darkness and Quake Quake fruit is his ultimate goal to become the strongest.

When WhiteBeard was in his prime? It probably was a burden. His devil fruit was as much of a danger to his allies as it was to his enemies - we see that at Marineford. So long as he could use Haki, it was probably always a better choice against single opponents (or even groups of opponents, as Garp has shown).

Where I see Devil Fruits as having advantage over Haki is that they are not as dependant on the user himself: basically, Haki has far higher peak of power than a Devli Fruit, but it also grows and drops off more quickly. So a rookie devil fruit user will be more powerful than a rookie Haki user because Devil Fruit is simply easier to use, and old Devil Fruit user will be more powerful than similarly-aged Haki user because Haki is more dependant on person's physical and mental health. But a Haki user in his prime will always win against a similarly skilled Devil Fruit user in his prime.

Also, Teach is a very bad argument here. Matter of the fact is that Teach is the anti-Pirate King. He literally shows us what not to do to become a Pirate King; he is much like Melkor in Lord of the Rings, somebody who is doomed to fail because he has rebelled against God's designs.

I mean he never had an extensive fight with WB like Akainu did.

Agreed.

I believe none of em was even close to showing the full capacity of their abilities in MF. Even Akainu's hell hounds looks like his signature move like Kaido's TB or Shanks's Kamusari.

Well, "full capacity of their abilities" would be using their devil fruit awakenings, which... yeah, not a good idea.

That could also mean that he's the strongest. Not saying he is but a big chunk of the community thinks Katakuri is the strongest commander because he was designed to be beaten by Luffy.

That however would only make sense if Akainu wasn't designated to be beaten by Luffy, which... I don't think is possible. Blackbeard and Akainu are the two people who were directly responsible for Ace's death.

I highly doubt Oda makes an Admiral become the FA with all of them being in their prime and the FA isn't the strongest. Just doesn't make much sense to me.

Add the fact the importance of Akainu with killing Ace and potentially being defeated by Luffy and he has far more reason to be the strongest Admiral

Yeah, makes sense. I don't really care about the "Fleet Admiral" part - after all, Sengoku and Garp were implied to have been on par (Gol Roger literally says "Bring me Sengoku or Garp" when he got bored of beating fodder), yet Sengoku is Fleet Admiral and Garp never went beyond Vice Admiral - but I agree that Akainu does hold the most personal significance for Luffy.

 

[Fleet_AdmiralKoby]

Oda is intentional dragging out the Chapters so he can land at Elbaf at Ch.1100
Luffy without Acoc is Admiral Tier
Luffy With Acoc is Yonko Tier
Kizaru taking 0 damage thus far is intentional
Luffy using all his stamina by using his more taxing forms will result in him reverting back to base form.
Fatigued* Luffy In Base using Acoc Reduces Kizaru HP from 100% to 0% in a single strike Emphasis there's the Massive Gap Between Yonko and Admiral Status Similar to Whitebeard vs Akainu

Imo* The second Luffy Uses Acoc Kizaru will be defeated similar to Luffy vs Bellamy
Kizaru Dashing around at Lightspeed reflecting off Surfaces going in for a finishing Blow only to be knocked unconscious by a King Pistol*

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