Character Discussion Why Kaido is bad written villain?!

#1
When you talk about great villains you sure talk about guys like Aizen(Bleach), Madara, Pain, Orochimaru(Naruto), Meruem(Hunter x Hunter). Could Kaido the Strongest be compared to those villains? Short answer is NO!
So what made those villains that good, and Kaido - that bad?
I would say there are two reasons for that:
1. How villain was portraited from the very begining;
2. How powerful villain is in reality of manga;
Now someone would say that Kaido was portraited as some God of War, case he wasn't able even to kill himself, and case of boredom he wanted to start Great War that will involve everyone. And truth is that before Wano Arc it wasn't lie actually, Kaido portation was really simmilar to someone like Madara. But unlike Madara Kaido's glory didn't live to his name. In reality when Kaido was shown first time in Wano he was hitted by base Luffy, not only once, but Luffy litteraly beat him up, and only moment when Kaido one shotted him, saved the day for Kaido.


The bells was already yelling about fact that something going wrong in One Piece. Later we saw how Kiku, Kinemon, Raizo and other scrubs(not Reayleigh, Garp, but random weak characters) cutted Kaido and made him cry. That moment alone ruined Kaido's fake title of strongest. Unlike Whitebeard who was old and sick, and because of that fact weakened, Kaido was in his prime state. But maybe I'm wrong here? Maybe Kaido is great?

Well, let's compare him to Aizen. When we first time saw Aizen he stopped Ichigo attack with one finger, which was impressive case before that Ichigo defeate Byakuya. Later he fought against every captain and managed to defeat em all.


Captains in Bleach world was Strongest, you will never see how some scrubs who is not captain was able to cut Aizen or make him cry. In fact even Ichigo wasn't able to do that, to made him cry from pain.

We can also compare Kaido with Madara, with same result:


Madara was fighting against everyone and only strongest like Kage was able to scratch him. Before that he was fighting against whole army and no scrub was able to hurt him, not even talking about made him cry.

Do I need even talk about Meruem? He was strongest and he defeated the strongest man in Hunter x Hunter. Could you imagine like some bug attack him and made him cry?
But we don't need to go that far. Even Orochimaru was be able to be hurted only by strongest, or in his weakenest form by Sasuke, case he was close to death, don't even try to say that Kaido's dragon form is his weakest form. Kaido is not in dead state in that form, he is still strong.

Now ofcourse you can say that to be shown as strongest is not the thing that made villains great, but truth is that aside of that Kaido didn't not have a thing that could made him great character, or great villain.
Aizen was crazy scientist whose great schemes made him strongest creature in the World, it was something that he was aiming for. He manipulated everyone and was shown as true genius.
Madara? He was real God of War and even when he lose to his strongest opponent he find the way to became even stronger. He has dream and he was aiming for it, also he was beyond everyone else, case he was talking to every one like to children who don't know how real world works. He was cool and calm, and nothing could stay in his way.
Meruem? He was born as strongest, and we saw how King's guard was shown weaker then him, that was even beyond question. Pitou alone made us feel that s/he was stronger that every character that we saw, except Netero. While Meruem was real genius he was able to learn and adapt to any opponent of situation. So even his last fight he used to became stronger, that was mistake, but using bomb is not really fair way to win the battle.


Kaido is nothing like that. Even when he was younger he won only case use hostage. Still he is called Strongest, but he is not in the end. False legend, fake character...fake villain, that could never be compared to real great villains.
 
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#6
Power level has nothing to do with his status as bad villain so far. It had more to do with his lack of characterization apart from "phisycally strong guy". But in the last few chapters it seemed like his character is finally becoming deeper in this sense.
Great villain cannot be weak villain, it is simple as that, if you don't agree tell me villain that is called great, but was really weak
 
#9
Who said that Villains are judged by their Power?
A Villain can be as weak as Vivi's Father & still be a Fan Favorite or Very Well Written

Liking a Character in itself is something Subjective, so things like Kaidou's Power & Personality & Design ... etc are not to be taken into account when judging his Role as a Villain, they are simply things that certain Readers will love & others hate or feel Neutral about depending on their Preferences.

When you judge Villainy, then there is just one Simple Question to answer, what makes them a Villain?
It's obviously how they relate to Main Character & everything that He is related to (In this Arc it's his Alliance & Wano for example)

Kaidou's Real Story gonna start Next Volume, so i will wait till after that to give my Opinion on him.
But imo, He is very underrated
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#14
I don't think the issue is Kaido, the issue is Oda.
He simply uses too much plot armor, cant keep comedy and cringe smiles out of the fight and cant go through with serious consequences. From the very start, Kaido was designed as a character with low lethality because Oda knew that's the only way for Luffy to be trashed 4-5 times and end up without consequences.

Even for low lethality character, there are still ways how he can be deadly and Oda either makes a joke out of it or completely forgets those options when push comes to shove. For example, the mighty Borobreath that erases hills is turned into a joke when it hits Luffy.
Kaido thinks about crushing Luffy's eyes, brain or heart only while Zoro is there to protect him, when not, he decides to throw him off the island instead...

The issue is Oda, you cant compare villains which are slaughtering everyone to those who aren't allowed to kill anyone...
 
#15
I disagree,by the way power-wise Kaido is fine to me,he is fighting everyone and still a long way to be beaten!
Problem is that aside from power, Kaido has nothing impressive. Madara, Aizen, Meruem was also interesting characters, but Kaido is all about being strongest.
Sorry he is not great villain, just another criminal. If you want to talk about villains that are great but not strongest try to compare Doffy or Road Kamelot with him, imho.
I don't think the issue is Kaido, the issue is Oda.
He simply uses too much plot armor, cant keep comedy and cringe smiles out of the fight and cant go through with serious consequences. From the very start, Kaido was designed as a character with low lethality because Oda knew that's the only way for Luffy to be trashed 4-5 times and end up without consequences.

Even for low lethality character, there are still ways how he can be deadly and Oda either makes a joke out of it or completely forgets those options when push comes to shove. For example, the mighty Borobreath that erases hills is turned into a joke when it hits Luffy.
Kaido thinks about crushing Luffy's eyes, brain or heart only while Zoro is there to protect him, when not, he decides to throw him off the island instead...

The issue is Oda, you cant compare villains which are slaughtering everyone to those who aren't allowed to kill anyone...
I said Kaido is bad written...so yeah it's Oda's fault
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Whole argument in a nutshell
Interesting, so you saying that Kaido is same character as Madara? LOL
 
#16
How can you say that if we know near to nothing about Kaido? He has been hurt because of Odem trauma, the same happened with Big Mom and the photo. And I don't think that 9 scabbard all united aren't strong, remember that there are the cat and the dog in there, and there is even a pirate with a 500 mln bounty (Izo), Denjiro is strong enough to trade blow with Zoro Pre-conqueror. And even in a shock status of I don't remember 5-10 seconds where all of them where on Kaido attacking where he hasn't moved at all, he come out unscathed. I think that the fact Kaido is called strongest is because of his basical physical characteristic, Kaido has been captured, beated, ecc. symply because in One Piece being the strongest creature doesn't mean you are invincible. White Beard should be weaker physically than Kaido but could beat him anyway haki-wise of with the use of his fruit.
 
#18
Problem is that aside from power, Kaido has nothing impressive. Madara, Aizen, Meruem was also interesting characters, but Kaido is all about being strongest.

Sorry he is not great villain, just another criminal. If you want to talk about villains that are great but not strongest try to compare Doffy or Road Kamelot with him, imho.

I said Kaido is bad written...so yeah it's Oda's fault
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Interesting, so you saying that Kaido is same character as Madara? LOL
Tucker is a great, despicable villain and that's not even an argument. Your opinion had been broken and now it is time for you to admit defeat. :kata:

I am not arguing against the fact that Kaido is poorly written, btw, because that much is true and undeniable. :myman:
 
#20
Great villain cannot be weak villain, it is simple as that, if you don't agree tell me villain that is called great, but was really weak
How is Kaido weak??
Because he got hurt by high lvl ryou haki and AdCoC
( only handful of the strongest could use)
??

Most of the villains from other series you're mentioning has great hax abilities that allows them to ignore damage, counter it, or simply dodges it. Kaido is not like them, he has raw durability who just tank incoming attacks.
And with all those damage he took, only few of them could severely damage him.

If Madara get hit by a random shiruken without dodging, or using rinnegan, susanoo etc he will be hurt too. Kaido just straight up tanks damage, and he was fine and continue to fight like it was nothing. Idk what "weak" you're referring to.

Or maybe you think Kaido is really weak, that every time he gets hurt he lose 20% of his HP lol.
 
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