Speculations Why most of those who have CoC haki didn't use it like Luffy use it?is that because he is CoC specialist?role in Onigashima battle

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ardym

#1
We already have many confirmed CoC users but majority of them didn't use it even when it should have been advantage for them.
in MF we had Sengoku and WB , if one of them used it he could eliminate the majority of the foot soldiers of their enemy.
BM used only once consciously as she was asked about Caramel and unconsciously as the portrait was destroyed, but she didn't knock that many with it , despite the difference in power usually her CoC should have at least knocked Nami, Carrot and Chopper but they were not bothered at all.
and then you have people like Chinjao and Doffy who seems pretty good with it but the effect of their CoC haki is low and they seem to take a stance of concentrating than use it.
Katakuri seemed to pretty good in using it but he used it in sync with Luffy so i am not so sure how good he is.
then we have Rayleigh and Shanks who are really good in using it especially Shanks as he used it on WB ship.
Luffy used it in Amazon lilly , impel down and MF , he used it unconsciously but his usage was really effective .
he used it in Fishman island and knocked 50000 in a second , sure they were weak but that still he was precise and casual in his usage
Katakuri was forced to send all of his soldiers to the mirror world because he saw Luffy knock them all at once.
well the reactions to Luffy's usage in MF was a shock in the faces of the admirals , Sengoku and even WB , Sengoku and WB were shocked why , they themselves are confirmed user why would that shock them , they could have use it as well in the same fashion as Luffy used it in Fishman island if they could and would not let their soldiers fight so many people .
and why everyone decided to end the battle as Shanks showed up , he and his crew are sure strong but not that many , if i have to guess i would say Shanks is one like Luffy who makes use of CoC and would have annihilated the majority of the marines in one glare .
it seems like not every CoC user can use it at will like Luffy and that would explain the shock on the faces of the top tiers in MF.
Shanks has only a small crew , WB, BB, Kaido and BM have fleets and amassing thousand in their crews (especially BM and Kaido)
the question why do they need that , they are as powerful as Shanks when it comes to individual strength if they can CoC haki like Luffy and Shanks.
so if i have to assume large numbers doesn't mean anything against the likes of Luffy and Shanks and that is primary because of their CoC usage.
now Luffy and Co are going to Onigashima and the number of their enemies is 30000 , will we see Luffy again decimate the number of enemy again?Luffy is far stronger and his CoC should really be able to knock at least 10000-20000 of the enemy. some would argue that Kaido and BM can use it too but i really doubt that , Sengoku and WB didn't use it either.
what do you think?
 
#2
Yeah, I agree but Luffy is skilled & talented in Haki in general. So him using it like that is not suprising. Luffy has also got very strong Haki, especially for his age. Hyougoro said If Luffy was able to us eAdvanced Armament Haki, he would be able to Block Big Mom's attack completely.

Old Man Hyougoro used it to Block Big Mom's attack without dying.
 
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ardym

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Yeah, I agree but Luffy is skilled & talented in Haki in general. So him using it like that is not suprising. Luffy has also got very strong Haki, especially for his age. Hyougoro said If Luffy was able to us eAdvanced Armament Haki, he would be able to Block Big Mom's attack completely.

Old Man Hyougoro used it to Block Big Mom's attack without dying.
yeah but those characters are there for ages , i think it is not about being skilled but just because they cannot utilize it the way Luffy does so Oda gave many of them CoC haki but it seems only CoC specialists are the ones who are feared . no one tremble because of Doffy , Katakuri , Chinjao in fear , though they all have CoC haki. but as Luffy used it in MF , the admirals were shocked , they for sure realized something more than the fact that he has the ability alone . then it doesn't make sense why would they fear a little boy who has when they have the likes of Sengoku who has it as well. so i think it is about the fact that they realize that Luffy can use it they way he used it to stop Ace's execution
 
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yeah but those characters are there for ages , i think it is not about being skilled but just because they cannot utilize it the way Luffy does so Oda gave many of them CoC haki but it seems only CoC specialists are the ones who are feared . no one tremble because of Doffy , Katakuri , Chinjao in fear , though they all have CoC haki. but as Luffy used it in MF , the admirals were shocked , they for sure realized something more than the fact that he has the ability alone . then it doesn't make sense why would they fear a little boy who has when they have the likes of Sengoku who has it as well. so i think it is about the fact that they realize that Luffy can use it they way he used it to stop Ace's execution
People do not use Conqueror's haki like Luffy and Shanks do, especially since we've seen Luffy using it while unconscious.

Dropping many of people at once must be a a rare skill of Conquerors Haki.

Luffy also uses the CoC haki to tame animals, like Shanks which I assume is a rare skill.

Fishmen Island Luffy dropped 50 000 enemies. Keep in mind Shanks could drop 100 000 enemies including Hordy.

That is half of Shanks CoC Haki strength.

Which is crazy since Luffy has gotten a lot stronger fighting Doflamingo, Cracker and Katakuri, with his Haki haven grown stronger in those fights.

Not just that but his physical strength training with seastone cuffs weakening him, blocking his devil fruit and haki make his base stronger.

This seastone trainings make him stronger overall, considering his Gears rely on his base strength.

Remember what Rayleigh said Conquerors Haki grows with the user. Luffy had grown a lot since Fishmen Island in physical strength, haki and endurance.

Luffy's Conquerors Haki can probably knock around 85 000 of the new fishmen Pirates now.
 
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ardym

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for me it seems that not everyone who has CoC haki can use it to knock people , maybe those who are not specialized in CoC haki , have only limited use of the ability
 
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for me it seems that not everyone who has CoC haki can use it to knock people , maybe those who are not specialized in CoC haki , have only limited use of the ability
I agree, especially how Luffy's Coc took out strong people at Marineford.
 
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ardym

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,BM' use of CoC in the party was done unconsciously like Luffy but what harmed them was merely her loud voice she knocked a few who were knocked more because of her loud voice. She is too strong compared to the others there at least her CoC would knock many of them because of the difference of power , but even many weak characters were just fine by covering their ears.
Luffy was able to knock Mr. 3 in MF from far away .in FI he took 50000 down in one glare and in Wano he was able to use it even as he was unconscious. Luffy's CoC haki would be for sure in league of its own soon.
so i can see him take thousand of Kaido's army in one glare before the battle even begins .
 
#12
Two reasons:
1- First reason can be that some of those king's haki users aren't as skilled in it as Luffy as you suggested.

2- Second reason can be because Oda wants to introduce new level of haki along with SH crew. For example, Oda focuses on specific powers of haki and highlights it with Luffy or Zoro. Or their enemy in that arc.

While other characters may have that skill or don't, but Oda simply wanted to focus on it with the SHs not with those other characters
 
#15
lol how do you know how skilled are they in it when they don't use it AT ALL

It's just plot... sometimes Oda wants a guy to look cool and has him knock out some fodder...sometimes he doesn't
They don't use it like Luffy because they can't.

Luffy uses it all the time in various ways due to him being a Conquerors Haki specialist.
 
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