General & Others Why rooftop fight was trash

[Screws Loose242]

I love the roof top fights its was awsome and one of yhe best fights in the verse everybody did there things but luffy and zoro stole the spot light, like always,

Law was somewhat
Killer was awesome
Kidd was Well he did better than law attack wise
and I know the anime is gonna be fire

 

[Don DaSlayer]

The rooftop fight was lit. Haters gonna hate bc they favs were like shit or werent there.

 

[Herrera95]

Of course there is such thing as ceiling, otherwise there'd be no hierarchy between characters. You would just need to train to get stronger.
Some characters have a higher ceiling than others, have more talent with haki than others.
If you think this is not true, then there is no point to argue since we're on a completely different page.
Luffy defeated Katakuri, Kata and Luffy said it. You're the one with the headcanon.
You didn't understand any of my point by the way, I said you can't compare Luffy's ceiling to Katakuri or doffy's ceiling. If at one point they were close, his potential far exceed theirs.

Sorry dude but this is headcannon of yours. It was never state that someone couldn't get any stronger. The cannon thing of old and sick people getting wicker is pretty much bullshit since those eldery 70's years are the top tiers (not saying about Gorosei but they are probably top tier too, but Garp, WB, Rayleigh for example). I think is too much ridiculous to think they were any stronger in their "prime". I'm talking at least in terms of strenght not in terms of fighting capability.

Luffy being that prodigy doesn't make much sense. Both Ace and Sabo for example unlocked CoC at earlier age (about 10 yo) while Luffy only with 17. Sabo with 17 already knew haki while Luffy took 2y with Rayleigh(or 1.5 years whatever). All supernovas went straight to New World and succeed while Luffy "the prodigy" needed 2 years of training to be at New World level and still needed to train more. Luffy since beginning had the best teachers and wasn't the strongest.
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The rooftop fight was lit. Haters gonna hate bc they favs were like shit or werent there.

Luffy was shit. What are you talking about? Everybody but Zoro was shit at rooftop.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Zoro was already top tier out of the time skip. He was trained by a god-tier character, what did you expect?

I just wish Oda gave him a serious fight in dressrosa or perhaps had him come along to whole cake island

 

[Rmstorm]

Sorry dude but this is headcannon of yours. It was never state that someone couldn't get any stronger. The cannon thing of old and sick people getting wicker is pretty much bullshit since those eldery 70's years are the top tiers (not saying about Gorosei but they are probably top tier too, but Garp, WB, Rayleigh for example). I think is too much ridiculous to think they were any stronger in their "prime". I'm talking at least in terms of strenght not in terms of fighting capability.

Luffy being that prodigy doesn't make much sense. Both Ace and Sabo for example unlocked CoC at earlier age (about 10 yo) while Luffy only with 17. Sabo with 17 already knew haki while Luffy took 2y with Rayleigh(or 1.5 years whatever). All supernovas went straight to New World and succeed while Luffy "the prodigy" needed 2 years of training to be at New World level and still needed to train more. Luffy since beginning had the best teachers and wasn't the strongest.
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Luffy was shit. What are you talking about? Everybody but Zoro was shit at rooftop.

All the supernova's were pirates for 2 years before Luffy. So Luffy is in fact a prodigy.

 

[Herrera95]

All the supernova's were pirates for 2 years before Luffy. So Luffy is in fact a prodigy.

All of them? You are talking about Ace right? I remember Law, Kid and Bege only if I'm not mistake. Also that Cavendish. By the way if Cavendish is at same age why he is not a Supernova? And if they were pirates 2 years before why the were called Supernova? Only Luffy and Zoro should because they started that same year.

But if you wanna talk about age, BM 6 yo 50mi bounty, Luffy 17 years old first bounty was 30mi. BM 12 yo 500mi bounty, Luffy needed a timeskip and training with Rayleigh to get there. BM is a prodigy not Luffy that is already a grown up man. Rebecca is 16 right? She is stronger than Luffy was at her age.

 

[Excelsion]

I think that it was pretty bad too, it felt like Big Mom and Kaido were not serious.... now that Big Mom and all other others are gone and Luffy is left versus Kaido and now he(Kaido) will get serious, i find this pretty stupid.

 

[Yakyu]

Oh, yeah, another great salty thread.
Time for some popcorn.

 

[Hie Hie no Mi]

I just have no idea why Big Mom is in this arc at all.... It would have been way more believable for the three supernova crews + the samurai to beat the WSC. But They're going to take on WSC + Big Mom and company and win? Sure...

 

[Igor_akainu_redog]

Hell no. Rooftop fazer fight was amazing.

 

[Human D Luffy]

The rooftop fight was decent.
To your point that BM and Kaido weren't serious, I would say Kaido did fight seriously towards the end, but BM wasn't trying her best.
This is because BM doesn't even think they can 5 v Kaido, so her assistance isn't to the extreme for that reason.

You gotta think about it from the yonko's perspective.
Why would BM need to go all out against five 20+ years old rookies?
Luffy literally got 1 shot by Kaido previously, so no one was expecting a lot from them to begin with

 

[Herrera95]

The rooftop fight was decent.
To your point that BM and Kaido weren't serious, I would say Kaido did fight seriously towards the end, but BM wasn't trying her best.
This is because BM doesn't even think they can 5 v Kaido, so her assistance isn't to the extreme for that reason.

You gotta think about it from the yonko's perspective.
Why would BM need to go all out against five 20+ years old rookies?
Luffy literally got 1 shot by Kaido previously, so no one was expecting a lot from them to begin with

You make no sense. BM is all saying "I want to kill Luffy". She went to Wano TO KILL LUFFY. Why don't know why she didn't went to Udon and did it personally. Why Kaido did absolute nothing during this days everybody trained? They already knew Luffy had some red poneglyphs, and they want it. Makes no fucking sense. BM is trying her best, otherwise she wouldn't fall from rooftop like that(she would get serious before it happen).
She saw Luffy damaging Kaido at 1000 at got surprised. She warned Kaido about Zoro's sword. If she wasn't serious she would literally let everything to Kaido and just watch.

 

[Human D Luffy]

You make no sense. BM is all saying "I want to kill Luffy". She went to Wano TO KILL LUFFY. Why don't know why she didn't went to Udon and did it personally. Why Kaido did absolute nothing during this days everybody trained? They already knew Luffy had some red poneglyphs, and they want it. Makes no fucking sense. BM is trying her best, otherwise she wouldn't fall from rooftop like that(she would get serious before it happen).
She saw Luffy damaging Kaido at 1000 at got surprised. She warned Kaido about Zoro's sword. If she wasn't serious she would literally let everything to Kaido and just watch.

Your logic is completely flawed. BM wanting to kill Luffy doesn't mean she has to go all out on Luffy.
This is where reading manga requires logical thinking instead of taking everything at face value.
Obviously BM hasn't gone all out, other than for a few moments (hakai being one).
It is blatantly obvious BM was more of an active spectator as the rooftop five also didn't target her but mostly towards Kaido.

 

[Charlotte Sky]

Stop defending the fight...it’s horribly written.both of the yonko were heavily restricted both strength wise and intelligence wise

you gotta cosplay as a clown while reading it.

 

[Herrera95]

Your logic is completely flawed. BM wanting to kill Luffy doesn't mean she has to go all out on Luffy.
This is where reading manga requires logical thinking instead of taking everything at face value.
Obviously BM hasn't gone all out, other than for a few moments (hakai being one).
It is blatantly obvious BM was more of an active spectator as the rooftop five also didn't target her but mostly towards Kaido.

You don't have to go all out. You just have to go enough to do what you want. If you want to kill you have to go as far it needs to kill. Just like Kaido didn't went all out on Luffy but did enough to one-shot him.

 

[Igor_akainu_redog]

Stop defending the fight...it’s horribly written.both of the yonko were heavily restricted both strength wise and intelligence wise

you gotta cosplay as a clown while reading it.

Your OPINION is not a fact. You the Clown.

 

[Herrera95]

Your OPINION is not a fact. You the Clown.

His opinion is not a fact. But this time his opinion is the same of the fact.

 

[ENTER D. LURKER]

I honestly don't see why people have these weird issues with the RT fight. "Big Mom and Kaido aren't being serious". What in any of the chapters implied that? They were relentless in their pursuit through out. You can meme to death about Kaido going "aiiieee" every single time he gets a paper cut but he still was persistent the whole time almost close to practically eating Luffy if it weren't for Zoro. Do people think the shit they did in 1009 was equivalent to playing pirates? As for BM, 1002 made it clear she acted as a foil to anytime the supernovas were close to getting a consistent strand of hits on Kaido due to the range of her abilities. But at the same time people are complaining about the supernovas for not being total pushovers and being competent enough to handle the situation. "All law does is teleport everyone" and thats a bad thing because.... he has a strong support role in a TEAM fight? There are people who NOW take issue with Luffy bouncing back despite doing the same when it came to warlords and Lucci? Outside of BM not using CoC fist on kid that one time (even though they were clearly on the winning side in that scenario with the supernovas getting more and more tired out) I dont see what this failed to deliver? This fight so far is great and it delivered more than expected IMO. So many people really cant comprehend the possibility of Luffy taking down a Yonko this late into the game. Every one is still in the mind set of marineford.

 

[Gari]

I can’t believe some people actually enjoyed that shit...there was zero tension but of course many of zoro fans specifically that don’t give shit about logic will enjoy it...I am huge smoothie fan but I won’t enjoy seeing her in a fight against yonko because I know she doesn’t stand a chance hence the plot armors...

they cry about how zoro blitzed kaido and I am like yeah how about Luffy blitzing both kaido and linlin ?

did y’all forget this or what:

Thing is this doesn’t even deserve to be called a fight...it’s nothing but the yonko playing little pirate games.

big mom NEVER get serious ...time and time again she keeps underestimating them untill she fall from the island...you see , she didn’t use advanced CoC against Kidd but she used it against page one ? Plot restrictions were too strong because oda didn’t want them to die.

Kaido the suicidal guy who keeps tanking the attacks on purpose; he screams then he laughs and the loop continues


Good thing that shit ended...now give me linlin vs admirals and kaido vs admiral level Luffy,Yamato, Kidd and law...there we can enjoy the fight because there should be no character restrictions and plot armors.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Luffy might actually defeat Kaido in a 1 on 1 but that will have to be seen.

Luffy has 0 chance of doing that without help. Even though Kaido has gitten jumped