Character Discussion Why Sanji fans are in denial that if Zoro is Ray's parallel, he'll be a VC as well

[Boiroy]

In a world where the Oda deliberately creates a Left Arm, calls both wings and even counterparts of each other, there is no point to have one having authority over the other.

If Oda is trying to resemble the dynamic we see in the Strawhat crew, which seems to be the case, then Zoro/Rayleigh and Sanji/Gaban can't order each other around because they only get actual orders from their captain, and if not, they just act by themselves without needing any lead, thats why it's called wings, they can be independant for 99% of the time.

In this case, we have 2 members that can assume the vice captain role. Even Nami sometimes looks like one, but she lacks the other necessary perks to fit the role.

Tell that to Oda why he created vice captains such as Rayleigh, Beckman if that was the case

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

I'm left handed but my right arm is slightly stronger than the left
Therefore right arms > or >= left arms

lol i think the point of the wings is that no arm is considered > in importance .

rhm in traditional sense is the n2
there technically isnt a "lhm" in any other instance in the story which is why this distinction is important.

zoro is not a vc

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

lol i think the point of the wings is that no arm is considered > in importance .

rhm in traditional sense is the n2
there technically isnt a "lhm" in any other instance in the story which is why this distinction is important.

zoro is not a vc

Urouge did call him the first mate and he was in that color spread tbf

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

The Strawhats will never have an official Vice Captain or Right Hand Man

Just like the Strawhats will never have an official Left Hand Man (most crews don’t to begin with)

The Strawhats are unique in that there’s no hierarchy outside of Luffy on paper. Now I think everyone knows that Zoro is meant to be seen as the defacto vice captain

He’ll also likely be viewed as the vice captain by people outside of the crew by EOS but officially? No

If you actually look up what a first mate does then you'd understand that Oda is never writing Zoro operating in that way, nor having such a relationship with the rest of the straw hats. It's too formal/official and isn't what the crew is. But Zoro and Sanji operate as leaders in Luffys absence, advisors to Luffy, protectors of the weaker members and the primary support system for Luffy in combat that can fight shoulder to shoulder with him, that's what makes them the wings. VC/FM/COS type positions are an actual job, like cook or doctor, not just some aura title. Oda isn't going to change the straw hat dynamics and relationships in that way. They are friends who rely on each other, interdependent, "you do what I can't, I'll do what you can't", that's all, no hierarchy.

^These guys got it
There will never be a formal hierarchy, aside from Luffy being the captain Oda does not want to rank the straw hats this way because it would make the lower ranked ones appear "lesser" and this is not the type of crew dynamics he wants to portray. For him straw hats are big family of misfits and will always be.
They will sometimes assume a pseudo vice-captain/first mate role when the situation asks for it but it's not because they're higher in the crew's hierarchy, it's because they're the strongest and and have the right personalities to take charge so other SHs will naturally follow them.

 

[Julius]

Tell that to Oda why he created vice captains such as Rayleigh, Beckman if that was the case

Beckman is the only confirmed VC btw, there is no wings dynamic in RHP

And he is hyped to even be comparable to Shanks in some aspects, we don't have that for Roux or Yasopp, despite the whole crew being hyped to be strong, "no soft targets" "high average bounties" according to the Navy

It's different when we have a trio known for being legends in the past, who might even share the same rare haki types.

 

[Boiroy]

Beckman is the only confirmed VC btw, there is no wings dynamic in RHP

And he is hyped to even be comparable to Shanks in some aspects, we don't have that for Roux or Yasopp, despite the whole crew being hyped to be strong, "no soft targets" "high average bounties" according to the Navy

It's different when we have a trio known for being legends in the past, who might even share the same rare haki types.

wdym by no confirmed VC, Ray is the official confirmed VC

And remember if Luffy need to surpass Shanks pirates, he need a VC to surpass Beckman too
it's not like that luffy>Shanks, but he will be needing both Sanji n zoro to beat beckman

 

[Rivaille]

^These guys got it
There will never be a formal hierarchy, aside from Luffy being the captain Oda does not want to rank the straw hats this way because it would make the lower ranked ones appear "lesser" and this is not the type of crew dynamics he wants to portray. For him straw hats are big family of misfits and will always be.
They will sometimes assume a pseudo vice-captain/first mate role when the situation asks for it but it's not because they're higher in the crew's hierarchy, it's because they're the strongest and and have the right personalities to take charge so other SHs will naturally follow them.

The « Wings » statement clearly put Zoro and Sanji apart of the rest of the crew. Making your argument moot.

As the OP said if Sanji has to get everything that Gaban have, it is logical that Zoro get everything Rayleigh got in Haki, in strength and in status.
So using this paradigm Zoro is the Vice-Captain.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Because Luffy will never have an official hierarchy.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

The « Wings » statement clearly put Zoro and Sanji apart of the rest of the crew. Making your argument moot.

Symbolism is not hierarchy.
Zoro will never be the vice-captain

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

A First Mate, sometimes known as a Vice-Captain, is the top officer on board a ship after the captain. Mostly, they may fill a number of roles from checking stock to making sure everyone else is doing their job on the ship, leaving their captain to more important duties. They answer only to the captain of the ship.

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/First_Mate

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Oda's words through his characters

Thats the literal depiction of hearsay
zoro saying kaido is the strongest doesnt make it oda's official words.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The « Wings » statement clearly put Zoro and Sanji apart of the rest of the crew. Making your argument moot.

As the OP said if Sanji has to get everything that Gaban have, it is logical that Zoro get everything Rayleigh got in Haki, in strength and in status.
So using this paradigm Zoro is the Vice-Captain.

The wings is an unspoken hierarchy. Luffy didn’t give them that it’s that the entire crew knows Zoro and Sanji are more powerful and the secondary leaders of the crew.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Urouge did call him the first mate and he was in that color spread tbf

colorspread was n2's
shiryu isnt a first mate either

 

[Boiroy]

Because Luffy will never have an official hierarchy.

Then I am all up for USOPP to be the VC
and Jinbo to be the no 3

 

[Garp the Fist]

The « Wings » statement clearly put Zoro and Sanji apart of the rest of the crew. Making your argument moot.

As the OP said if Sanji has to get everything that Gaban have, it is logical that Zoro get everything Rayleigh got in Haki, in strength and in status.
So using this paradigm Zoro is the Vice-Captain.

Ah, but we have clearly determined that Gaban is the perfect parallel for Sanji, and that this somehow means EoS Sanji will be Roger level, but that we can ignore anything about Rayleigh that could make Zoro stand out.

In fact, we apparently have to pretend that we have never seen any scenes of Roger and Rayleigh interacting and that it has only been Ray and Gaban who were a duo.

 

[style]

Because he isn't the VC at all?

There is nothing about Vice Captain in the correct translation.

Vice captain is a synonym for first mate
it was literally stated that Gaban stood shoulder to shoulder with vice captain Rayleigh in his introduction

how can you forgot that?

 

[Boiroy]

Symbolism is not hierarchy.
Zoro will never be the vice-captain

If that's the case then Sanji will take mutant route than Haki

Ray n Gaban won't parallel them

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Vice captain is a synonym for first mate
it was literally stated that Gaban stood shoulder to shoulder with vice captain Rayleigh

these haters are illiterate, blind and can't read when it's about Zoro and then they cry about us
LMAO

 

[Rivaille]

The wings is an unspoken hierarchy. Luffy didn’t give them that it’s that the entire crew knows Zoro and Sanji are more powerful and the secondary leaders of the crew.

So we consider that Zoro being the VC is an unspoken hierarchy too, right?

 

[Boiroy]

Thats the literal depiction of hearsay
zoro saying kaido is the strongest doesnt make it oda's official words.

why such information isn't spread around for Sanji

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

The « Wings » statement clearly put Zoro and Sanji apart of the rest of the crew. Making your argument moot.

As the OP said if Sanji has to get everything that Gaban have, it is logical that Zoro get everything Rayleigh got in Haki, in strength and in status.
So using this paradigm Zoro is the Vice-Captain.

rayleigh is a first mate
zoro isnt
pretty important distinction

No one calls gaban a cook because sanji is
They are alike not the same.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

colorspread was n2's
shiryu isnt a first mate either

Yes but what do you think number twos means in that case