General & Others Why the Marine give a F**K about the World Government, the Gorosei and the World Noble ?
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You are talking to me about how the general population might feel.
I am talking to you how about these mighty beings, with each their own philosophy might feel.
Akainu, if perfectionist with his own Absolute Vision of Justice, should 'ot tolerate World Nobles way of living and such, try with his might to rules everybody with what he thinks is right.
I am talking to you how about these mighty beings, with each their own philosophy might feel.
Akainu, if perfectionist with his own Absolute Vision of Justice, should 'ot tolerate World Nobles way of living and such, try with his might to rules everybody with what he thinks is right.
eh, i feel like we cannot use the example on real life here to describe the relationship on marine and world government.
Real life situation is more complex. The military power is divided across several organizations. And i suppose the government can ask help from other countries in case of rebel attacks. Eventually the rebel military would be defeated.
Marine in one piece is different because it is a military force on global scale. An admiral in one piece is stronger than the average nation army force and that is only one admiral. The military power of marine is just dominating the world. The marine should be capable to topple over the world government. If the marine is greedy about money or something like that, that gives even more reason for them to usurp the throne of king of the worlds. It's not like the world government is public figure that people look up to, anyway.
That's my take on the political relationship. But there might be another reason for why marine still obeys to world government here. Either just a bad writing from oda or Imu has some kind of one shot to death mass killer weapon
Real life situation is more complex. The military power is divided across several organizations. And i suppose the government can ask help from other countries in case of rebel attacks. Eventually the rebel military would be defeated.
Marine in one piece is different because it is a military force on global scale. An admiral in one piece is stronger than the average nation army force and that is only one admiral. The military power of marine is just dominating the world. The marine should be capable to topple over the world government. If the marine is greedy about money or something like that, that gives even more reason for them to usurp the throne of king of the worlds. It's not like the world government is public figure that people look up to, anyway.
That's my take on the political relationship. But there might be another reason for why marine still obeys to world government here. Either just a bad writing from oda or Imu has some kind of one shot to death mass killer weapon
The question is more how did the WG even came to be in the first place.
What existed first the Navy or the WG? Probably WG and the WG probably also invented the Navy which means the Navy is funded entirely by them and therefore they are not independent.
Someone like Akainu has the power to take over WG anytime he wants to but his ideals and goal of wiping out pirates so far alligned with the WG and the Navy and that's also originally why he joined the Navy.
Though a military coup could literally happen anytime if the WG makes a mistake and starts acting against the ideals of the head of the navy.
Akainu probably doesn't know about most of the shady things the WG is doing.
I mean we saw that he confronted the Gorosei immediately when he caught wind about CP0 helping out Doflamingo.
And he said that stuff like this should never happen again implying that if he ever finds out about something the WG is doing again which he disagrees with he might just give them an ultimatum.
Of course this is all assuming there is no secret ultimate weapon within WG's possession that Akainu knows about, which the admirals can't overcome.
What existed first the Navy or the WG? Probably WG and the WG probably also invented the Navy which means the Navy is funded entirely by them and therefore they are not independent.
Someone like Akainu has the power to take over WG anytime he wants to but his ideals and goal of wiping out pirates so far alligned with the WG and the Navy and that's also originally why he joined the Navy.
Though a military coup could literally happen anytime if the WG makes a mistake and starts acting against the ideals of the head of the navy.
Akainu probably doesn't know about most of the shady things the WG is doing.
I mean we saw that he confronted the Gorosei immediately when he caught wind about CP0 helping out Doflamingo.
And he said that stuff like this should never happen again implying that if he ever finds out about something the WG is doing again which he disagrees with he might just give them an ultimatum.
Of course this is all assuming there is no secret ultimate weapon within WG's possession that Akainu knows about, which the admirals can't overcome.
because they are financed by them they are on there payroll
So if the WG decides Akainu is no marine anymore then worldwide Akainu is not an admiral anymore
Why do you think they keep the Admiral position limited to 3 people as we now they can easily replace two admirals positions they could also made 5 admirals instead of three its prob they dont want to give them too much power so they could repell against them
So if the WG decides Akainu is no marine anymore then worldwide Akainu is not an admiral anymore
Why do you think they keep the Admiral position limited to 3 people as we now they can easily replace two admirals positions they could also made 5 admirals instead of three its prob they dont want to give them too much power so they could repell against them
Because WG and the marines are a symbiotic relationship.
Let's not forget that 180 countries are governed by the WG, and the WG are the ones that enforce the law that is to be respected by these countries. The duty of the marines is to ensure law and order are to be respected by the persons living in these countries under WG jurisdiction. Marines are also enlisted from these countries to sustain its strength by force and numbers.
Without the marines, the law won't be respected by these countries, said countries will secede, and chaos ensues... but without the WG, the unity between the 180 countries will break down, and the marines will have no law to uphold and hence become redundant. They'll just end up becoming similar to a regular pirate crew with no one to enlist to sustain its numbers. In other words, they'll eventually die out.
And let's say Akainu takes control by killing the WG, replace it with the marines, and manages to take control of the 180 countries. Do you think all the marines under him as fleet admiral share the same grievances? Do you think Kizaru or Greenbull share his attitude to CD's and WG? And what about Issho, do you think he would stand by and see Akainu take complete dictatorial control of the WG under his hands?
Akainu had enough trouble dealing with Aokiji. What about the entirety of the Admirals as well as all the marines? And what about the marines enlisted from these 180 countries? What do you think they will do seeing that the WG is toppled and no law exists anymore to govern and protect their families?
If Akainu goes against the WG, Gorosei, and the CD's, he will achieve nothing but chaos, infighting, and a resulting decline within the marines.
The way the marines operate with respect to their preferences of justice is not what law to uphold, but how to uphold that law. They are not a legislative branch of the WG; they are the executive branch, who ensure that said law is to be respected by the people, and to the people. E.g.:
-- Aokiji's type of justice is "lazy justice", meaning his justice is more relaxed. He doesn't want the marines to become what they've become in Ohara.
-- Akainu follows "absolute justice", which is the complete opposite... forcing the law and killing those committing acts against the law no matter how small... even killing a kid just because he stole a snickers.
The marines don't write the laws. They execute the laws, but the way they execute said laws are different. If for example, WG puts a law that goes "it is illegal to save a life", Akainu would kill every doctor there is; and Aokiji would just let them go, maybe to a country without WG jurisdiction (like he did to Robin).
They don't enact laws, they execute it.
Your question around the Celestial Dragon is the same thing. The WG write the laws that say they are to be respected, and any action taken against them is a penalty of death. It is the duty of the marines to enforce that law, not to challenge that law. Garp hated the Celestial Dragons, but even HE knew that the law had to be upheld, which is why he executed the orders to save them at God Valley.
If Garp went against the order to save the CD's, do you think all the other marines would let that slide? Of course not. Even that random soldier in the room where Sengoku talked about Garp said "it was the duty of the marines to protect the celestial dragons". Garp would be fighting against 4 admirals, a hundred vice admirals etc to protect his life if he just "punched one or two CD's by mistake" as you put it.
Let's not forget that 180 countries are governed by the WG, and the WG are the ones that enforce the law that is to be respected by these countries. The duty of the marines is to ensure law and order are to be respected by the persons living in these countries under WG jurisdiction. Marines are also enlisted from these countries to sustain its strength by force and numbers.
Without the marines, the law won't be respected by these countries, said countries will secede, and chaos ensues... but without the WG, the unity between the 180 countries will break down, and the marines will have no law to uphold and hence become redundant. They'll just end up becoming similar to a regular pirate crew with no one to enlist to sustain its numbers. In other words, they'll eventually die out.
And let's say Akainu takes control by killing the WG, replace it with the marines, and manages to take control of the 180 countries. Do you think all the marines under him as fleet admiral share the same grievances? Do you think Kizaru or Greenbull share his attitude to CD's and WG? And what about Issho, do you think he would stand by and see Akainu take complete dictatorial control of the WG under his hands?
Akainu had enough trouble dealing with Aokiji. What about the entirety of the Admirals as well as all the marines? And what about the marines enlisted from these 180 countries? What do you think they will do seeing that the WG is toppled and no law exists anymore to govern and protect their families?
If Akainu goes against the WG, Gorosei, and the CD's, he will achieve nothing but chaos, infighting, and a resulting decline within the marines.
The way the marines operate with respect to their preferences of justice is not what law to uphold, but how to uphold that law. They are not a legislative branch of the WG; they are the executive branch, who ensure that said law is to be respected by the people, and to the people. E.g.:
-- Aokiji's type of justice is "lazy justice", meaning his justice is more relaxed. He doesn't want the marines to become what they've become in Ohara.
-- Akainu follows "absolute justice", which is the complete opposite... forcing the law and killing those committing acts against the law no matter how small... even killing a kid just because he stole a snickers.
The marines don't write the laws. They execute the laws, but the way they execute said laws are different. If for example, WG puts a law that goes "it is illegal to save a life", Akainu would kill every doctor there is; and Aokiji would just let them go, maybe to a country without WG jurisdiction (like he did to Robin).
They don't enact laws, they execute it.
Your question around the Celestial Dragon is the same thing. The WG write the laws that say they are to be respected, and any action taken against them is a penalty of death. It is the duty of the marines to enforce that law, not to challenge that law. Garp hated the Celestial Dragons, but even HE knew that the law had to be upheld, which is why he executed the orders to save them at God Valley.
If Garp went against the order to save the CD's, do you think all the other marines would let that slide? Of course not. Even that random soldier in the room where Sengoku talked about Garp said "it was the duty of the marines to protect the celestial dragons". Garp would be fighting against 4 admirals, a hundred vice admirals etc to protect his life if he just "punched one or two CD's by mistake" as you put it.
First, thank you for your time and effort in a answer this long.
[∆] As the new head of the Marines, and the World Government, you can replace the Administrators with whomever you like for doing a similar job to those of the Gorosei.
The Allied countries, if the deals done by the precedent government stills in place, have no interest to become desaffiliated.
Should they really care about Celestial Dragons eviction from powers and wealth positions ?
[∆] Akainu is an individualist. Garp, if really Marine equivalent of Luffy is fiercely an independent individual ( one of Luffy main personality trait and why I like him ).
While I can see Akainu making concessions because as you said it, he has to assure that peoples stills enlist in his army by maintaining stability and not being "too" feared by killing everybody around,
I don't get why Garp would give a F**K even if it ends up being him alone versus 5 Admirals level. The guy is ( maybe ) like Mihawk or Luffy, he won't give up because the opponent is stronger than him.
So if some Celestial Dragons kills some civilian under his watch, he should punch them hard.
[∆] As the new head of the Marines, and the World Government, you can replace the Administrators with whomever you like for doing a similar job to those of the Gorosei.
The Allied countries, if the deals done by the precedent government stills in place, have no interest to become desaffiliated.
Should they really care about Celestial Dragons eviction from powers and wealth positions ?
[∆] Akainu is an individualist. Garp, if really Marine equivalent of Luffy is fiercely an independent individual ( one of Luffy main personality trait and why I like him ).
While I can see Akainu making concessions because as you said it, he has to assure that peoples stills enlist in his army by maintaining stability and not being "too" feared by killing everybody around,
I don't get why Garp would give a F**K even if it ends up being him alone versus 5 Admirals level. The guy is ( maybe ) like Mihawk or Luffy, he won't give up because the opponent is stronger than him.
So if some Celestial Dragons kills some civilian under his watch, he should punch them hard.
