Break Week Why the Sanji downplay is stupid and pathetic!!!

Warchief Sanji D Goat

Warchief Sanji D Goat

Mommy Fubuki!
‎
#1
#1
As I promised, welcome to my biggest thread of 2020. Hope you folks have a great holidays and spend time with your family and friends. Now, in this thread, I will debunking all the Sanji "downplay" that has been going on lately and I hope this thread won't get ruined like all the other threads did.

Disclaimer: I'm not a Sanji fan or a Sanji wanker, I'm more like a Sanji defender so don't come in this thread and be like "Oh Sanji fans are delusional, oh Sanji fans getting headcanon out of their asses, Sanji fans eating crayons everyday, etc."

That's all being said, let's get going now shall we? :)

Section 1:

Part 1: "Sanji doesn't have Ryou or CoC"

Me:


The SFX of Sanji in the bath house is the same as Luffy using CoC in Udon prison.

As Luffy actively shown Ryou in Udon and the explanation matches Zoro's Breath of All Things, the Sanji panel is often brought up by a lot of people as simple steam, but the image below explains why that's not true.

Sanji's Ryou is practically confirmed.

Explained in this thread:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/sanjis-ryou-confirmed.11650/

There's also a panel in Thriller Bark that can be used as it was foreshadowing of it, and again not coming from his legs but upperbody.
Plus, it would only make sense that a armament boost happens in the place where it was originated from: Wano.

And also, the black lightning effect that we see sometimes is Oda's way of telling us that person has Conqueror's Haki.
Usually most of the time when we see the black lighting, it's been said it's Conqueror's Haki:

Here's another examples of other characters using CoC.

Now, whether the black lightning is CoC or not, Oda won't just drawing it out of nowhere. The black lightning also shows us Conqueror's Haki users that have yet to unlock it/either use it subconsciously/can't control it or just not confirmed by Oda.

Example would be Luffy uses Conquerer's Haki for the first time subconsciously against Duval's and his bull Motabaro before the Sabaody arc.

Another example would be Luffy using CoC during the fight against the Boa Sisters in Amazon Lily arc.

Another example would be Luffy using it in Marineford War arc when the marines are about to execute Ace.

Now, back to Sanji's signs of CoC.

You might say, Franky also show black lightning too.

Well, actually no.
There is no "indication" of that's being CoC. Usually someone would comment on it but that's not the case. But if Franky have some kind of CoC then I wouldn't be surprised.

Sanji's CoC has been practically confirmed.


Sanji has shown black lightning multiple times. He also have these qualities:
Royalty (Doflamingo and Hancock are good examples of a royalties that uses CoC).
Has similar dream as Luffy - going after a place which is believed to be not real.
Same how Rogers crew had multiple CoC, Luffy's crew may also have multiple CoC users.
He's been chosen as the leader of the group multiple times:

- When Sanji is in charge of the crew and named it the Twirly Hat Crew even though Law was there.

- When he questions the way Law is carrying out the plan (Law is the alliance member who is articulating the plan).

- The vice captain must be a leader at various times and hierarchically above the other crew members, so that everyone respects them and follows their orders.

See how in the absence of the captain, Sanji leads the team to counterattack a Yonko ship (this is an excellent role for a captain’s deputy).

- Also, when he leads a plan with Usopp and Franky on the ocean train back in Water 7.

- When Sanji also leads the G-5 back in Punk Hazard.

Part 2: "Sanji doesn't have the same portrayal/dynamic as Luffy and Zoro hence why he's not in the Monster Trio anymore + Jinbei replaced Sanji as a new M3 member."

Me:


Sanji has always been up there with the fighters.

This thread confirmed it.
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/monster-trio-is-canon.12153/

Sanji show superiority towards Jinbei before. For example, when he says to Jinbei the reason they must fight (when Jinbei disagrees with Luffy’s decision).

Also, when Jinbei recognizes Sanji’s superior hierarchy, he apologizes to Sanji, and begins to report the entire situation they are in.

Jinbei also did the same thing in chapter 933 when he apologizes to Sanji and trying to escort both Luffy and Sanji to the rooftop.

Also, Zoro and Sanji are very casual about Luffy using CoC while Jinbei and Robin got shocked about it.

Stated by Absalom who is a Zombie General himself, he hyped up Sanji's strength and say that his strength is not what an underling would have.

Part 3: "Sanji only cares about women and he isn't a good leader."

Me:


People were talking trash Sanji for goofing and playing around.

I remember people shitting on Sanji because of these scenes.

And then this happens.......

Sanji blocked King's kicks.

Sanji blocked King's kicks again.

And what's worst is that Sanji bend King's beak.
When Sanji is playing and goofing around, Sanji will always return with a bang.

And thus, we have a quote:
Shout out to @Awakening_coming @Chaves @kurwa etc. for the pictures and analysis beforehand.:goyea:

So yeah, that's all from me. Sorry for rushing. I will do section 2 and 3 tomorrow.:cheers:

Edit: Some of the pictures got broken so I have to fix them again.

Edit: Rebooted post: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...stupid-and-pathetic.9773/page-22#post-2300406
 
Last edited:
Doggo

Doggo

Welcome to the House of Hope
‎
#3
#3
I think the CoC one might be just a gag from Oda. I, particularly don't believe Sanji have it or will unlock it at any point. There are plenty of top tiers that don't have it, and Sanji can become one of them just fine.
Personally, I used to think it being cool, since today it is just something for taking down fodders, I honestly don't care about it at all. I would much rather see Sanji master his Observation Haki and get a good grade of Armament Haki, while Zoro masters his Armament and get a good grade Observation.
If you can use Observation to sense others, could you use it to conceal your presence? That would be something unique about his Haki, just like Luffy got his FS. Pretty fucking awesome alongside invisibility. Very rogue-like flavor. :moonwalk:
 
bennbeckman

bennbeckman

‎
#4
#4
I dont think it's downplaying Sanji to downplay Sanji most people enjoy Sanji, it's the fandom wars. It's the 80/20 rule even 90/10 most Sanji fans are calm and dont troll, the other 10 percent that spent probably all of Wano making fun of and downplaying Zoro making up ridiculous headcanon looped in the other 90 percent with them and they were guilty by association

Hence when an opportunity has come to downplay Sanji he gets bombarded, not because they hate Sanji but to get back at Sanji Fans that are the hardcore Zoro Haters.

The list of statements made goes on and on
 
bennbeckman

bennbeckman

‎
#8
#8
Jew D. Boy said:
This is a great defense, Goat...I fundamentally disagree with the possibility of Sanji unlocking CoC, but I’ve also never really been all the way certain that Zoro will do so either, and I think Luffy will remain the only Straw Hat who has it. I’d be fine if I’m proven wrong on either or both, though :kayneshrug:
Click to expand...
I actually dont mind Zoro not having it either, I just like the aura and him put the fear of god into his enemies like Monet and that Sumo guy
 
Jew D. Boy

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
‎
#10
#10
bennbeckman said:
I actually dont mind Zoro not having it either, I just like the aura and him put the fear of god into his enemies like Monet and that Sumo guy
Click to expand...
Both Zoro and Sanji will be able to intimidate their lesser opponents by their demeanors and abilities, but there’s a reason CoC is so noteworthy on the seas; it’s supposed to be a one in a million kind of thing, and other than the Big Mom Pirates (Linlin passed it down to Katakuri), we don’t know of a single other crew with two people who possess the ability. I think it’s way cooler if Luffy’s right hand men are monsters purely by reputation and accomplishments, leave the superhero shit to the captain.
 
bennbeckman

bennbeckman

‎
#11
#11
Jew D. Boy said:
Both Zoro and Sanji will be able to intimidate their lesser opponents by their demeanors and abilities, but there’s a reason CoC is so noteworthy on the seas; it’s supposed to be a one in a million kind of thing, and other than the Big Mom Pirates (Linlin passed it down to Katakuri), we don’t know of a single other crew with two people who possess the ability. I think it’s way cooler if Luffy’s right hand men are monsters purely by reputation and accomplishments, leave the superhero shit to the captain.
Click to expand...
I have not seen a panel where Sanji puts the fear of life into someone. I disagree with you there. I put the Zoro similarity to Mihawk where they scare their opponents with their gaze.

They have the monster trio reputation which IMO will always stay intact.

Whitebeards Crew (2 people 2 separate times)
BM
Gol D Rogers Crew (4 people at one point technically)

I do agree with the part that if too many people had CoC it would n't make it that special, which is why I dont mind Zoro or Sanji not having it.
 
Jew D. Boy

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
‎
#14
#14
bennbeckman said:
I have not seen a panel where Sanji puts the fear of life into someone. I disagree with you there. I put the Zoro similarity to Mihawk where they scare their opponents with their gaze.

They have the monster trio reputation which IMO will always stay intact.

Whitebeards Crew (2 people 2 separate times)
BM
Gol D Rogers Crew (4 people at one point technically)

I do agree with the part that if too many people had CoC it would n't make it that special, which is why I dont mind Zoro or Sanji not having it.
Click to expand...
You’re right, I mostly meant that Sanji COULD elicit that kind of response if the author was so inclined to draw that and it would make sense in the context of the series. There’s an argument to be made that he and Zoro SHOULD unlock CoC seeing as the only crews with multiple members who can use it are two of the three strongest of all time, but keep in mind that it’s only been confirmed that one guy (and the same one for both) other than the respective captains had it at the time of their journey (we haven’t seen Rayleigh use it during his travels with Roger, and seeing as Shanks was a kid, we should assume until further notice that he didn’t have control over it back then)...if that’s the case, Zoro seems the more reasonable choice over Sanji.
 
Dark Admiral

Dark Admiral

‎
#16
#16
GOAT Thread..:cheers:
I agree with almost every point. Regarding CoC, I'm not sure. Sanji does possess all the quality required to be a Conqueror but I'll be happy even if he ends up not having it. The monster Trio should have their own field of expertise in Haki.
Luffy- Obviously Conqueror
Zoro- Armament/ Ryou, cause he was practicing it his whole life without even knowing it
Sanji- Observation-with exception of few panels of Luffy using FS, Sanji's potrayal as a CoO user has always been higher.
 
Doggo

Doggo

Welcome to the House of Hope
‎
#17
#17
Jew D. Boy said:
Both Zoro and Sanji will be able to intimidate their lesser opponents by their demeanors and abilities, but there’s a reason CoC is so noteworthy on the seas; it’s supposed to be a one in a million kind of thing, and other than the Big Mom Pirates (Linlin passed it down to Katakuri), we don’t know of a single other crew with two people who possess the ability. I think it’s way cooler if Luffy’s right hand men are monsters purely by reputation and accomplishments, leave the superhero shit to the captain.
Click to expand...
Both Roger and Rayleigh had it. Other than this example, can't remember a single one either. Maybe Rocks?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top