Break Week Why the Sanji downplay is stupid and pathetic!!!

Kuro Ashi

Kuro Ashi

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About Luffy's crew members having CoC, beside Roger's crew having CoC users, there's this bit



with us being told that Kaido thinks that there should not be that many Conquerors.



likely because of his experience among the Rocks.

Luffy could prove him that he does not need to stiffle the ambition of his crew members, and still lead other Conquerors, forming the greatest crew in the world. Which is what the Rocks used to be in their time



Kaido and Big Mom, both CoC users followed Rocks D. Xebec.

Now we have Monkey D. Luffy, with Sanji being given significant focus in Big Mom's arc and Zoro being given significant focus in Kaido's arc.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
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Zoro D Goat said:
As I promised, welcome to my biggest thread of 2020. Hope you folks have a great holidays and spend time with your family and friends. Now, in this thread, I will debunking all the Sanji "downplay" that has been going on lately and I hope this thread won't get ruined like all the other threads did.

Disclaimer: I'm not a Sanji fan or a Sanji wanker, I'm more like a Sanji defender so don't come in this thread and be like "Oh Sanji fans are delusional, oh Sanji fans getting headcanon out of their asses, Sanji fans eating crayons everyday, etc."

That's all being said, let's get going now shall we? :)

Section 1:

Part 1: "Sanji doesn't have Ryou or CoC"

Me:


The SFX of Sanji in the bath house is the same as Luffy using CoC in Udon prison.


As Luffy actively shown Ryou in Udon and the explanation matches Zoro's Breath of All Things, the Sanji panel is often brought up by a lot of people as simple steam, but the image below explains why that's not true.


There's also a panel in Thriller Bark that can be used as it was foreshadowing of it, and again not coming from his legs but upperbody.

Plus, it would only make sense that a armament boost happens in the place where it was originated from: Wano.

And also, the black lightning effect that we see sometimes is Oda's way of telling us that person has Conqueror's Haki.
Usually most of the time when we see the black lighting, it's been said it's Conqueror's Haki:


Here's another examples of other characters using CoC.


Now, whether the black lightning is CoC or not, Oda won't just drawing it out of nowhere. The black lightning also shows us Conqueror's Haki users that have yet to unlock it/either use it subconsciously/can't control it or just not confirmed by Oda.

Example would be Luffy uses Conquerer's Haki for the first time subconsciously against Duval's and his bull Motabaro before the Sabaody arc.


Another example would be Luffy using CoC during the fight against the Boa Sisters in Amazon Lily arc.


Another example would be Luffy using it in Marineford War arc when the marines are about to execute Ace.


Now, back to Sanji's signs of CoC.


Sanji has shown black lightning multiple times. He also have these qualities:
Royalty (Doflamingo and Hancock are good examples of a royalties that uses CoC).
Has similar dream as Luffy - going after a place which is believed to be not real.
Same how Rogers crew had multiple CoC, Luffy's crew may also have multiple CoC users.
He's been chosen as the leader of the group multiple times:

- When Sanji is in charge of the crew and named it the Twirly Hat Crew even though Law was there.


- When he questions the way Law is carrying out the plan (Law is the alliance member who is articulating the plan).


- The vice captain must be a leader at various times and hierarchically above the other crew members, so that everyone respects them and follows their orders.

See how in the absence of the captain, Sanji leads the team to counterattack a Yonko ship (this is an excellent role for a captain’s deputy).


- Also, when he leads a plan with Usopp and Franky on the ocean train back in Water 7.


- When Sanji also leads the G-5 back in Punk Hazard.

Part 2: "Sanji doesn't have the same portrayal/dynamic as Luffy and Zoro hence why he's not in the Monster Trio anymore + Jinbei replaced Sanji as a new M3 member."

Me:




Sanji show superiority towards Jinbei before. For example, when he says to Jinbei the reason they must fight (when Jinbei disagrees with Luffy’s decision).


Also, when Jinbei recognizes Sanji’s superior hierarchy, he apologizes to Sanji, and begins to report the entire situation they are in.


Jinbei also did the same thing in chapter 933 when he apologizes to Sanji and trying to escort both Luffy and Sanji to the rooftop.


Also, Zoro and Sanji are very casual about Luffy using CoC while Jinbei and Robin got shocked about it.

Part 3: "Sanji only cares about women and he isn't a good leader."

Me:


So yeah, that's all from me. Sorry for rushing. I will do section 2 and 3 tomorrow.:cheers:
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I don't feel like many genuinely believe that Sanji's character still nowadays does lack haki, but on the other hand I don't see how his portrayal is comparable to the other two guys you mentioned. Portrayal = relevance combat wise if we want to intend it this way. Sanji's is that wise not on the same level, very very crystal linear bud.
 
Luffy bin Dragon

Luffy bin Dragon

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Kuro Ashi said:
About Luffy's crew members having CoC, beside Roger's crew having CoC users, there's this bit



with us being told that Kaido thinks that there should not be that many Conquerors.



likely because of his experience among the Rocks.

Luffy could prove him that he does not need to stiffle the ambition of his crew members, and still lead other Conquerors, forming the greatest crew in the world. Which is what the Rocks used to be in their time



Kaido and Big Mom, both CoC users followed Rocks D. Xebec.

Now we have Monkey D. Luffy, with Sanji being given significant focus in Big Mom's arc and Zoro being given significant focus in Kaido's arc.
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I agree that multiple SH will get CoC but it will Zoro and Usopp
 
Roronoa-sama

Roronoa-sama

Magic Sword, Magic Swordsman, and Can Cut Anything
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Sanji has haki so he has ryo but he doesn't have adv haki or coc like luffy and zoro because he isn't one of the leader next era
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Finalbeta said:
I don't feel like many genuinely believe that Sanji's character still nowadays does lack haki, but on the other hand I don't see how his portrayal is comparable to the other two guys you mentioned. Portrayal = relevance combat wise if we want to intend it this way. Sanji's is that wise not on the same level, very very crystal linear bud.
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If sanji had the same potrayal like luffy and zoro oda would be on the roof
 
Roronoa-sama

Roronoa-sama

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Ichiro Miyata said:
@Zoro D Goat Good thread mate.Sanji was always one of the main forces of the Straw Hat crew.People who forget or don't know about it will soon experience a big shock.
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There aren't nothing to say than sanji is wesk but he doesnt eat the same table that lifgy and zoro
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Luffy bin Dragon said:
only Usopp and Zoro willget CoC:pepelit:
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I can see usopp he will have coc
 
nik87

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
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You should have instead made a thread Wanting Sanji to be like Luffy/Zoro is stupid and pathetic.

As for your points...
Part 1: "Sanji doesn't have Ryou or CoC"
That is correct, he doesnt have either. It is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Part 2: "Sanji doesn't have the same portrayal/dynamic as Luffy and Zoro hence why he's not in the Monster Trio anymore + Jinbei replaced Sanji as a new M3 member."
That is also true. Sanji's portrayal was always different compared to Zoro's/Luffy's.
He was 3rd strongest crew member while there were no other stronger members in the crew.
There is no reason to give him benefit of the doubt above an ex-Warlord with amazing feats.
If the manga shows him above Jinbe, he will be back to 3rd strongest but so far it doesnt look good.

Part 3: "Sanji only cares about women and he isn't a good leader."
Is it surprising that he cares only about women considering that he was deprived of their presence for 2 years?
He isnt a good leader, he was shown to be cracking under pressure several times and lashing out at crew members.
Making actions based on feelings instead of putting the feelings aside and thinking it through.
Calling him a leader because he led Nami, Chopper and Brook is making him look even more pathetic.
 
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Desolate Smaug

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Jew D. Boy said:
This is a great defense, Goat...I fundamentally disagree with the possibility of Sanji unlocking CoC, but I’ve also never really been all the way certain that Zoro will do so either, and I think Luffy will remain the only Straw Hat who has it. I’d be fine if I’m proven wrong on either or both, though :kayneshrug:
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That wou be terribly underwhelming to be honest, having only Luffy have CoC that is. Rocks crew had like half a dozen people with it. Roger had a bunch. Even WB had Oden earlier and Ace later on. The standard yonko crew seems to have 2. At the bare minimum Luffy's crew at it's peak should have as much CoC user as Rogers.
Roger, Ray, Oden, Bullet and Shanks.
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T.D.A said:
Ryou is haki so obviously Sanji has it.
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Ryuo is haki applied more potently.
 
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