Current Events Why Wano fails to surpass Marineford

#1
Wano was hyped up to be the next marineford, but I feel like the similarities between the two arcs are very superficial.

Yes, like MF, wano was an arc about a giant war involving the yonko. Not merely 1 yonko but 2 yonko were defeated, along with the entire beast pirates. But I think we can all feel that something is amiss in wano. If wano had more yonkos and more fights, G5 Nika Luffy, advanced conquerors haki, Zoro scarring kaido, how can it fail to live up to marineford?

I think the answer is simple. Beyond the yonkos and admirals, beyond all the spectacle of marineford, the core of the arc was the relationship between Luffy and Ace.

Ace was Luffy's brother, he was set to be executed, and Luffy was willing to go to hell and back in order to save him. There was literally nothing Luffy wouldn't have done to save his brother. Nowhere else in OP has the stakes ever been higher. Furthermore, nowhere else in OP, has the story ever been more connected to the MC.
If you haven't noticed, OP is kinda formulaic. Most OP arcs involve luffy going to a new place, befriending a new person, and fighting on behalf of that person. Where MF was different was that it wasn't just Luffy fighting on behalf of any person, it was his own brother.

More than anything, MF was driven by characters. Luffy is willing to die to save ace, Ace questioning his worth as a person and whether or not he deserves to be saved, Garp's inner struggle between duty and family, WB facing the end of his era, and Akainu's mad quest for absolute justice. It is this that makes marineford one of the best arcs in one piece.

Wano has a lot of plot, two emperors fall, by all means that's more important than whatever happened in marineford. Yet wano doesn't have the same emotional core that Marineford did. Luffy's motives in wano are largely tangential to the actual conflict of the arc. Why is Luffy fighting kaido? Oh, because O-Tama and Kinemon and Momonosuke. Wano doesn't feel personal in the same way marineford did. Whereas the stakes were never higher in MF, it felt like Oda perpetually lowered the stakes of Wano. Luffy lost a million times to kaido, but never did any of those losses feel real.

I also think wano had far too many characters. You had the entire SHs, Kid and Law, the scabbards and momo, kaido, the beast pirates, ect. Whereas in MF, the only really important characters were Luffy, Ace, WB, and Akainu. I don't think there was ever a chapter where one of those 4 characters weren't featured. The result of this is that wano fails to have the same strong character arcs that held marineford together and made it the arc that it was.

Overall, I feel like wano is a bastardization of marineford. A marineford with no emotional core and poorly written characters. The ultimate result of Oda writing himself into a corner by creating an ever expanding story that was far too big than it really needed to be.
 
#2
Basically, people cared about the characters in Marineford, we either got attached or were already attached to them and that made the few deaths that happened impactful (folk loved Ace and Whitebeard).

By comparison, hardly anybody cared about any of the Wano Arc characters. There have actually been more deaths in Wano now than in Marineford but hardly anyone cares because nobody cared about the characters that did die.
 
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#5
Why every other arc pales in comparison to Ennies lobby and MF?
Oda wrote himself into a corner. He created too many characters, which in turn greatly hurt his ability to tell good stories. Whereas previously, arcs were carried by the emotional core of Luffy and his friends, this dynamic became more and more bastardized as the story went on due to the obscene amount of characters Oda has inserted into the story.
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I'm sure this is why Oda is taking a 1 month break before the final saga. The finale will be like wano x10, with every single character in OP competing for screen time. Oda knows that he's written himself into a corner and he's desperately trying to find a way to save himself so OP doesn't become another game of thrones.
 
#7
I feel like we are set up to have the first major stage of the final saga occur in Wano, and maybe that is the part that Oda was referencing where he said Wano would make Marineford "look cute."

Even though everyone thought Wano was gonna end this chapter, we're still in Act 3. I think GB will sabotage the festival in the Flower Capital and that will lead to a gigantic struggle for the Poneglyph & Pluton among all the parties, and maybe other factions like the BBP & RHP will show up as well.
 
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#8
Disagree. The core of Marineford was Ace relationships with everybody. Luffy, WB, Jinbei, Oars Jr, all his brothers from WB pirates.

The problem of Wano are many. Too much focus on irrelevant characters are an issue but is not the only problem and not even the main one.
Too much dragging with useless runnings are a problem but not the main one.
This is all pacing. And we can support pacing if something good comes at the end.

That is the problem. Wano is not good. Remove the irrelevant and pacing. Sum up Wano with relevant content. It is thrash.

The build up is nice. The execution and finalization are horrible.
 
#11
Basically, people cared about the characters in Marineford, we either got attached or were already attached to them and that made the few deaths that happened impactful (folk loved Ace and Whitebeard).

By comparison, hardly anybody cared about any of the Wano Arc characters. There have actually been more deaths in Wano now than in Marineford but hardly anyone cares because nobody cared about the characters that did die.
Exactly the only deaths I would care about is a Strawhat, Law, Kidd, Marco, Kinemon, and Momo.
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Disagree. The core of Marineford was Ace relationships with everybody. Luffy, WB, Jinbei, Oars Jr, all his brothers from WB pirates.

The problem of Wano are many. Too much focus on irrelevant characters are an issue but is not the only problem and not even the main one.
Too much dragging with useless runnings are a problem but not the main one.
This is all pacing. And we can support pacing if something good comes at the end.

That is the problem. Wano is not good. Remove the irrelevant and pacing. Sum up Wano with relevant content. It is thrash.

The build up is nice. The execution and finalization are horrible.
Yep Wano did have a lot of great moments no doubt but the execution ruined it.

You can have the best joke in the world but if your delivery is terrible you'll ruin it.
 
#12
Marineford was good. Because any straw hat member does not exist in the. We explored a new character world. There is no hooliganism. Everything proceeds so smoothly.

I remind you one more time. Wano is still at Arc 3 and has not finished yet.

Wano was relatively bad (there are good parts , panel and moment) . Because one piece has been the victim of commercialism.

Why?

Fandom wants to see all his favorite characters in Wano. Besides that, Oda wants to get rid of all the character plotlines in Wano. That causes character inflation. Any mangaka can handle this character inflation. And Oda tried his best. However, the results is as you see.

We know all shicbikuai systems and the worst generation thing has been forced Oda to introduce One piece.

If wano just is the story of samurai and strawhats vs beast pirates, that would be so epic.


Is there any 150 or 200 chapter manga that tries to deal with this character population? Demon slayer composed of nearly 200 chapter . I guess number of the wano characters could be bigger than whole demon slayer manga :)
 
#14
Basically, people cared about the characters in Marineford, we either got attached or were already attached to them and that made the few deaths that happened impactful (folk loved Ace and Whitebeard).

By comparison, hardly anybody cared about any of the Wano Arc characters. There have actually been more deaths in Wano now than in Marineford but hardly anyone cares because nobody cared about the characters that did die.
Yeah, and also I think Oda handled deaths poorly in Wano (both fake and real ones).
 
#15
Basically, people cared about the characters in Marineford, we either got attached or were already attached to them and that made the few deaths that happened impactful (folk loved Ace and Whitebeard).

By comparison, hardly anybody cared about any of the Wano Arc characters. There have actually been more deaths in Wano now than in Marineford but hardly anyone cares because nobody cared about the characters that did die.
You don't care about Tama Godess? Goden? High priest Yasu?
 
#19
That was peak oda writing and drawing and choreography etc
Diable jambe >> Ilfrit jambe also
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Marineford was good. Because any straw hat member does not exist in the. We explored a new character world. There is no hooliganism. Everything proceeds so smoothly.

I remind you one more time. Wano is still at Arc 3 and has not finished yet.

Wano was relatively bad (there are good parts , panel and moment) . Because one piece has been the victim of commercialism.

Why?

Fandom wants to see all his favorite characters in Wano. Besides that, Oda wants to get rid of all the character plotlines in Wano. That causes character inflation. Any mangaka can handle this character inflation. And Oda tried his best. However, the results is as you see.

We know all shicbikuai systems and the worst generation thing has been forced Oda to introduce One piece.

If wano just is the story of samurai and strawhats vs beast pirates, that would be so epic.


Is there any 150 or 200 chapter manga that tries to deal with this character population? Demon slayer composed of nearly 200 chapter . I guess number of the wano characters could be bigger than whole demon slayer manga :)
Good points

MF was meant to be an underdog arc for luffy where the good side loses hence tensions were high. Opposite is the case for wano. And there are bunch of irrelevant character focus and pacing
 
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