Questions & Mysteries Why was Roger never called the WSS?

Fujishiro

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#21
From a writing perspective probably because Oda didn't want to overload him with titles. Technically speaking, you would probably say that Roger could have been the Pirate King, Most Wanted Man in the World, World's Strongest Man and World's Strongest Swordsman. But that's totally over the top titles for one character to have, even if that character is Roger. There's also the fact that we probably aren't going to see much more of Roger fighting than what we saw the last flashback, Oda not wanting him to be associated with Zoro instead of Luffy, the time of Roger's death meaning it's got little to nothing to do with the present day title and so on.

There might also be some Black Blade shenanigans. You aren't the Pirate King, no matter how strong you are, unless you get to Laugh Tale. Perhaps you aren't the World's Strongest Swordsman either, no matter how strong you are, unless you make a black blade. That is very much looking like a feat only Mihawk and Ryuma have done, so that would make sense to me. Although if Zoro does it by the end of Wano, that theory obviously goes out the window.
All the titles you mentioned besides WSM, that one belongs and always belonged to wb, one could even argue that primebeard was the stronger of the two even tho they are seen as equals.
 

Fujishiro

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#23
mihawk is prob the first man to be called wss
kaido prob the first wsc
and so on
all titles in op are inferior to th PK title.
Not WSM lol, or WSC if kaidos is legit, which in japanese is actually worlds strongest living thing. Meaning everything that lives.
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but the wsm oddly enough is inferior to the pk title
Inferior in the sense of prestive and accomplishment i assume?
 
#24
Not WSM lol, or WSC if kaidos is legit, which in japanese is actually worlds strongest living thing. Meaning everything that lives.
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Inferior in the sense of prestive and accomplishment i assume?
all inferior
acc to dialogue of wb bowing to roger's throne
being the closest to the pk title not actually reaching it
and akainu's rant on wb
safe to say
the pk title is a cut above every other one. not hard to see why
luffy surpasses kaido to get it as well.
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Not WSM lol, or WSC if kaidos is legit, which in japanese is actually worlds strongest living thing. Meaning everything that lives.
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Inferior in the sense of prestive and accomplishment i assume?
inferior as in harder to achieve
same reason why wss is inferior.
as mihawk said
the pk title is a more treacherous path than surpassing him. kaido achieved wsc but has failed and will fail to achive the pk title even tho he wants it unlike wb.
 
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#29
Roger was not WSM because WB contested him. He was not WSC because he is human. WMWC has only been said once in the entire series, so it’s probably not an official title.
So you mean that there was a Man stronger than Roger the Pirate King?
So why there could not have been a swordsman stronger than Roger and that why Roger was not the WSS?

By the way, WSC encompasses human so there is nothing stopping a human to be the WSC.

Dragon’s title was introduce in a intro box so it is official.
 
#32
So you mean that there was a Man stronger than Roger the Pirate King?
So why there could not have been a swordsman stronger than Roger and that why Roger was not the WSS?

By the way, WSC encompasses human so there is nothing stopping a human to be the WSC.

Dragon’s title was introduce in a intro box so it is official.
Roger and WB were nigh equals. The world couldn’t tell that Roger was slightly stronger.

So there was some mysterious PK level swordsman alive during Roger’s time, and this guy has somehow never been mentioned before?
 
#37
kaido's main hype is from being a yonko with the highest bounty and beating luffy badly.
Idk if that’s an actual title or just Oda describing Dragon in the intro box
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WSS and WSM are also based on rumors since it’s impossible to know with 100% certainty all the time that Mihawk and WB are the WSS and WSM. So what’s your point?

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Idk if that’s an actual title or just Oda describing Dragon in the intro box
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WSS and WSM are also based on rumors since it’s impossible to know with 100% certainty all the time that Mihawk and WB are the WSS and WSM. So what’s your point?
no based on the author giving them official introboxes with those titles undisputed.
kaido is based on hear say.
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now kaido

officially kaido king of the beast
but SAID TO BE WSC
PEOPLE SAY ONE ON ONE BET ON KAIDO
RING A BELL TO THIS
 
#40
WSS is a title for people who don't have the ambition to be king.
Roger never inspired to be king either just fyi.

The pirate king title was given to him by others after he reached raftel


But to the topic, Rogers goal wasn't to beat everyone, but rather to live his life free and with adventure. As far as we know the only major opponent he defeated was rox.

Mihawk on the other hand actively sought to fight the strongest swordsmen until he ran out of worthy challengers.

I understand this is a tough concept for most of the powerlevel hungry fandom to grasp, but one piece isn't a series where all of the characters just beaten the living shit out of each other.

The difference between Roger and mihawk can be illustrated from Luffy and Zoro's ambition.

When Rayleigh first met Luffy, he saw the instant similarity between Luffy and Roger. They didn't care about power or conquering the world. Rather, they wanted to roam the seas as freely as possible. By contrast, Zoro aims only to get stronger so that he can be WSS.

So you can see that Luffy aims to be powerful so that he can acheive his dreams. Zoro aims to be powerful because that is his dream. That explains their personalities, Luffy is always cheerful and playful on adventures and doesn't care about say running away from stronger foes. He only changed at the end of part 1 when he realized that he needed to be strong in order to do the things he wanted. By contrast, Zoro trains nonstop, shows very little emotions, and feels shame in doing dishonorable in a fight


This analogy applies to Roger and mihawk. In other words, Roger doesn't give a shit about of these titles whereasihawk is actively trying to gun for wss.
 
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