Questions & Mysteries Why was Roger not WSS?

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
It did actually. Monsters manga is confirmed to be canon in OP and Ryuma was the WSS of his time.
Yeah I dont think so. There's too many inconsistencies, Monster was in a fictional cowboy esque town whereas in the manga we're told Ryuma cut down the Dragon in front of the Flower Capital. In the manga, they referred to him as a Sword God and not the Strongest Swordsman in that era.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Old WB>MF WB off the IV's. He showed AdvCoC when he split the skies with Shanks and top tier CoO against Ace. The narrator introduces him as the WSM with the title box. Isn't that what you Mihawk fans love to use? If we're not to believe the title box and the narrator, why should we believe that a Mihawk that duelled Shanks 12 years ago is stronger? Pure hypocrisy
There is no hypocrisy.
And why have you changed it to the wb off his meds lmfao
If mihawk admitted he declined
Had heart attacks
Couldn't use haki properly then his title would be in question too.
 

Gol D. Roger

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rogers period didnt coincide with ryuma's tho
there was no wss
same way there was no wsc
or a world's most wanted title
I mean, Ryuma is very popular as a legendary swordsman centuries after his death. So there is always a craze around strong swordsmen. And if Roger's predecessors have the WSS trend then it should obviously continue as being a swordsman is really prominent in OP unless peeps stopped being swordsmen. That didn't happen as a lot of strong characters of Roger's time were swordsmen: Roger, Rayleigh, Oden, and likely Rocks. I think a part of the reason why Shanks bothered having a rivalry with Mihawk is one of his masters i.e., either Rayleigh or Roger was the WSS of their time and Shanks wanted to be their successor.
 
I mean, Ryuma is very popular as a legendary swordsman centuries after his death. So there is always a craze around strong swordsmen. And if Roger's predecessors have the WSS trend then it should obviously continue as being a swordsman is really prominent in OP unless peeps stopped being swordsmen. That didn't happen as a lot of strong characters of Roger's time were swordsmen: Roger, Rayleigh, Oden, and likely Rocks. I think a part of the reason why Shanks bothered having a rivalry with Mihawk is one of his masters i.e., either Rayleigh or Roger was the WSS of their time and Shanks wanted to be their successor.
I think you can headcanon your way around who it was
just like you can assume roger was the world's most wanted man
but I dont think it will ever be confirmed so its pointless.


their era didnt have most of these titles
it just had the pk and the wsm.
 
There is no hypocrisy.
And why have you changed it to the wb off his meds lmfao
If mihawk admitted he declined
Had heart attacks
Couldn't use haki properly then his title would be in question too.
The hypocrisy is you are questioning the title box, considering how often Mihawk fans use that as the end all be all in debates. Oda, on the volume cover, "The strongest Pirate Has arrived on Marineford" You are disagreeing with Oda otherwise WB who pulled up to MF was WSP and Mihawk was a Pirate. Post heart attack/Squardo stab is a different story.

Mihawk hasn't fought Shanks in 12 years and down nothing but sit on his ass guess you can question if he really is stronger than Shanks.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
There is hypocrisy is you are question the title box, considering how often Mihawk fans use that as the end all be all in debates. Oda, on the volume cover, "The strongest Pirate Has arrived on Marineford" You are disagreeing with Oda otherwise WB who pulled up to MF was WSP and Mihawk was a Pirate. Post heart attack/Squardo stab is a different story.
It's the same story because he was ill.
100 times out of 100 if he fights off his meds the same shit happens
 

Gol D. Roger

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Yeah I dont think so. There's too many inconsistencies, Monster was in a fictional cowboy esque town whereas in the manga we're told Ryuma cut down the Dragon in front of the Flower Capital. In the manga, they referred to him as a Sword God and not the Strongest Swordsman in that era.
Inconsistencies become inconsistencies only when they contradict the canon. We can't really use one inconsistency to prove something entirely different is inconsistent too. I think that's not how logic works. We can consider it canon as long as it doesn't contradict the manga. Ryuma's Sword God title goes perfectly in line with him being the WSS of his time because you're only considered a God of something, generally speaking, when you're the very best at it. Also, the Sword God title is Wano-specific so he can be both at the same time. I don't recall the full details but I think Monsters implied that Ryuma was also the WSM of his time.
 
It's the same story because he was ill.
100 times out of 100 if he fights off his meds the same shit happens
How can we be certain that being stabbed by Sqardo had nothing to do with it? According to you, Kaido's title is a fake because he lacks a title box, WB's title is a fake because he was actually sick, but we should place 100% value on Mihawk's title? Oda went out of his way to hammer home the fact that WB was WSM in the build-up to and at the start of MF by having everyone and their mothers tell you so and then sticking it on the volume cover.
 
The hypocrisy is you are questioning the title box, considering how often Mihawk fans use that as the end all be all in debates. Oda, on the volume cover, "The strongest Pirate Has arrived on Marineford" You are disagreeing with Oda otherwise WB who pulled up to MF was WSP and Mihawk was a Pirate. Post heart attack/Squardo stab is a different story.

Mihawk hasn't fought Shanks in 12 years and down nothing but sit on his ass guess you can question if he really is stronger than Shanks.
I actually do think in oda's mind he wanted to portray wb as the strongest in mf
given the importance he gave to akainu ( the man who fought him) shortly after the war (became the fleet admiral
feats aside , just from a portrayal stand point thats what oda was going for.



his illness made him fall short in critical moments e.g

 
Yo
Let's see how you answer this dilemma:
The main sources of offense in One Piece are devil fruits, haki, brute strength and swords.
Shanks has no df, doubt he has much strength with one arm. He has haki and his sword.

One of the first skills Mihawk taught Zoro was coating his sword with arm. haki and denied him liquor until he achieves this.
We know Shanks can channel his conq. using his sword, and it's naturally what top tier swordsmen do.

The question is, how can Shanks compete with Mihawk when he has a physical handicap, being outskilled and an inferior sword?
The very least he can do is use his special haki and fire sword to narrow the gap, which is apparently not enough.
as long as Shanks has better CoC ... he wins
not only in front of Mihawk
in front of EVERY ONE!
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
How can we be certain that being stabbed by Sqardo had nothing to do with it? According to you, Kaido's title is a fake because he lacks a title box, WB's title is a fake because he was actually sick, but we should place 100% value on Mihawk's title? Oda went out of his way to hammer home the fact that WB was WSM in the build-up to and at the start of MF by having everyone and their mothers tell you so and then sticking it on the volume cover.
Kaido has no world's strongest title. Just rumours.
Because Marco said I knew this would happen when wb started having heart attacks
Not like he knew squardo was going to stab wb was it.
So wb was always going to do that.
 

Gol D. Roger

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I think you can headcanon your way around who it was
just like you can assume roger was the world's most wanted man
but I dont think it will ever be confirmed so its pointless.

their era didnt have most of these titles
it just had the pk and the wsm.
I agree. Everything's kind of a headcanon until we get an official confirmation, which we likely will never get like you said lmao. But we can still talk in terms of possibilities. So far, our only reason to believe Roger's era didn't have a WSS is that it was never mentioned but hardly proves it didn't exist although it's equally hard to prove it existed.
 
Zoro and Yamato beat the fuck out of Kidd or Law ... anyone has doubt about it?

CoC is the ultimate game in one piece and we still know NOTHING about it's full power ...
while you are consistent
luffy beat kaido due to df power
BB will prob surpass shanks soon due to having stronger dfs

and oda has certainly portrayed kidd and law better than those two

I think you are placing little importance on other abilities in the story.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Inconsistencies become inconsistencies only when they contradict the canon. We can't really use one inconsistency to prove something entirely different is inconsistent too. I think that's not how logic works. We can consider it canon as long as it doesn't contradict the manga. Ryuma's Sword God title goes perfectly in line with him being the WSS of his time because you're only considered a God of something, generally speaking, when you're the very best at it. Also, the Sword God title is Wano-specific so he can be both at the same time. I don't recall the full details but I think Monsters implied that Ryuma was also the WSM of his time.
I'm not saying that the story is entirely non-canon. Oda confirmed that he showed the same Ryuma in both, thats undeniable.

I'm saying that it should be treated like how Film Red is treated, with the events not being canon but the character Ryuma being canon.
 
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