Character Discussion Why Zoro is a horrible character
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It seems like the OP is actually more upset with Oda for not fulfilling their head canon of Zoro vs Smoothie. I don't know why Oda hasn't done much with Smoothie. I do think WCI and Wano have too many characters and his editors should have reeled him in and put more of a limit on how many characters per arc. I think at this point in time there is no place for Zoro vs Smoothie.
Zoro is presented as a straightforward character. On the surface he is the cool bad ass. It has been amazing to see him fight for his dream but also become the SH with arguably the most faith in Luffy's dream. It is an interesting combination of selfish but actually self sacrificing for his nakama.
Also Wano has shown Zoro interacting with different characters and more of his emotional state as well. Oda has dropped so many hints and foreshadowing about Zoro's character that I am 99% sure that he has more planned for him.
Zoro is presented as a straightforward character. On the surface he is the cool bad ass. It has been amazing to see him fight for his dream but also become the SH with arguably the most faith in Luffy's dream. It is an interesting combination of selfish but actually self sacrificing for his nakama.
Also Wano has shown Zoro interacting with different characters and more of his emotional state as well. Oda has dropped so many hints and foreshadowing about Zoro's character that I am 99% sure that he has more planned for him.
because Roger time no one knows anything about laughtale or other stuff nor anyone interested in being pirate king or they don't know that shit....Roger was the first pirate king...now competition is very high...it is like saying that you need to put same effort now and 50 years back to get the same job....
I won’t say he’s horrible character
But he’s indeed very very very bland and boring
He’s your typical cold badass character
And these characters are often the most popular despite having little to no personality
because shonen readers are young and they care mostly about power levels and cool attacks
In the young kids minds
power = great character
But he’s indeed very very very bland and boring
He’s your typical cold badass character
And these characters are often the most popular despite having little to no personality
because shonen readers are young and they care mostly about power levels and cool attacks
In the young kids minds
power = great character
Saying Zoros a bad character 
If you had said he was unoriginal sure, but to call him a bad character because narrative set up a different fight than you wanted just bad taste.
If you had said he was unoriginal sure, but to call him a bad character because narrative set up a different fight than you wanted just bad taste.
I think his personality is cool when he’s able to goof around more. And I hope with Jinbe taking over more of the “straight man” role, Zoro will get more of those happier moments in the future where he doesn’t need to be serious 24/7. For example I think Enies Lobby was peak Zoro because it combined his badassery with a lot of his humor like when he was insulting Kaku for his weird body
everything has an initial development phase before it meets its designated place/fate .. zoro too surely deserved to be on the roof top and the arc is kinda centered around him and the huge jump in power he just had.. and from him reciprocating the town folk's anguish he mustered the intention to bring down kaido.. and along with that plot came enma as the SOLE source zoro had atm to even cut Kaido in the first place.So what oda has been doing is exponentially progress zoro for his future encounter with Mihawk but with that his character has been progressing as well. and just coz zoro said he wants to cut Kaido into pieces doesn't make him certainly the one who brings him down as he just mentioned "Luffy figured something and he will win"
Now as the right hand of luffy he ought to be up there as a SN as well.. you can't blame oda that "OMG YOU HAVE MONEY FETISH BITCH THATS WHY ZORO ENDED UP ON THE ROOF" no this is a weak opinion.. it has all been set up from the beginning of wano where zoro has been independent for the most part and has been comprehending scenarios and making decisions, a personal time u may say.
So now zoro gets on the roof and he utilizes his power to full extent, we get to gauge how strong he has gotten after post time skip and what enma can do and see zoro's potential with enma so after the rooftop events his fanbase got something to wank over and they sure did wank it dry...all this bias BS about zoro on shot'in YC and all that exaggerated crap is what his (zoro's) shallow and desperate fan base comes up with which has 0 sense of reason or logic entailing it.. you can't honestly blame oda for the fact that zoro's fan base's majority are this unreasonable and adrenalin driven
Now even if you argue that Oda has a bias for zoro, he'd still know better than to blight his story to make a certain character rise above others.. Oda won't do that coz he knows what gradual progression is and its logical.. people who think zoro is going to fight king in his sorry state after he recuperates in a MATTER OF HOURS, BRUH he has 30 broken bones for lord's sake mate.. how would that even make sense it would straight up be nonsensical and a desperate attempt to show zoro off.. whilst ignoring the same development for other SHP, it would ruin his characterization . plus oda would know better to make zoro fight this trivial and underwhelming fight after making him do what he did on the roof.... and still is logically inconceivable even from a narrative stand point .
So in a nutshell if you see zoro's fans drooling over and desperately trying to show zoro off with their BS... don't take it as oda using zoro for $$.. the popularity poll is a great way to gauge how fair oda has been
1st) Luffy has got consistent gradual development every as a captain and a nakama every arc and is a great character who deserves that spot
2nd) Zoro, a 🐐 most of us Love for who he is and his ideals.
3rd) Nami, fan service, and a consistent character wise (you can actually blame oda for being a pervert for making nami )
4TH) SANJI THE GOAT, has his whole posttime skip dedicated to his character and his ideals, great character from within.. he's a classic tho he hasn't been done justice as a combatant him coming 4th is a cue unsatisfactory form many fans due to that and he as a character and combatant hasn't been holistically covered yet.
So in conclusion regardless of oda's "bias" zoro's character comes second to the MC and the runner-ups aren't even that far behind.. so Oda's mature enough to be maintain the consistency of his characters development wise and logically speaking as well, you can just ignore the BS zoro's fanbase spews honestly and try to comprehend zoro as a character and as someone with iron clad ideals... look zoro from the same light you'd look at your fav character from so that way you'd be doing justice to his character..
Zoro is an awesomesauce of a character with alot of depth to him... tyt (take ur time) and understand him and don't get your opinions of him get tainted by the bias BS his fanclub spews.. explore every aspect of him so that you know that you have understood him enough to shuv other's exaggerated and childish opinions under the rug.
Now as the right hand of luffy he ought to be up there as a SN as well.. you can't blame oda that "OMG YOU HAVE MONEY FETISH BITCH THATS WHY ZORO ENDED UP ON THE ROOF" no this is a weak opinion.. it has all been set up from the beginning of wano where zoro has been independent for the most part and has been comprehending scenarios and making decisions, a personal time u may say.
So now zoro gets on the roof and he utilizes his power to full extent, we get to gauge how strong he has gotten after post time skip and what enma can do and see zoro's potential with enma so after the rooftop events his fanbase got something to wank over and they sure did wank it dry...all this bias BS about zoro on shot'in YC and all that exaggerated crap is what his (zoro's) shallow and desperate fan base comes up with which has 0 sense of reason or logic entailing it.. you can't honestly blame oda for the fact that zoro's fan base's majority are this unreasonable and adrenalin driven
Now even if you argue that Oda has a bias for zoro, he'd still know better than to blight his story to make a certain character rise above others.. Oda won't do that coz he knows what gradual progression is and its logical.. people who think zoro is going to fight king in his sorry state after he recuperates in a MATTER OF HOURS, BRUH he has 30 broken bones for lord's sake mate.. how would that even make sense it would straight up be nonsensical and a desperate attempt to show zoro off.. whilst ignoring the same development for other SHP, it would ruin his characterization . plus oda would know better to make zoro fight this trivial and underwhelming fight after making him do what he did on the roof.... and still is logically inconceivable even from a narrative stand point .
So in a nutshell if you see zoro's fans drooling over and desperately trying to show zoro off with their BS... don't take it as oda using zoro for $$.. the popularity poll is a great way to gauge how fair oda has been
1st) Luffy has got consistent gradual development every as a captain and a nakama every arc and is a great character who deserves that spot
2nd) Zoro, a 🐐 most of us Love for who he is and his ideals.
3rd) Nami, fan service, and a consistent character wise (you can actually blame oda for being a pervert for making nami )
4TH) SANJI THE GOAT, has his whole posttime skip dedicated to his character and his ideals, great character from within.. he's a classic tho he hasn't been done justice as a combatant him coming 4th is a cue unsatisfactory form many fans due to that and he as a character and combatant hasn't been holistically covered yet.
So in conclusion regardless of oda's "bias" zoro's character comes second to the MC and the runner-ups aren't even that far behind.. so Oda's mature enough to be maintain the consistency of his characters development wise and logically speaking as well, you can just ignore the BS zoro's fanbase spews honestly and try to comprehend zoro as a character and as someone with iron clad ideals... look zoro from the same light you'd look at your fav character from so that way you'd be doing justice to his character..
Zoro is an awesomesauce of a character with alot of depth to him... tyt (take ur time) and understand him and don't get your opinions of him get tainted by the bias BS his fanclub spews.. explore every aspect of him so that you know that you have understood him enough to shuv other's exaggerated and childish opinions under the rug.
Saying Zoros a bad character
If you had said he was unoriginal sure, but to call him a bad character because narrative set up a different fight than you wanted just bad taste.
If you had said he was unoriginal sure, but to call him a bad character because narrative set up a different fight than you wanted just bad taste.
Oda is following his fanboys desires which is fighting 2 yonko he has nothing to do with in every aspect ...and probably soon even cutting kaido head as well why not this manga become so trash I will be surprised if that didn’t happen.
zoro is wasted potential...he’s shit tier character.
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Zoro is NOT a bland character!
You just haev to look a bit closer. He's not just "badass swordsman with one liners who looks cool".
Try to read One Piece without bias and then you'll see his qualities.
Your point about One Piece becoming a money making machine and a milking cow for Oda and Shueisha is true. but is doesnt directly have to do with Zoro. all characters suffer from it.
The reason Zoro vs Smoothie is not happening isOda's 'not -hurting-women' policy.
Smoothie exists solely for fans of thiccness and to have a female character in BM's crew.
You just haev to look a bit closer. He's not just "badass swordsman with one liners who looks cool".
Try to read One Piece without bias and then you'll see his qualities.
Your point about One Piece becoming a money making machine and a milking cow for Oda and Shueisha is true. but is doesnt directly have to do with Zoro. all characters suffer from it.
The reason Zoro vs Smoothie is not happening isOda's 'not -hurting-women' policy.
Smoothie exists solely for fans of thiccness and to have a female character in BM's crew.
yeah the walking plot convenience that is big mom is so much better
saw momo gettting tortured and laughed it off all of a sudden she cares about children. she has standards grazing islands to the ground for things as minute as "food and candies".
zoro stans might be a bit of a headache
but the character himself is great .
complete trust in his captain
selfless as seen on the roof putting the others before himself time and time again
The best tandem or support system anyone could ask for in the series. That is zoro
stop crying because your delusional matchup with smoothie didnt happen
Thats what you wanted
she's so incompetent she's taking orders from tamago and cant get past a door . a world of difference from her two brothers who posed more of a threat to even the mc.
what plotlines has been drawn for smoothie to take zoro on
what connections do they have
has smoothie even landed in wano
stop bitching and go do something useful
saw momo gettting tortured and laughed it off all of a sudden she cares about children. she has standards grazing islands to the ground for things as minute as "food and candies".
zoro stans might be a bit of a headache
but the character himself is great .
complete trust in his captain
selfless as seen on the roof putting the others before himself time and time again
The best tandem or support system anyone could ask for in the series. That is zoro
stop crying because your delusional matchup with smoothie didnt happen
Thats what you wanted
she's so incompetent she's taking orders from tamago and cant get past a door . a world of difference from her two brothers who posed more of a threat to even the mc.
what plotlines has been drawn for smoothie to take zoro on
what connections do they have
has smoothie even landed in wano
stop bitching and go do something useful
He is also so bland it hurts...oda making him even more bland after time skip he turned into a machine that smirks and acts edgy...he wants to fight kaido because he heard that he is the toughest guy..and I am like what about becoming world great swordman ?
in wano specifically his character was ruined for good. Ironically this is the arc he could be developed the most but whatever making money > anything for oda.
He is now wanting to be fighting Luffy opponents and slice them to pieces...
in wano specifically his character was ruined for good. Ironically this is the arc he could be developed the most but whatever making money > anything for oda.
He is now wanting to be fighting Luffy opponents and slice them to pieces...
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Do you understand Zoro's relationship to Kaido and why he wants to fight him? Do you know about the Ryuma paralleles? Do you know that Zoro is literally based on Oda's early character Ryuma and that the inclusion of 'monsters' into the canon of One Piece happened much later?
You seem to read with selective attention.
You seem to read with selective attention.