Powers & Abilities Will Blackbeard have Conqueror’s haki?
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Vivre card says CoA and CoO only, however, a lot of character are like that in vivre cards, including Garp, so it's still not certain what Oda will decide.
There is also a difference between being a basic CoC user, and being an advance CoC user. It's also interesting that Zoro got an advance CoC technique without even using the basic CoC like Kid, Chinjao, Doflamingo and Katakuri uses etc. , however, my guess is that Zoro's version is weakest advance CoC technique since he doesn't even use CoC to KO fodders, and he doesn't even understand his attack had CoC in it, he did it unconsciously, so obviously consciously advance CoC attacks will be superior to Zoro's unconscious advance CoC.
Chinjao states that the top fighters has CoC and BB is at the top of them.
Oda could give BB CoC like he gave to Chinjao, Doflamingo and Katakuri, and still not use advance CoC in his attacks, that wouldn't make a huge difference. So the question is, is he going to use advance CoC in his attacks? Probably, but CoA + Gura is already too powerful, plus he has Darkness gravity pull, which will turn Luffy's Rubber defense into nothing. So it's totally acceptable if Oda doesn't give him advance CoC in his attacks, because he will have;
Gura + CoA + Darkness which can neutralize any DF defense, so not only against Luffy's rubber, even against Hybrid Kaido, when Blackbeard hits Kaido, Kaido won't be able to tank it with his own Dragon scale DF defense, as well as any logia user won't be able to escape from Darkness's offense.
Blackbeard is probably the only person who can break rubber Luffy's bones. Because CoA doesn't cancel the DF powers, Luffy gets damage from CoA attacks, but he never breaks his bones, Darkness can do that.
So if he also gets Gura + CoA + Darkness + Advance CoC, he would probably be too overpowered even for a final villain, so we will see.
As for the arguments that says BB begged Trashbeard, you need to understand the relationship between BB and Trashbeard, BB once admired Trashbeard, but later he says Trashbeard got old and weakened. And Trashbeard accepted BB as his son once, so BB knew Trashbeard's sons is his weak point, BB used that to use his advantage, but Trashbeard didn't fall for BB's ''act'' and he tried to kill him. BB could call his crew before begging to Trashbeard, he could no-diff Trashbeard with his crew anytime he wanted. So that should debunk this idea of BB begging to Trashbeard, when he could call his crew before if he wanted.
If this is not enough for you what kind of coward throws away his Shichibukai title and challenges every Marine in Marineford, includes even Admirals? That was before being a Shichibukai. We know Doflamingo or Mihawk would never done this, they kept being a Shichibukai until the end of it, if Mihawk comes Marineford and says ''I am done with being a Shichibukai'' to the Admirals, then you can compare someone like Mihawk to Blackbeard.
Mihawk comes to marineford only to obey the commands of the World Government (which is fighting against WB pirates) and then he admits to Perona that his own island won't be safe if he loses his Shichibukai title, and he will be forced to leave his island because of losing his Shichibukai, he can't even protect his own island against the marine forces.
And before this, BB without even Gura again, invades Impel Down, and again throws away his Shichibukai title, then he underestimates Magellan, and BB doesn't beg to Magellan for an antitode. BB could say ''spare me, give me an antitode, I am a Shichibukai'' kind of thing but he didn't, he even later says to Shiryu that fearing from death is only for losers.
Oda's portrayal with BB and BB's actions completely contradicts with BB being a coward, on the contrary, BB should be craziest guy around, who can come to Marineford when all Admirals were there, and he can throw his Shichibukai title, without even having Gura, so it makes absolutely no sense to say that BB isn't the craziest guy around, even more than other Shichibukai like Doflamingo and Mihawk.
Of course, some ''so called Blackbeard fans'' (who are essentially Mihawk fans), won't like this comparison, but it's still a fact.
There is also a difference between being a basic CoC user, and being an advance CoC user. It's also interesting that Zoro got an advance CoC technique without even using the basic CoC like Kid, Chinjao, Doflamingo and Katakuri uses etc. , however, my guess is that Zoro's version is weakest advance CoC technique since he doesn't even use CoC to KO fodders, and he doesn't even understand his attack had CoC in it, he did it unconsciously, so obviously consciously advance CoC attacks will be superior to Zoro's unconscious advance CoC.
Chinjao states that the top fighters has CoC and BB is at the top of them.
Oda could give BB CoC like he gave to Chinjao, Doflamingo and Katakuri, and still not use advance CoC in his attacks, that wouldn't make a huge difference. So the question is, is he going to use advance CoC in his attacks? Probably, but CoA + Gura is already too powerful, plus he has Darkness gravity pull, which will turn Luffy's Rubber defense into nothing. So it's totally acceptable if Oda doesn't give him advance CoC in his attacks, because he will have;
Gura + CoA + Darkness which can neutralize any DF defense, so not only against Luffy's rubber, even against Hybrid Kaido, when Blackbeard hits Kaido, Kaido won't be able to tank it with his own Dragon scale DF defense, as well as any logia user won't be able to escape from Darkness's offense.
Blackbeard is probably the only person who can break rubber Luffy's bones. Because CoA doesn't cancel the DF powers, Luffy gets damage from CoA attacks, but he never breaks his bones, Darkness can do that.
So if he also gets Gura + CoA + Darkness + Advance CoC, he would probably be too overpowered even for a final villain, so we will see.
As for the arguments that says BB begged Trashbeard, you need to understand the relationship between BB and Trashbeard, BB once admired Trashbeard, but later he says Trashbeard got old and weakened. And Trashbeard accepted BB as his son once, so BB knew Trashbeard's sons is his weak point, BB used that to use his advantage, but Trashbeard didn't fall for BB's ''act'' and he tried to kill him. BB could call his crew before begging to Trashbeard, he could no-diff Trashbeard with his crew anytime he wanted. So that should debunk this idea of BB begging to Trashbeard, when he could call his crew before if he wanted.
If this is not enough for you what kind of coward throws away his Shichibukai title and challenges every Marine in Marineford, includes even Admirals? That was before being a Shichibukai. We know Doflamingo or Mihawk would never done this, they kept being a Shichibukai until the end of it, if Mihawk comes Marineford and says ''I am done with being a Shichibukai'' to the Admirals, then you can compare someone like Mihawk to Blackbeard.
Mihawk comes to marineford only to obey the commands of the World Government (which is fighting against WB pirates) and then he admits to Perona that his own island won't be safe if he loses his Shichibukai title, and he will be forced to leave his island because of losing his Shichibukai, he can't even protect his own island against the marine forces.
And before this, BB without even Gura again, invades Impel Down, and again throws away his Shichibukai title, then he underestimates Magellan, and BB doesn't beg to Magellan for an antitode. BB could say ''spare me, give me an antitode, I am a Shichibukai'' kind of thing but he didn't, he even later says to Shiryu that fearing from death is only for losers.
Oda's portrayal with BB and BB's actions completely contradicts with BB being a coward, on the contrary, BB should be craziest guy around, who can come to Marineford when all Admirals were there, and he can throw his Shichibukai title, without even having Gura, so it makes absolutely no sense to say that BB isn't the craziest guy around, even more than other Shichibukai like Doflamingo and Mihawk.
Of course, some ''so called Blackbeard fans'' (who are essentially Mihawk fans), won't like this comparison, but it's still a fact.
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He might have it but i am pretty sure his will be a weak version. Oda gave him two of the strongest DF and he still didn't dare to go against any of the other 3 yonkos which makes me think he is not confident enough that he will be victorious. Not having doubt is strongest weapon of very top haki masters.
Chances exist if Oda thinks a CoC collision between Luffy and BB would be "cool" but they are very low since he's the only top tier who has more than a devil fruit. Shanks stans in disguise want BB to have CoC so they can prepare themselves with excuses when BB puts him in a grave with his triple awakening.
The point is that BB most likely will be the EoS villain. Given the importance Oda is giving to coc either BB has it too so that he can counter, or maybe even somewhat overpower, Luffy in this field or he has something else that suffice for his lack of coc (don't know, maybe some effect of the yami yami or something we have uet to see).
I think he does have it (or will unlock it before meeting Luffy), but I don’t think he should. There’s no denying his strength, but the way he’s achieved his lofty position is just as much due to his conniving betrayal of every organization that’s welcomed him into the fold as it is his quasi-overwhelming powers. That kind of behavior can turn you into an emperor or a king, but it doesn’t truly make you a conqueror at your core.
BB is an interesting character because on one hand he is ambitious and savvy af, but on another hand he is so cowardly and would do anything including begging. His ambition is on par with all other CoC users, but his cowardice is something we don't see with CoC users.
Personally i don't think he will have CoC, simply because he would be too OP with 2 (more possibly more) DFs and CoC.
I mean he would be the only dude with 2 or more DFs, so having CoC isn't necessary to make him the final (or next to) opponent.
Personally i don't think he will have CoC, simply because he would be too OP with 2 (more possibly more) DFs and CoC.
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I mean he would be the only dude with 2 or more DFs, so having CoC isn't necessary to make him the final (or next to) opponent.
Exactly. Most if not all CoC users have seen would die in battles instead of begging and crying for a chance to live
Shanks didn't get traumatized by BB. i dunno where you get that from. He literally warned WB about BB, so Ace won't get killed/captured by BB. Him acknowledging BB is stronger than Ace doesn't mean he is traumatized by BB.
If anything BB is scared of Shanks, the first thing Shanks showed up in marineford to ask for fight, BB asked his crew to gtfo 😂
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So called Shanks traumatized by this despicable character so much he put the scar on his flag...
Shanks can't stop thinking about how terrifying Teach is, he goes to tell others about it...
Shanks can't stop thinking about how terrifying Teach is, he goes to tell others about it...
If anything BB is scared of Shanks, the first thing Shanks showed up in marineford to ask for fight, BB asked his crew to gtfo 😂
In my own headcanon, Blackbeard's background and plot would be related to the D. family, their relationship with devil fruits and the connection between these and souls and, therefore, will (or haki). He wouldn't be capable of developing haki, and therefore would go for three devil fruits that could grant him abilities mimicking it: the Yami Yami, for armament; the Gura Gura, for conqueror's; and the mythical model of the Hito Hito, for observation (because of enlightenment as related to "seeing and feeling beyond yourself"). These three would also represent the strongest fruits in their categories.
Of course, this was debunked the moment Teach was confirmed as an armament and observation user.
Of course, this was debunked the moment Teach was confirmed as an armament and observation user.