Powers & Abilities Will Kid get advCoC by EoS?

[Wh1p]

Well since I haven't already stated my opinion, I think it depends on how important his future role is. He could already be reaching his peak along with Law if he's just going to do some stuff in the final war (Law's role will definitely be big). It's obvious that Kid's crew is dogshit besides Killer and they don't even really have territory.

I see Kid as a contrast to Luffy, someone with the same level of willpower to achieve their goal but with a drastically different path. The reason why Luffy learned ryuo and later advCoC, is due to his inhernt selfless nature (helping Hyogoro). We see this with many of the straw hats, as Zoro only gained enma because he defended Hiyori, which also allowed him to get advCoC. This can be applied with the raid suit being given to Sanji after helping the family he wanted nothing to do with, which allowed him to reach the full potential of his passion flames.

In comparison, Kid is someone who seemingly only lives for himself and his crew, and doesn't draw people towards his cause (for example, Luffy learned haki from Rayleigh because of how he mirrored Roger not wanting to conquer anything etc.). This doesn't mean Kid can't advance his haki obviously as many oppressors and selfish beings have made it to the top, however not at the rate the straw hats do. You also have to be a very special person to even become a Yonko.

I don't think the idea should be ruled out, but I also don't think captain trio fans should hold onto the idea that Kid will improve a lot from now on. At the end of the day, I see Kid as someone who shows the reader the consequences one could face when only living for themselves. Plus, Blackbeard is going to be the actual antithesis to Luffy.

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I mean, why not?

he was one of the few supernova willing to fight the yonko whereas others just submitted to them.

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Imo all of the roof 5 should be advanced conquerors, as they are portrayed to be leaders of the next gen. It’s just that they cannot all get it at once.

First Luffy and Zoro

Then Kid and Law

then killer.

Jimbei didn't submit to Big Mom, and he was even a pirate captain. Does this mean he's a conqueror? Cmon now we already know it's much deeper than that.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Kid must get it if he's gonna be anything like the contemporary Yonko or the admirals at EoS. Luffy has extraordinary raw fighting skills, physical prowess, advanced Haki forms of all 3 kinds, and an OP DF and its awakening. He's still not guaranteed to be above the most full-fledged top-tiers. I don't get how people even pretend like Kid with his average raw fighting skills, barely 1st tier DF's awakening, and little to no advanced Haki prowess could keep up Luffy of all things.

Even Law—with an extremely OP fruit and intelligence—has a better claim to be a proper rival to Luffy than Kid as of now. They both aren't half as good as Luffy but Law is better than Kid, to say the least—I am not even trying to be disrespectful here. Kid's extraordinary physical prowess, which even Luffy possesses, can only take him so far. Advanced Haki forms are the only thing that can save Kid from forever being below Law as a rival to Luffy.

 

[Screws Loose242]

Nope he relies to much on his df plus he hasn't even use it once during the war and in the anime he couldn't even knock out a folder

 

[Wh1p]

Kid must get it if he's gonna be anything like the contemporary Yonko or the admirals at EoS. Luffy has extraordinary raw fighting skills, physical prowess, advanced Haki forms of all 3 kinds, and an OP DF and its awakening. He's still not guaranteed to be above the most full-fledged top-tiers. I don't get how people even pretend like Kid with his average raw fighting skills, barely 1st tier DF's awakening, and little to no advanced Haki prowess could keep up Luffy of all things.

Even Law—with an extremely OP fruit and intelligence—has a better claim to be a proper rival to Luffy than Kid as of now. They both aren't half as good as Luffy but Law is better than Kid, to say the least—I am not even trying to be disrespectful here. Kid's extraordinary physical prowess, which even Luffy possesses, can only take him so far. Advanced Haki forms are the only thing that can save Kid from forever being below Law as a rival to Luffy.

Considering Law is a more central character and more popular, perhaps that is the intention.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Considering Law is a more central character and more popular, perhaps that is the intention.

Originally, Kid is meant to be the most important Worstgen Supernova among Luffy's rivals. That's why his crew is structured identically to the SHs. Law ended up being popular and very involved unintentionally. Kid is still the number one rival to Luffy among the SN. He'll have a bigger role than Law in the future. I think Oda made Law outshine Kid temporarily because he's got plans to use him against BB all along.

 

[Hakaishin]

It's possible but I don't think it's likely. in the arc where more focus was placed on haki oda insisted on drawing law and kid fighting exclusively with their akuma no mi makes me believe that oda's goal is to make law and kid exclusive akuma no mi fighters. it could be that they have a haki bloom and improve and acquire advanced observation and armament and even advanced conqueror but I tend to find it unlikely

Originally, Kid is meant to be the most important Worstgen Supernova among Luffy's rivals. That's why his crew is structured identically to the SHs. Law ended up being popular and very involved unintentionally. Kid is still the number one rival to Luffy among the SN. He'll have a bigger role than Law in the future. I think Oda made Law outshine Kid temporarily because he's got plans to use him against BB all along.

I disagree. oda had this idea at first but he discarded it very quickly, proof of this is that since pre time skip law it has a greater importance than kid and even more hype. in the final war both will play important roles but law will play the most important role between them. apart from luffy and zoro law is the most important supernova and oda has been building a very important role with law, with him having the ultimate fruit, being a D. having a relationship with the sacred treasure of mary geoise and with the surname water which i believe that will still be of great importance

 

[ConquistadoR]

Originally, Kid is meant to be the most important Worstgen Supernova among Luffy's rivals. That's why his crew is structured identically to the SHs. Law ended up being popular and very involved unintentionally. Kid is still the number one rival to Luffy among the SN. He'll have a bigger role than Law in the future. I think Oda made Law outshine Kid temporarily because he's got plans to use him against BB all along.

The immortality operation has been a Chekhov's Gun since Dressrosa.
I don't think Law will survive till the EoS, he'll most likely revive Luffy using the immortality operation at some point.

 

[Chiji_]

Yes I believe so because I think Luffy should duel one of his supernova rivals and Kid fits the bill as someone also competing for pirate king. He’ll need this buff and Killer needs something as well, wouldn’t be surprised if he was a conqueror as well

 

[Killer#777]

It's obvious that Kid's crew is dogshit besides Killer and they don't even really have territory.

where is this coming from and why assume he doesn't have any territory at all?

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Midd's CoC = Color of Cheerleader

 

[Killer#777]

Zoro's CoC = Color of Cheerleader

this is more accurate.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

this is more accurate.

 

[Killer#777]

Just stating facts. There's a differences to work with someone and working for someone. Zoro is the latter.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Just stating facts. There's a differences to work with someone and working for someone. Zoro is the latter.

I already betrayed the Zoro fanbase so Idc
Try harder

 

[SakazOuki]

He better get it or he ain't getting out of high tier

 

[Killer#777]

He better get it or he ain't getting out of high tier

kid was already high tier without it. Neither kid nor law needs ryou since they already found ways to damage their opponents without the use of it.

 

[SparagusParty]

I remember back when Kidd first appeared at Sabaody, I had such high hopes for him. In those days, when One Piece was still relatively new for me - the days when I had seen this was sometime after these arcs were animated, but not when they were brand new. Even still, this was many years ago, and I was probably closer to age 20-22 at the time, still not all that far from my teenager days.

With the sheer amount of time that passes, personal opinions and tastes change towards "characters previously held sacred", if you will. In my case, I still like the series very much, but the things I appreciate in it and the areas where I see the value are somewhat different. It is interesting, almost a matter worthy of its own psychological study.


My relationship as a former "Eustass Captain Kidd" fan can be described in some very "One Piece" terms, this way:

If Sanji with his personal drama on whole cake Island were representative of Eustass Kidd, and Luffy waiting for him to come back with the meal was representative of me both waiting for Kidd to have either more character development or a showing of power and potential at least comparable to Trafalgar Law if nothing else... then, in this picture, Eustass-Sanji comes back many years later finally realizing how stupid this all was... and he finds me gone.

Eustass Captain Kidd has just taken too darn long. He has become so overwhelmingly disappointing. Sure he is strong, and we can make the argument that the panels in Wano - the battle with Kaidou and Big Mom - did not do him proper justice or scale him well. Perhaps.

Yet even with all that considered, it feels like Eustass Captain Kidd is an ancient relic of the past, a dilapidated, derelict and rotten old ship falling apart at the seams still trying to cling on to the glory days of Sabaody archipelago, yet all in vain... being pathetically pushed around in obscure seas until it finally, by age and sufficiency of rot, sinks into the dreadful abyss.

 

[Killer#777]

I remember back when Kidd first appeared at Sabaody, I had such high hopes for him. In those days, when One Piece was still relatively new for me - the days when I had seen this was sometime after these arcs were animated, but not when they were brand new. Even still, this was many years ago, and I was probably closer to age 20-22 at the time, still not all that far from my teenager days.

With the sheer amount of time that passes, personal opinions and tastes change towards "characters previously held sacred", if you will. In my case, I still like the series very much, but the things I appreciate in it and the areas where I see the value are somewhat different. It is interesting, almost a matter worthy of its own psychological study.


My relationship as a former "Eustass Captain Kidd" fan can be described in some very "One Piece" terms, this way:

If Sanji with his personal drama on whole cake Island were representative of Eustass Kidd, and Luffy waiting for him to come back with the meal was representative of me both waiting for Kidd to have either more character development or a showing of power and potential at least comparable to Trafalgar Law if nothing else... then, in this picture, Eustass-Sanji comes back many years later finally realizing how stupid this all was... and he finds me gone.

Eustass Captain Kidd has just taken too darn long. He has become so overwhelmingly disappointing. Sure he is strong, and we can make the argument that the panels in Wano - the battle with Kaidou and Big Mom - did not do him proper justice or scale him well. Perhaps.

Yet even with all that considered, it feels like Eustass Captain Kidd is an ancient relic of the past, a dilapidated, derelict and rotten old ship falling apart at the seams still trying to cling on to the glory days of Sabaody archipelago, yet all in vain... being pathetically pushed around in obscure seas until it finally, by age and sufficiency of rot, sinks into the dreadful abyss.

seems to me you weren't much of a kid's fan at all.

 

[Wh1p]

where is this coming from and why assume he doesn't have any territory at all?

Kids crew doesn't do shit, weaker than tobbi roppo

He has his hideout we know nothing else

 

[SparagusParty]

seems to me you weren't much of a kid's fan at all.

Ahhh, the old "You were never one of us", "Your faith was never real" argument, eh? I've seen that about a billion times from every fandom, ideological and religious group at this point. Still...fair enough, I will receive the criticism and endure it with strength. It's possible there might be some legitimacy to it. In general I do suspect Kidd will receive improvement, anyways.

Honestly, if Kidd suddenly gets more attention - I wouldn't jump on his bandwagon, but I would not be disappointed at all either. The concept of his powers in his devil fruit are very workable, and the incorporation of more haki-empowered melee and ranged attacks into his arsenal, especially with Adv. CoC would be a great upgrade for him - in my opinion it would certainly solidify him in the top tier. I also imagine his skills could augment his movement (rapid movement/transportation and evasion and distance closing techniques) greatly. In terms of that element of power display (movement, etc.), Oda gave us basically nothing for Kidd compared to the theoretical and predictable output.

I think a bit of disappointment on the part of the people is not so much a personal issue of Eustass Kidd himself, but rather the execution of Oda at that point might have been flawed. There was likely too much of a radical over-emphasis of Trafalgar Law. I don't even hate Law, but it feels to me like he was given some amount of special/preferential treatment at the cost of Eustass Captain Kidd. I would have preferred they were pictured a little more closely to the introduction of Sabaody where they seemed almost equally if not equally imposing. I do understand Law's importance to the story, as evidenced by the recent battle with Blackbeard.. and yet still, the same point comes off as bitter sweet. If Kidd's "Time to shine" is only coming at Elbaf or Blackbeard's home island, then it feels like he was made to lose face by the procrastination of the moment. It's very much the same concept that the Usopp fandom suffers from - or at least the portion of them that hoped or does still hope to have a character growth bringing in a major increase in both strength and character and possibly a day where he stops being so sensitive to his fears/lying as frequently. In his case the hope was raised up most notably in the days of Water Seven, Thriller Bark and the immediate introduction of the time-skip and again, to this day it feels like progress is abysmal for Usopp. Some people will indeed remain perfectly patient and defence and stand the test of time if Oda should deliver, but indeed not everyone is going to survive time's brutal ravages. There are times where prolonging a reveal has more of a backfiring effect. Not always, that is not an absolute rule either and it is debatable, of course. In the case of those two characters mentioned, I am not sure I agree with Oda's methods even if he does do them a great justice later in the story.

But that's just me and my personal view/thought.