Break Week Will Luffy find out about Garp next chapter?
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We already have the giants and Usopp hyping the arc, plus the man waiting on the shore in order to supposedly add more hype. Then imo it is pretty much set in stone Elbaf is the next arc. Just imagine if now Luffy decides to go to Bee hive, that man waiting on the shore would look like a total idiot lol (actively destroying all his hype and so the hype of Oda's infamous silhouettes, which actually wouldn't be a bad thing).
Imo Luffy and co will simply and conveniently not hear about that piece of news (the eventual Garp plot is a side plot which could eventually collide with Luffy and co in an eventual Marineford 2.0), or they hear about it and Luffy doesn't give a damn because he wants to live his adventure and by doing so Oda would stain the golden boy image he built in these decades (so they will not hear anything about it).
Imo Luffy and co will simply and conveniently not hear about that piece of news (the eventual Garp plot is a side plot which could eventually collide with Luffy and co in an eventual Marineford 2.0), or they hear about it and Luffy doesn't give a damn because he wants to live his adventure and by doing so Oda would stain the golden boy image he built in these decades (so they will not hear anything about it).
The guy on the shore could be a nobody fraud or a ally. The only way I see it being a major arc that fully takes place on Elbaf, is if the guy is Shiki or somebody established and strong, of which there aren't many candidates. It'd be the weirdest thing ever if Oda added a completely new random super strong Yonko level we've never heard of before, after he showed off all the major contenders of the OP already. Shanks clone sitting on Elbaf instead of Mari Jois would be weird too. So it is possible for Elbaf arc basically being a jumpboard to Fullalead. With Elbaf being Wano, and Fullalead being Onigashima.
Oda will never betray his dark silhouettes lol. The guy could not be strong, actually I doubt he will be, but most likely will have some relevance for the plot at the very least (be it thean with the burned scar, a pirate from Roger crew etc.).
About Elbaf it is a bit weird we don't know yet the villain of that arc, in the past he/she was always clear from even before the arc started and added to the hype (Doffy and Dressrosa, BM and WCI, Kaido and Wano), we didn't have one revealed yet back in Punkhazard or Zou where actually there wasn't any (Jack can not be counted in that role since Zunisha oneshotted him and the crew could destroy him as well). But I doubt this will be just a small link arc like Zou, too much hype around Elbaf. What is a little strange is that there is no villain yet. Imo BB is impossible since he will be the final, we just had first Kaido and now 5 guys around Kaido level, a yonko level villain is the bar minimum but BB and Shanks are not available basically, Buggy with Mihawk doesn't sound much well.. I don't know but imo this will not be a small arc and the SHs are not going to fight BB anytime soon.
About Elbaf it is a bit weird we don't know yet the villain of that arc, in the past he/she was always clear from even before the arc started and added to the hype (Doffy and Dressrosa, BM and WCI, Kaido and Wano), we didn't have one revealed yet back in Punkhazard or Zou where actually there wasn't any (Jack can not be counted in that role since Zunisha oneshotted him and the crew could destroy him as well). But I doubt this will be just a small link arc like Zou, too much hype around Elbaf. What is a little strange is that there is no villain yet. Imo BB is impossible since he will be the final, we just had first Kaido and now 5 guys around Kaido level, a yonko level villain is the bar minimum but BB and Shanks are not available basically, Buggy with Mihawk doesn't sound much well.. I don't know but imo this will not be a small arc and the SHs are not going to fight BB anytime soon.
I hope he finds out and I hope he goes to save him. I don’t care if he gets captured by the BB pirates. But imagine Luffy raiding Hachinosu with all of his allies. The marines find out and Koby shows up to help. Then Sabo finds out and forces Dragons hand.
Black beard is lucky I’m not the writer because kidnapping Garp would have been the end of his days as a pirate.
Black beard is lucky I’m not the writer because kidnapping Garp would have been the end of his days as a pirate.
BB definitely won't be final. Imu is final. Big Mom coming back with a Kaido homie is on the board, but I think its extremely unlikely at this point. I feel like Oda is done with BM. But for Elbaf to be a big arc, a major villain lineup is mandatory. The final war is definitely gonna be the final, after Luffy becomes the pirate king, so that rules out the Gorosei and Imu, I mean, them mere fact that Oda didn't allow a single Gorosei to go down in Egghead, not even Saturn pretty much confirms that Imu and Gorosei are final. Shanks has connections to the WG, and with his parallels to Roger and connections to the WG/cloning stuff going, he'll also most likely be either Laugh Tale/Lode Star or final war. So that leaves really only 2 major forces that can take the spot. BB and Akainu. Of those 2, BB makes more sense since the BBP were much more active in Egghead Arc, but at the end, we could get a "fine, I'll do it myself" from Akainu. Unless Luffy is fighting Mihawk there's no chance of Cross Guild either, Oda will never allow Luffy to have a meme fight whilst the other straw members get actual fights. So it really only is BB or Akainu, of this BB sounds the most likely, off course the mysterious man could throw a wrench in it, but unless his Shiki or somebody strong from Roger's era, don't bet on it, even then I don't see him being a villain. Which leaves BB. There's nothing stopping the straw hats from going to fight BB, in fact this is the most likely time, at this point in the story he can still be a threat. Won't be true for much longer though since OG Joy Boy, Shanks and Imu all are on a completely different level in regards to haki and BB can't match up to that with his hax, the only time he can be a meaningful threat is now, whilst Luffy is fruit spamming, the moment he gets haki buffs BB will become too weak to pose a threat. So in this regard, BB will definitely be the soonest to go down, maybe Akainu, but with the trajectory of the story going towards haki buffs, there isn't any space for BB to pose as a fearsome villain anymore, unless Oda plans on making BB and Aokiji 2v1 Luffy. Other then that, I think BB will serve as a catalyst for Luffy levelling his haki up.
BB was set as the final villain from the moment of his introduction, there is no changing that. Not even a Kaguya wannabe final villain introduced close to the end of the manga.
Actually I get that there is the villain problem for the next arc, the gorosei had already been used, Im of course is still too soon and like you said Akainu and BB could sound good. Yet why should BB go to Elbaf? Law already gave him his road poneglyph so he will just keep looking for the OP like Shanks is probably doing, at the very least you can expect them to meet at Lode star but not before.
Akainu on the other hand has a sense, even if it is unlikely: we saw Aokiji and the BB pirates vs Garp then we had Kizaru vs Luffy so what is left now is Akainu and so he has to get a fight quite soon. Even if actually instead of having him as the villain of Elbaf (how would that be possible? Really weird starting from the point we are now in the story, also he is weaker than Kaido so not fitted to be the villain of Elbaf) we could have a side fight just like Aokiji, like for example Akainu vs Dragon.
Going back to BB he has yet to grow to his full potential, also it is important to know that BB is the only villain that grows in time (dfless WB underling, captain with the yami, shiki with the yami, emperor with the yami and the gura..) and most likely he will get both a 3rd devil fruit and maybe awaken the yami into a moon god or something. It is also to note that Shanks is an important character who acts in a way as the world guardian (he stopped the war, kept the balance, a sort of Mediv from WoW) yet he isn't worried about goroseis, WG, navies or what not, he is worried about BB (and that is Oda telling us something).
Actually I get that there is the villain problem for the next arc, the gorosei had already been used, Im of course is still too soon and like you said Akainu and BB could sound good. Yet why should BB go to Elbaf? Law already gave him his road poneglyph so he will just keep looking for the OP like Shanks is probably doing, at the very least you can expect them to meet at Lode star but not before.
Akainu on the other hand has a sense, even if it is unlikely: we saw Aokiji and the BB pirates vs Garp then we had Kizaru vs Luffy so what is left now is Akainu and so he has to get a fight quite soon. Even if actually instead of having him as the villain of Elbaf (how would that be possible? Really weird starting from the point we are now in the story, also he is weaker than Kaido so not fitted to be the villain of Elbaf) we could have a side fight just like Aokiji, like for example Akainu vs Dragon.
Going back to BB he has yet to grow to his full potential, also it is important to know that BB is the only villain that grows in time (dfless WB underling, captain with the yami, shiki with the yami, emperor with the yami and the gura..) and most likely he will get both a 3rd devil fruit and maybe awaken the yami into a moon god or something. It is also to note that Shanks is an important character who acts in a way as the world guardian (he stopped the war, kept the balance, a sort of Mediv from WoW) yet he isn't worried about goroseis, WG, navies or what not, he is worried about BB (and that is Oda telling us something).
BB was never set to be the final villain from the start. That was only headcanon. Oda never went around saying he'd be guaranteed to be the final villain and even if he did, it wouldn't have mattered, because Oda said Luffy was a paramecia before too....Until he wasn't. Oda's idea change and they have done so plenty of times. Imu is the final villain. Short of copium and hopium there is nothing saying BB will be the final villain. It was never guaranteed or set in stone. Going by recent chapters Imu is the most likely final villain. Not Blackbeard.
There are plenty of reasons for BB to go to Elbaf (or vice versa):
-The final road poneglyph. It makes the most sense its on Elbaf. BB has 3 at max from Law, who never made it to Elbaf. Zou/Wano from Law and they got Big Moms one when they attack WCI. He literally can't keep looking for One Piece until they get the 4 road poneglyphs to go to Lode Star.
-Burn scar man. BB was looking for him. Its likely his on Elbaf, so he would want to go there to find him (if the final poneglyph isn't on Elbaf)
-Want to go after Luffys fruit
-Luffy could do a raid from Elbaf to Fullalead, due to Garp
There's no point in BB going to Elbaf. In fact, its less likely his even reaching there because he revealed his dream to be wanting to make Fullalead a kingdom recognised by the WG and he himself as the king.
Dragon isn't the MC. If Elbaf is a big arc then Luffy himself having a fight is guaranteed. Its either BB or Akainu. If they aren't dealt with here, then it makes no chance for either to stand a chance against EOS Luffy, now that we know just how strong OG Joy Boy was. That's not important to note anymore. Nothing about that says that he can be a final villain. He can't. His too weak and Oda has constantly made it a point of how weak he is. Its likely he already got his final fruit and just needs to reveal it, if not it being on Elbaf makes just as much sense. That doesn't matter either. For one we literally saw now that Shanks himself is hiding something with his mysterious clones, and Saturn revealed that he had a special lineage as well. All of those reveals coming is Oda telling us that Blackbeard fight is coming soon. Which is why him being the villain for Elbaf Arc makes the most sense.
There are plenty of reasons for BB to go to Elbaf (or vice versa):
-The final road poneglyph. It makes the most sense its on Elbaf. BB has 3 at max from Law, who never made it to Elbaf. Zou/Wano from Law and they got Big Moms one when they attack WCI. He literally can't keep looking for One Piece until they get the 4 road poneglyphs to go to Lode Star.
-Burn scar man. BB was looking for him. Its likely his on Elbaf, so he would want to go there to find him (if the final poneglyph isn't on Elbaf)
-Want to go after Luffys fruit
-Luffy could do a raid from Elbaf to Fullalead, due to Garp
There's no point in BB going to Elbaf. In fact, its less likely his even reaching there because he revealed his dream to be wanting to make Fullalead a kingdom recognised by the WG and he himself as the king.
Dragon isn't the MC. If Elbaf is a big arc then Luffy himself having a fight is guaranteed. Its either BB or Akainu. If they aren't dealt with here, then it makes no chance for either to stand a chance against EOS Luffy, now that we know just how strong OG Joy Boy was. That's not important to note anymore. Nothing about that says that he can be a final villain. He can't. His too weak and Oda has constantly made it a point of how weak he is. Its likely he already got his final fruit and just needs to reveal it, if not it being on Elbaf makes just as much sense. That doesn't matter either. For one we literally saw now that Shanks himself is hiding something with his mysterious clones, and Saturn revealed that he had a special lineage as well. All of those reveals coming is Oda telling us that Blackbeard fight is coming soon. Which is why him being the villain for Elbaf Arc makes the most sense.
I think he was and I am pretty sure there us quite some people with my same identical headcanon, I wonder why. Anyway of course I'm not in Oda's mind, I could be wrong but that would be Oda discarding something he kept on building for years, so imo it is unlikely he will change him for Im.
I don't get if you are arguing for BB to go to Elbaf or against it. Anyway the only valid reason, at least for now, among the ones you posted is if Luffy decides to go himself after him at Beehive when and if he learns about Garp, but chance is not very strong as of now, Luffy will have a long Elbaf arc (1 or 2 years are to be expected) where he stays there ans explores every angle, if he learns about Garp he will probably leave asap.
About BB and Elbaf: Let's see, if BB shows some good power up (3rd df, yami awakening) then we can admit he grows like Luffy and can reach even Joyboy (if the yami really awakens) so there is no need for him to be dealt at this point, this or already another villain for Elbaf is revealed and it lose meaning to discuss about BB powering up or not.
About Akainu and Elbaf: it is true that for him it is now or never powerwise, if you want the true for ke actually Akainu is already left behind at this point considering how Luffy dealt with Kizaru. But even putting aside the problem of how to make sense for Akainu to be the villain of Elbaf (it would be even harder than putting BB there), we just had an arc full of marines and gorosei, having Akainu right next would be redundant. Also you don't need to be the MC to beat Akainu, he is not so important, so having Dragon beat him (or even Sabo but that is maybe for EoS), or at least fight him, would not be strange at all. Afterall his "brother" Aokiji fought with Garp while the other one had a fight with Luffy but a fight that was underwhelming for Kizaru, he was even turned into a pizza together with a gorosei, almost treated like Luffy was on a different tier (and actually with Nika we could already be at that point). So having Luffy fight Akainu could also be already too late. And Akainu, despite being the fleet admiral, is still a clog in the WG machine, he can not leave that desk, we know that since in the timeskip he has been nicknamed Deskainu. If he was really a demon then the gorosei could decide to unleash him to get retribution on the SHs.. but he is as powerful as Kizaru (a little more) or at best a gorosei, they will keep him chained at that desk (or somewhat send him to his fight with Dragon or other possible candidates).
I don't get if you are arguing for BB to go to Elbaf or against it. Anyway the only valid reason, at least for now, among the ones you posted is if Luffy decides to go himself after him at Beehive when and if he learns about Garp, but chance is not very strong as of now, Luffy will have a long Elbaf arc (1 or 2 years are to be expected) where he stays there ans explores every angle, if he learns about Garp he will probably leave asap.
About BB and Elbaf: Let's see, if BB shows some good power up (3rd df, yami awakening) then we can admit he grows like Luffy and can reach even Joyboy (if the yami really awakens) so there is no need for him to be dealt at this point, this or already another villain for Elbaf is revealed and it lose meaning to discuss about BB powering up or not.
About Akainu and Elbaf: it is true that for him it is now or never powerwise, if you want the true for ke actually Akainu is already left behind at this point considering how Luffy dealt with Kizaru. But even putting aside the problem of how to make sense for Akainu to be the villain of Elbaf (it would be even harder than putting BB there), we just had an arc full of marines and gorosei, having Akainu right next would be redundant. Also you don't need to be the MC to beat Akainu, he is not so important, so having Dragon beat him (or even Sabo but that is maybe for EoS), or at least fight him, would not be strange at all. Afterall his "brother" Aokiji fought with Garp while the other one had a fight with Luffy but a fight that was underwhelming for Kizaru, he was even turned into a pizza together with a gorosei, almost treated like Luffy was on a different tier (and actually with Nika we could already be at that point). So having Luffy fight Akainu could also be already too late. And Akainu, despite being the fleet admiral, is still a clog in the WG machine, he can not leave that desk, we know that since in the timeskip he has been nicknamed Deskainu. If he was really a demon then the gorosei could decide to unleash him to get retribution on the SHs.. but he is as powerful as Kizaru (a little more) or at best a gorosei, they will keep him chained at that desk (or somewhat send him to his fight with Dragon or other possible candidates).
