Questions & Mysteries Will Oda Flip the Script
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I wouldn't count Oars, he was more like an addition to Moria as main villain that couldn't be taken down individually. It was clear for me that Ryuma and Absalom were Moria's top two subordinates.
And Nami "settled things" with Absalom. The one who defeated him was Sanji, the only reason Nami was able to take him down again was his previous defeat by the cook.
The thing I see with Oda is that he usually wants everything. For example, he wanted Pell to sacrifice himself yet wasn't brave enough to take him out of picture; wanted a sad moment with Pound but couldn't leave him dead because he needed to meet his daughters again; wanted the minks to take revenge on Jack but probably still wants him to have a proper versus as Neko and Inu fight and go down against Kaido; and so on.
So yes, obviously he wants to write this clash between the old and the new generation of piracy, but it wouldn't surprise me if he couldn't help but put Zoro against an individual enemy to give him a more classic versus; and again, the team of King and Queen strongly reminds of other pairs of enemies Zoro and Sanji have taken down.
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Personally I'm no fan of Sanji nor Zoro, so am I allowed to share my opinions without you trying to mock them with fallacious approaches?
And Nami "settled things" with Absalom. The one who defeated him was Sanji, the only reason Nami was able to take him down again was his previous defeat by the cook.
The thing I see with Oda is that he usually wants everything. For example, he wanted Pell to sacrifice himself yet wasn't brave enough to take him out of picture; wanted a sad moment with Pound but couldn't leave him dead because he needed to meet his daughters again; wanted the minks to take revenge on Jack but probably still wants him to have a proper versus as Neko and Inu fight and go down against Kaido; and so on.
So yes, obviously he wants to write this clash between the old and the new generation of piracy, but it wouldn't surprise me if he couldn't help but put Zoro against an individual enemy to give him a more classic versus; and again, the team of King and Queen strongly reminds of other pairs of enemies Zoro and Sanji have taken down.
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Personally I'm no fan of Sanji nor Zoro, so am I allowed to share my opinions without you trying to mock them with fallacious approaches?
The reasons its important, its because alabasta and ennies lobby have the most iconic matchups sequences.
And in these sequences, zoro fought the strongest goon, while sanji fought the next strongest.
Since Oda does indeed mix his formula a bit every arc, it didnt happen for a while. Why? Because there were tons of solo luffy arcs in The Middle.
Who did zoro and sanji fought and won in sabaody? Sentoumaru? No. Kizaru? No. They come back2 years later and they are the ones that find luffy and beat a pacifista together. They are the ones that can use haki, aside from luffy.
Zoro and sanji block the goons for luffy on FI, zoro takes oj the sword octopussy, who was the strongest goon, second to him, it was the giant dude, knocked out by sanji, something jinbei failed to do.
After that, they start fighting all over the place and then get separated in dressrosa. Only now in wano they come back together. And still they are put together side by side. At yasuie execution. They are the only 2 SH to clash with SN. But OMG if someone put them back together. What are they thinking? What kind of delusional bastard would put them together just because oda keeps doint it on a regular basis?
And in these sequences, zoro fought the strongest goon, while sanji fought the next strongest.
Since Oda does indeed mix his formula a bit every arc, it didnt happen for a while. Why? Because there were tons of solo luffy arcs in The Middle.
Who did zoro and sanji fought and won in sabaody? Sentoumaru? No. Kizaru? No. They come back2 years later and they are the ones that find luffy and beat a pacifista together. They are the ones that can use haki, aside from luffy.
Zoro and sanji block the goons for luffy on FI, zoro takes oj the sword octopussy, who was the strongest goon, second to him, it was the giant dude, knocked out by sanji, something jinbei failed to do.
After that, they start fighting all over the place and then get separated in dressrosa. Only now in wano they come back together. And still they are put together side by side. At yasuie execution. They are the only 2 SH to clash with SN. But OMG if someone put them back together. What are they thinking? What kind of delusional bastard would put them together just because oda keeps doint it on a regular basis?
The reasons its important, its because alabasta and ennies lobby have the most iconic matchups sequences.
And in these sequences, zoro fought the strongest goon, while sanji fought the next strongest.
Since Oda does indeed mix his formula a bit every arc, it didnt happen for a while. Why? Because there were tons of solo luffy arcs in The Middle.
Who did zoro and sanji fought and won in sabaody? Sentoumaru? No. Kizaru? No. They come back2 years later and they are the ones that find luffy and beat a pacifista together. They are the ones that can use haki, aside from luffy.
Zoro and sanji block the goons for luffy on FI, zoro takes oj the sword octopussy, who was the strongest goon, second to him, it was the giant dude, knocked out by sanji, something jinbei failed to do.
After that, they start fighting all over the place and then get separated in dressrosa. Only now in wano they come back together. And still they are put together side by side. At yasuie execution. They are the only 2 SH to clash with SN. But OMG if someone put them back together. What are they thinking? What kind of delusional bastard would put them together just because oda keeps doint it on a regular basis?
And in these sequences, zoro fought the strongest goon, while sanji fought the next strongest.
Since Oda does indeed mix his formula a bit every arc, it didnt happen for a while. Why? Because there were tons of solo luffy arcs in The Middle.
Who did zoro and sanji fought and won in sabaody? Sentoumaru? No. Kizaru? No. They come back2 years later and they are the ones that find luffy and beat a pacifista together. They are the ones that can use haki, aside from luffy.
Zoro and sanji block the goons for luffy on FI, zoro takes oj the sword octopussy, who was the strongest goon, second to him, it was the giant dude, knocked out by sanji, something jinbei failed to do.
After that, they start fighting all over the place and then get separated in dressrosa. Only now in wano they come back together. And still they are put together side by side. At yasuie execution. They are the only 2 SH to clash with SN. But OMG if someone put them back together. What are they thinking? What kind of delusional bastard would put them together just because oda keeps doint it on a regular basis?
I agree 5v2 is a lot of assistance, I also think it makes sense since if Luffy were to defeat the "strongest" pirate/creature right now 1v1, there is no point of going 1v1 vs shanks or bb because Luffy would be considered the strongest pirate and would presumably beat BB and Shanks in 1v1
I personally like the worstgen emphasis, i think this war is their real notoriety going to be coming up and let the world know they are the new powers in New World
I personally like the worstgen emphasis, i think this war is their real notoriety going to be coming up and let the world know they are the new powers in New World
You are right, i went off assumption, but Zoro and Luffy never tag teammed vs main antagonist, Luffy fought Morgan then Zoro finished him off bec Luffy had his back turned and Morgan was about to attack.
Its why I find this interesting no one going into Wano remotely saw this happening where Luffy and Zoro face Kaido together
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You make a lot of fair points, but for me In this post I am considering their 2 1v1s the script and which most of us here made the assumption that an epic 1v1 would happen up until 1000 where Zoro legit reached the roof.
Its why I find this interesting no one going into Wano remotely saw this happening where Luffy and Zoro face Kaido together
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You make a lot of fair points, but for me In this post I am considering their 2 1v1s the script and which most of us here made the assumption that an epic 1v1 would happen up until 1000 where Zoro legit reached the roof.
Oda is not a man always possible to be foregone, his behaviour is all but linear.
We can only posit things by the total amount of odds these may or may not occur. But that's about it.
So the actual scheme is the most likely simply in that it's what he has been portraying since a while now. Zoro taking Kaido's head with Luffy and co assisting and BM eventually making it alive.
We can only posit things by the total amount of odds these may or may not occur. But that's about it.
So the actual scheme is the most likely simply in that it's what he has been portraying since a while now. Zoro taking Kaido's head with Luffy and co assisting and BM eventually making it alive.
Yes, she landed the last attack (assuming Absalom didn't go unconscious after being sent away by Sanji), but I think we're falling in an irrelevant "technicality"; especially considering the point of mentioning him wasn't defeat per se but versus. Sanji is his main versus, has a two-chapters fight with him, the guy even ate the cook's dream fruit, and ultimately leaves him so weakened that a technique that was harmless before puts him down with ease. Sure, technically Nami was the one to land the last hit, but Absalom was Sanji's fight and that's how he should be understood in terms of versus, in my opinion; the only reason why Nami was the one to ultimately put him down was her fulfilling her subplot vendetta.