Questions & Mysteries Will Oda Flip the Script
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There's a detail about Baroque Works hierarchy.
The men are called by numbers, and they women are called by holidays. But there was no saying that the ranks between genders are the same.
Miss All Sunday was the strongest woman, but it didn't mean she was as strong as Crocodile.
Miss Doublefinger could be not as strong as Mr1. But being the second strongest woman, she was paired with the second strongest man.
Mr2 is a special case because, being an okama, he would considered both man and woman. So he didn't have a partner.
But it is far from saying "Miss Doublefinger is stronger than Mr2."
Miss Doublefinger basically lost to a gag weapon. Nami didn't even know what her weapon could do. Not much of a good
display there.
The men are called by numbers, and they women are called by holidays. But there was no saying that the ranks between genders are the same.
Miss All Sunday was the strongest woman, but it didn't mean she was as strong as Crocodile.
Miss Doublefinger could be not as strong as Mr1. But being the second strongest woman, she was paired with the second strongest man.
Mr2 is a special case because, being an okama, he would considered both man and woman. So he didn't have a partner.
But it is far from saying "Miss Doublefinger is stronger than Mr2."
Miss Doublefinger basically lost to a gag weapon. Nami didn't even know what her weapon could do. Not much of a good
display there.
Btw, about Zoro beating Killer.
Killer was fine after the fight. Zoro had to be treated or would have died.
PRETTY SURE that counts as Killer getting the better outcome.
You could argue it was not a fair fight, which I agree, because of the trash ass monk meddling in it. But still, he would have died right there, werent for Hyori saving him.
Killer would be the same shit. Would appear again in Udon. Nothing would have changed with him.
Killer was fine after the fight. Zoro had to be treated or would have died.
PRETTY SURE that counts as Killer getting the better outcome.
You could argue it was not a fair fight, which I agree, because of the trash ass monk meddling in it. But still, he would have died right there, werent for Hyori saving him.
Killer would be the same shit. Would appear again in Udon. Nothing would have changed with him.
Or Sanji thought Absalom was unconscious, he assumed he was defeated and didn't double check, or Absalom was indeed defeated for a while, or Oda just skipped that for the sake of Nami's revenge and Lola's subplot.
It's like saying that Kyros failed at fighting Diamante because technically he didn't go unconscious by the gladiator but Scarlett's grave. Well, you certainly can say that, but it's dishonest and misses the point.
And again, who was Absalom's main fight, who got him so, so weakened that a previously harmless attack made him unconscious for good? Wouldn't Sanji have defeated him with another kick, and wasn't the only reason for this to not be the case Oda wanting to close Nami's subplot? And what were we discussing, fights or coup de grâces (explained by plot reasons unrelated to the main fighter strength, on top of that)?
It's like saying that Kyros failed at fighting Diamante because technically he didn't go unconscious by the gladiator but Scarlett's grave. Well, you certainly can say that, but it's dishonest and misses the point.
And again, who was Absalom's main fight, who got him so, so weakened that a previously harmless attack made him unconscious for good? Wouldn't Sanji have defeated him with another kick, and wasn't the only reason for this to not be the case Oda wanting to close Nami's subplot? And what were we discussing, fights or coup de grâces (explained by plot reasons unrelated to the main fighter strength, on top of that)?
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But my comment about the Baroque Works hierarchy to argue that Mr2 wasn't necessarily inferior to miss doublefinger still stands. That one I actually meant it.
The Thriller Bark match ups is something more complicated.
To be fair, Perona was, by far, the biggest threat there. Was she the strongest? No. Could she solo all the SH's except for Usopp? Yes.
And it wasnt neither Zoro nor Sanji to beat such an enemy.
The Thriller Bark match ups is something more complicated.
To be fair, Perona was, by far, the biggest threat there. Was she the strongest? No. Could she solo all the SH's except for Usopp? Yes.
And it wasnt neither Zoro nor Sanji to beat such an enemy.
Really?
I thought Vivi made it quite clear when she said "each of these agents is paired with a female agent who's similar to them in terms of strength."
We even get a diagram showing us the hierarchy.
The only known exception to this power dynamic is when Croc explains why he put Mr. 3 above Mr. 4 even though he is weaker.
So as far as I'm concerned.
Mr. 1 and Ms. DoubleFineger are meant to be stronger than Mr. 2.
There's nothing that really points otherwise besides people wanting Sanji to have fought a stronger opponent than Nami (because of dynamics) even though it doesn't have to be the case.
I thought Vivi made it quite clear when she said "each of these agents is paired with a female agent who's similar to them in terms of strength."
Mr. 1 and Ms. DoubleFineger are meant to be stronger than Mr. 2.
There's nothing that really points otherwise besides people wanting Sanji to have fought a stronger opponent than Nami (because of dynamics) even though it doesn't have to be the case.
Really?
I thought Vivi made it quite clear when she said "each of these agents is paired with a female agent who's similar to them in terms of strength."
We even get a diagram showing us the hierarchy.
The only known exception to this power dynamic is when Croc explains why he put Mr. 3 above Mr. 4 even though he is weaker.
So as far as I'm concerned.
Mr. 1 and Ms. DoubleFineger are meant to be stronger than Mr. 2.
There's nothing that really points otherwise besides people wanting Sanji to have fought a stronger opponent than Nami (because of dynamics) even though it doesn't have to be the case.
I thought Vivi made it quite clear when she said "each of these agents is paired with a female agent who's similar to them in terms of strength."
Mr. 1 and Ms. DoubleFineger are meant to be stronger than Mr. 2.
There's nothing that really points otherwise besides people wanting Sanji to have fought a stronger opponent than Nami (because of dynamics) even though it doesn't have to be the case.
Also, putting in numbers, if Mr1 is a 9, Miss Doublefinger could be a 8.5. similar levels, but with a little gap.
What stops Mr2 from being between these two? This analogy is just to show that a case can be made, despite what is stated, because of what is shown during the story.
I remember the priests' ordeals in skypie had % chances of survival. It was someone Oda said to hype them, but, in the end, it kinda meant jackshit.
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sorry answered something that already been answered , Well since i am already here,
ZKK ZKK ZKK, on a more serious note, Did Oda actually ever say that sanji fights the 3rd guy? he did say that Zoro fights the second strongest, But i always thought that sanji fights the 3rd strongest just because he always seemed the 3rd strongest on the SH himself, Was that assumption wrong?
sorry answered something that already been answered , Well since i am already here,
ZKK ZKK ZKK, on a more serious note, Did Oda actually ever say that sanji fights the 3rd guy? he did say that Zoro fights the second strongest, But i always thought that sanji fights the 3rd strongest just because he always seemed the 3rd strongest on the SH himself, Was that assumption wrong?
