Questions & Mysteries Will we get an explanation on Ashura and/or Wado against King?

Will at least 1 get fully explained against king?


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#1
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Also if not now then when?

Like how does zoro actually do ashura and how it works? Maybe if anybody else has a similar ability like mihawk, ryuma, etc.
When i say wado i mean what's specifically special about it cause while hes had the sword the longest we know the least about it in comparison to every other sword zoro's used
 
#2
as kaku said he manipulating those souls with his spirit (Coc)

Asura fully made with coc Zoro used it since the prets before luffy

and lol its a joke you think mihawk posses something like asura mihawk dont even posses Hyru kaen

but ryuma posses hyru kaen and its obviosly Ryuma-Zoro both can use asura
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#8
Well, that chapter where Zoro starts fighting King and Sanji starts fighting Queen, Oda brings up Sanji having a weird body change due since the RS and Zoro looking like Ryuma and Ushimaru.

So the two fights will probably deal with those two stories. Plus King’s backstory for the Zoro fight (Queen might get saved as a part of a big Vegapunk flashback down the line with Judge and Caeser as well).

Personally I’m not bothered if we never get an explantion for Ashura, and I don’t think there’s even much of a story for Wado, it’s just a decent Meito. It might be a Shimotsuki family sword, but that’ll be it.
 
#10
I attempted to explain how Zoro came up with Asura in this thread. Check it out :pepapoo:
First of all, there is one thing that should be known : what are Asuras (or Ashuras) ?
They are beings who follow the "Outer Path" which in Buddhism refers to any "wrong" method of pursuing nirvana, such as by asceticism (attempting to shed the physical form via bodily neglect, IE fasting to the point of starvation for example).
This is opposed to the "Inner Path" perceived as the right way to reach the nirvana by having mastery over the samsara and/or separation from it.

From the researches I made, I found that buddhist myths often describe Asura like mighty kings or devoted ascetics to the Devas.
Many mythical kings, who had started their reign wisely, wanted to undertake difficult “yogic” spiritual asceticisms out of devotion to the Devas. But the powers that these practices can engender push the aspirant towards pride and the misuse of these powers instead of guiding him towards detachment and "Liberation from human conditionings".
➡️ Justin Law, from Soul Eater, is a good illustration of this. Isolated with some trust issues, he constantly sought some form of guidance through the existence of an absolute entity to which he would be totally devoted. This extreme worship made him fall into madness and transformed him into a cynical, sadistic, violent henchman of Absolute Evil.
Usually, these kings, once they have become powerful thanks to the powers they have obtained, give in to their greed and perform, for long periods of time, more difficult asceticisms in order to increase their magical abilities.
They can then communicate with their chosen deity and obtain from this contact a power, for example that of not being able to be killed by another human. Protected against various dangers, they become demonic and abuse their position by terrorizing their subjects.
They sometimes go so far as invading the whole world, even the divine realms where they persecute the devas. Thus disrupting the "Dharma" (法 / "Buddhist law"), they therefore become the irreducible enemies of the Devas, powerhouses of spiritual progress and enlightenment, and shift out mortals from divine realization.
➡️ Typically what Asura, from Soul Eater, went through. As he got overwhelmed by his nonsensical fear of every thing (fearing death despite his status as an immortal Reaper, fearing his own weapon partner despite being far stronger than him, fearing anyone with unusual appearance), Asura developed an obsession with gaining the most power as possible to curb his fears. Falling into madness, his paranoia led him to eat and consume his partner in order to take away his powers and his soul consuming ability, which caused him to break the law of not hunting souls outside Shinigami's List. While he was supposed to maintain Absolute Order based on his sense of justice, he ended up becoming The Absolute Evil by plunging mortals worldwide into madness and chaos because of his senseless selfishness.


Now that I've set this up, I can explain my point : assuming that Zoro has developed his "Kiki Kyūtōryū Asura" technique through spiritual asceticisms, then if he undertakes even more difficult asceticisms, his Asura technique should gain a new ability.
But wouldn't that imply that Zoro, to perform such asceticism, had not only worshiped a chosen deity but that he will also manage to communicate and contact such an entity ? Which would be strange since Zoro said he doesn't pray to God.
But then again, does this really mean that he does not believe in an overwhelming existence whose will is the origin of every existing thing and the reason that everything continue to exist ? It could be that Zoro just decided not to pray to God because he probably said to himself that he must depend only on himself. His past as a solitary hunter goes in this direction but it is not a proof.

However, one thing for sure, Zoro often referred to Buddhist concepts in the names of his attacks (Urouge and Kaido have done it too) or in the sentences he recites to help him concentrate in order to perform a particularly complicated technique (Pound Ho).
This means that Zoro, through intense concentrations, taps into the Buddhist mythology to acquire new abilities (throwing flying attacks = Pound Hô, cutting everything = Santoryu Ôgi : Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai, manifesting his mind in the form of an Asura = Kiki Kyūtōryū Asura).
These intense concentrations are perhaps the equivalent of Buddhist asceticisms and it will probably be through these kind of concentrations that his Asura technique will obtain a new ability : manipulating the shadows !
I think the fulfillment of Toki's prophecy will coincide with the moment where Zoro will be hit by the after-effects of the drug.
It will be a parallel to his duel against Kaido where he had to overcome his pain due to Hakai in order to inflict Kaido a fatal blow that was supposed to at least knock him down but ultimately failed. This time, since all the accumulated pain will be doubled, he will have to focus even harder to elaborate a technique powerful enough to take down Kaido once and for all.
This technique was prophesied by Toki, I may have the name of his new power : Rāhu.
In Hindu mythology, Rāhu is an Asura who has the particularity of being a shadow entity able to eclipse the Sun and who exerts an influence over a specific time of the day called Rāhu kāla (covering a span of 90 minutes each day, between sunrise and sunset, which can occur during one of the 8 parts of the day except the first part which corresponds to the dawn). This span of time is considered to be inauspicious.

Since the dawn is not under the influence of Rāhu in Hindu mythology, Zoro, instead of eclipsing the sun, will bend the 9 shadows of his swords, cast by the moon, in order to let known the brillance of the dawn through all of Wano Kuni.
 
#11
yeah, i also believe that King will be the one to explain Asura.

I see King being able to adjust to it after getting overwhelmed by Asura at first. Thereafter, given his calm demeanor, he should be able to analyze it and give us the specifics of how asura works.

There's nothing special about wado aside from it may be being the born sword of kuina or her father koushiro.
 
#17
The part of it being an ilusion is confirmed. kaku even comments on how Zoro has an impressive "spirit" to be able to make others see ilusions.
and Rayleigh tells Luffy conquerors haki is "the embodiment of the spirit of the user". so there you go. Asura is conquerors haki because its an embodiment of Zoro's spirit.
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noun
noun: embodiment; plural noun: embodiments
  1. a tangible or visible form of an idea, quality, or feeling.
    "she seemed to be a living embodiment of vitality"

just like don chinjao going super saiyan is conquerors haki.


just like this is conquerors haki. stand powers are real in one piece folks.
 
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#18
The part of it being an ilusion is confirmed. kaku even comments on how Zoro has an impressive "spirit" to be able to make others see ilusions.
I hope it is related to CoC as well, it appears to most likely be the case unless the spirit was related to a specific sword but that is very unlikely. It doesn't seem like to involve any in particular atm.
 
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