Powers & Abilities Will weaker characters like Sanji unlocking ACoC devalue ACoC?

Will non top tier characters having ACoC devalue it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 50.9%
  • No

    Votes: 26 49.1%

  • Total voters
    53
#41
Yamato already "devalued" all she could.

Characters like Gaban and potentially Sanji of anything are a huge upgrade from her.
Wanting to be like Oden and carrying his will forward , Defying Kaidou.
Wanting to protect Wano , Similar to WB and Kata Wanting to protect their family.

Her devil fruit is entirely about Gaurdian of Wano.
 
#42
I put Primebeard as slightly above Prime Roger

And I put Prime Roger >= Rayleigh >= Gaban

So if we consider the gaps, Primebeard > Gaban, roughly one tier above. That is to say Gaban pushes Primebeard to upper mid-diff/high-diff. I would see no problem considering today's equivalent of Primebeard as a tier above EOS Sanji
I don’t agree entirely but i don’t think your stance is far off. Either way I’m basically saying that this ability should be reserved for that tier that you have WB in.

The problem is we know it isn’t because characters like Yamato have it. That starts to take away its value. I don’t want it to become like CoA for top tiers if you understand what I’m saying.

But I guess the difference is how strong your ACoC is will be the determining factor so maybe it doesn’t even matter because those at the very top will just be better at it.
 
#46
First there are levels to even adv coc. JB's haki > Shanks's Haki > Kaido's Haki >> Yamato's Haki

Second sanji will be solid yonko at least in EOS.
We disagree on the level Sanji will be at but I just mentioned the levels to someone else so maybe that’s enough of a difference. I still don’t think it should become common.
 
#47
So Gaban who's a normal human is considered a monster alongside Roger and Rayleigh because of.... nothing?

Why else would a human be considered a monster alongside two top tiers?

Surely it isn't because of the power system Oda spent hundreds of chapters establishing as the great equalizer

You know... the only thing that allows normal humans to reach that level of strength without a devil fruit or any racial/science abilities

Nothing concerning haki?
And when did I ever say I'm against Gaban having CoC?

My problem lies with Gaban and Sanji Powers don't allign at all.

Gaban is using Axe and Haki , Whereas Sanji is more reliant on Exoskeleton and Fire conjuring.

Even in Wano , when Both luffy and Zoro got Ryou , Sanji got Raid suit.

When they got AdCoC , Sanji got Exoskeleton.

In what world , Sanji would immediately unlock the most rare form of Haki when he doesn't even use it Zoro , Luffy or even Gaban does.
 
#51
And when did I ever say I'm against Gaban having CoC?

My problem lies with Gaban and Sanji Powers don't allign at all.

Gaban is using Axe and Haki , Whereas Sanji is more reliant on Exoskeleton and Fire conjuring.

Even in Wano , when Both luffy and Zoro got Ryou , Sanji got Raid suit.

When they got AdCoC , Sanji got Exoskeleton.

In what world , Sanji would immediately unlock the most rare form of Haki when he doesn't even use it Zoro , Luffy or even Gaban does.
Buddy Zoro got enma magic sword, we learned Luffy had a mythical zoan and he awakened and at last Sanji got his exoskeleton activated, blue fire, stronger armament, super sonic speed, lightning etc...
 
#52
Wanting to be like Oden and carrying his will forward , Defying Kaidou.
Wanting to protect Wano , Similar to WB and Kata Wanting to protect their family.

Her devil fruit is entirely about Gaurdian of Wano.
I see more like completley annihilating her identity, living the life of a dead man, even asking the oraphan son of said character to call her as his beloved and murdered father.

I legit see Yamato as those mythomaniacs who think they are Elvis Presely or Jim Morrison and asks others to call them Elvis or Jim.

Compared to this, for me, Sanji's Will >>>
 
#53
And when did I ever say I'm against Gaban having CoC?

My problem lies with Gaban and Sanji Powers don't allign at all.

Gaban is using Axe and Haki , Whereas Sanji is more reliant on Exoskeleton and Fire conjuring.

Even in Wano , when Both luffy and Zoro got Ryou , Sanji got Raid suit.

When they got AdCoC , Sanji got Exoskeleton.

In what world , Sanji would immediately unlock the most rare form of Haki when he doesn't even use it Zoro , Luffy or even Gaban does.
This logic doesn't really work though. No one said their fighting styles have to be exactly the same

Roger is a top tier swordsman without a fruit while Luffy is a top tier brawler more like Garp that also has a mythical zoan

I don't see what Gaban using an axe really has to do with anything

Not to mention Sanji's abilities are also reliant on his haki. A combination of the exoskeleton and his armament is what allowed him to create Ifrit Jambe in the first place

Since his exoskeleton (at least as far as we know) can no longer improve the only thing that could push his flames further is improving his haki
 
#54
Buddy Zoro got enma magic sword, we learned Luffy had a mythical zoan and he awakened and at last Sanji got his exoskeleton activated, blue fire, stronger armament, super sonic speed, lightning etc...
What is magic sword?
It was legit trying to kill Zoro.
What Mythical Zoan? Which luffy himself awakened at death door.

Vs

Wear a suit , and genes awakens.

What sort of comedy is this?

Either way you didn't get my point.
 
#56
This logic doesn't really work though. No one said their fighting styles have to be exactly the same

Roger is a top tier swordsman without a fruit while Luffy is a top tier brawler more like Garp that also has a mythical zoan

I don't see what Gaban using an axe really has to do with anything

Not to mention Sanji's abilities are also reliant on his haki. A combination of the exoskeleton and his armament is what allowed him to create Ifrit Jambe in the first place

Since his exoskeleton (at least as far as we know) can no longer improve then the only thing that could push his flames further is improving his haki
Roger / Luffy - AdCoC , VoAT , Haki Beasts
Rayleigh/ Zoro - AdCoC , Swordsmanship , Haki beasts

Gaban - AdCoC (if) , Ace User, and ?

Sanji - Exoskeleton , Fire Conjuring.

What similarities do you see here?

I'm not even against sanji being Strong but Oda isn't taking that route with Sanji.

We have characters at top tier without CoC.
 
#57
Roger / Luffy - AdCoC , VoAT , Haki Beasts
Rayleigh/ Zoro - AdCoC , Swordsmanship , Haki beasts

Gaban - AdCoC (if) , Ace User, and ?

Sanji - Exoskeleton , Fire Conjuring.

What similarities do you see here?

I'm not even against sanji being Strong but Oda isn't taking that route with Sanji.

We have characters at top tier without CoC.
So you say Gaban yes, possibly, but not Sanji?
 
#58
Roger / Luffy - AdCoC , VoAT , Haki Beasts
Rayleigh/ Zoro - AdCoC , Swordsmanship , Haki beasts

Gaban - AdCoC (if) , Ace User, and ?

Sanji - Exoskeleton , Fire Conjuring.

What similarities do you see here?

I'm not even against sanji being Strong but Oda isn't taking that route with Sanji.

We have characters at top tier without CoC.
If I were you then I would ready myself with the chance that sanji can get coc. Zoro will always be stronger than sanji so its not really an issue for him.
 
#60
Roger / Luffy - AdCoC , VoAT , Haki Beasts
Rayleigh/ Zoro - AdCoC , Swordsmanship , Haki beasts

Gaban - AdCoC (if) , Ace User, and ?

Sanji - Exoskeleton , Fire Conjuring.

What similarities do you see here?

I'm not even against sanji being Strong but Oda isn't taking that route with Sanji.

We have characters at top tier without CoC.
I'm not saying Sanji is guaranteed to awaken CoC. We don't even know if Gaban has it

All I'm saying is you're clearly denying that haki is a big part of Sanji's growth as a fighter as well

He specifically highlights his armament as one of the major reasons why he's able to form Ifrit Jambe

If his haki improves then naturally his flames will improve as well. They're linked in canon

 
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