Powers & Abilities Will weaker characters like Sanji unlocking ACoC devalue ACoC?

Will non top tier characters having ACoC devalue it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 26 49.1%
  • Total voters
    53
Gears Kaios

Gears Kaios

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#161
#161
When you “dislike” or straight up HATE a character
You’ll only hurt yourself more and more with a thought process like this

You’re not even trying to be unbiased here. Put your “dislike” and HATE for the character aside for a bit and I promise you’ll make more rational threads

I think you’ve only made 1 rational thread out of the 40+ you have on Sanji alone
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He’s a WING like Gaban how hard is that to understand? Just cause you hate the character doesn’t mean Oda’s story is gonna change his story up cause of some crybaby zorotard

1.1k chapters in and you+many other Zkids still can’t read the room

Pitiful
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Rumble said:
Now it's weird you're defensive and heated because I said it's weird you're baiting for attention. Bit of an overreaction in tone, and a weak deflection, but I'll leave you to it. Clearly you need this to get through your day. :suresure:
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Damn man u cooked lil bro :gokulaugh:
 
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Gears Kaios

Gears Kaios

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#163
#163
soupongo said:
Nooooo my dbz hakirinos!!!!!
I will never buy anymore one piece toys again.im fucking sick of this
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Kid said “Hakirinos” Sounds faggy
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Kōri no kokyū said:
Well another disappointment from the series then lol.
Sanji has potential to be top tier Without CoC , we have characters to be top tier without CoC.
And CoC doesn't even fit him.
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When you hate a character you’re biased enough to make yourself believe this
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DonWick said:
Just watch the moment Sanji gets it or if he does, the fandom will no longer consider it special. Either that or his shit will just be weak.
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Surprised to be called a zorotard only to make a zorotard comment in return

you cannot make this shit up 💀
 
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Krexus

Krexus

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#164
#164
There are levels to coc so sanji can have it and still not devalue it as his peak will be below luffy and zoro.

My only issue is that zoro should have unlocked coc earlier like right after timeskip and then sanji during whole cake island.

I also agree with others that sanji seems to be going down a different path with the science stuff so does not necessarily need it to become a top tier. I don't like the idea of coc being needed to bypass holy knight regen - at least not the only way.
 
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Dragon777

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#167
#167
Kōri no kokyū said:
Pretty sure it was used in the final sequence where he said.
With speed + Exoskeleton + Haki + Flames , he can generate blue flames or even hotter flames.
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It was, but I mean: Oda went out of his way to "hype" that Sanji has his CoA upgraded. Still, I am not saying it is impressive now, but for a DR level mugi, considering that Queen is an YC2, why not. Also, now we are two arcs from that too.

That's what I'm trying to tell in this thread 😭😭.

Gaban uses Axe - Haki is the only route upwards.

But for Sanji he has , Flame generation
And now exoskeleton too.

His power ups are different from rest.

You can be top tier without AdCoC , Bigmom spammed DF , barely used her AdCoC. , same with WB in marineford.

Majority of the admirals are CoC less.

Also I'm skeptical if he's even going to beat any of Gorosei. I'm wasn't on train on who sanji was ever gonna fight.

But gorosei .... none of them fits the bill for Sanji.
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On Gaban as I said I agree, it would be logical, but I think Oda is simpler and more schematic than us in a lot of ways. I mean, WB should have had a far weaker CoC compard to Roger's, because he had his fruit. Instead, we saw what we saw.

About the other top tiers with CoC we have said what we think.

Who do you think will be Sanji's final adversary?


DonWick said:
I don’t see him beating an admiral that’s why I said hopefully. But even if he does they don’t have it currently either.

I need Sanji to do some top tier shit against a top tier opponent then I’ll say he’s a top tier.
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I agree, and to be fully honest I didn't buy Sanji being a top tier too, but Gaban in raising the bar for me.

Even though sure, he has to do things to be acknowledged as a top tier in the end.
 
DonWick

DonWick

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#168
#168
Dragon777 said:
It was, but I mean: Oda went out of his way to "hype" that Sanji has his CoA upgraded. Still, I am not saying it is impressive now, but for a DR level mugi, considering that Queen is an YC2, why not. Also, now we are two arcs from that too.



On Gaban as I said I agree, it would be logical, but I think Oda is simpler and more schematic than us in a lot of ways. I mean, WB should have had a far weaker CoC compard to Roger's, because he had his fruit. Instead, we saw what we saw.

About the other top tiers with CoC we have said what we think.

Who do you think will be Sanji's final adversary?




I agree, and to be fully honest I didn't buy Sanji being a top tier too, but Gaban in raising the bar for me.

Even though sure, he has to do things to be acknowledged as a top tier in the end.
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That is all that I’m asking for. Gaban is helping his portrayal for me as well though.
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Embers Kaios said:
When you “dislike” or straight up HATE a character
You’ll only hurt yourself more and more with a thought process like this

You’re not even trying to be unbiased here. Put your “dislike” and HATE for the character aside for a bit and I promise you’ll make more rational threads

I think you’ve only made 1 rational thread out of the 40+ you have on Sanji alone
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He’s a WING like Gaban how hard is that to understand? Just cause you hate the character doesn’t mean Oda’s story is gonna change his story up cause of some crybaby zorotard

1.1k chapters in and you+many other Zkids still can’t read the room

Pitiful
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Damn man u cooked lil bro :gokulaugh:
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I don’t hate Sanji his feats just aren’t good in comparison to Zoro and Luffy’s. I would hate for him to get CoC though.
 
Kōri no kokyū

Kōri no kokyū

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#170
#170
Dragon777 said:
It was, but I mean: Oda went out of his way to "hype" that Sanji has his CoA upgraded. Still, I am not saying it is impressive now, but for a DR level mugi, considering that Queen is an YC2, why not. Also, now we are two arcs from that too.
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It was not CoA upgrade it was Speed and Raw strength upgrade with Exoskeleton.


Dragon777 said:
On Gaban as I said I agree, it would be logical, but I think Oda is simpler and more schematic than us in a lot of ways. I mean, WB should have had a far weaker CoC compard to Roger's, because he had his fruit. Instead, we saw what we saw.
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The way I see it , WB had Nearly Same Haki as Roger with Roger having Slight edge in terms of everything.
Let that be CoA , CoO , CoC.

WB fruit is over powered , as strong As logia. Only paramacia of that kind even Bigmom or Law fruit didn't get that status.

But if you realise WB , Law , BM , Fujitora DF cannot be used alongside Haki.

What i mean by that is , you can't coat Lightening , Viberation , shockwave , Gravity with Haki.

They attack doesn't result in Haki+DF AP.

Haki is only used to materialise DF users and they use DF there. Its like they provide medium for their attack to travel through.

Whereas, Luffy , Katakuri , Doflamingo (I'm assuming gomu gomu) here have Enchanced Attacks.
Gear 4 - Haki + DF - entirely new AP and DC.
Holy bullets - Haki+ DF
Power Mochi- Haki + DF.

Their attacks getting buffed with Haki and DF. Whereas same isn't the case with WB , Bigmom , Law.

They can use Haki alongside to make their Attack hit the target , but They don't get the additional Buff from Haki.

So thinking Gura + AdCoC , should surpass Roger AdCoC. Is dumb , WB is either using DF or AdCoC. Using them simultaneously doesn't work with Their devil fruit.


Dragon777 said:
Who do you think will be Sanji's final adversary?
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I think Admirals are good enemy for him.
Nearly same threat as Gorosei without regen and even regen is countered now.

I see Gorosei as Luffy , Zoro , Law , Sabo kind of battle.
 
Sentinel

Sentinel

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#173
#173
Sanji obliterated a 1.3 billion pirate with his tech power up to the point the latter couldn't even perceive him - all of that without advanced levels of Haki.

So no, ACoC would put Sanji on a considerable higher level than you're anticipating him to be.

Furthermore, since Gaban got confirmed to be another old legend like Ray, your downplay attempts are basically sealed. Sanji will AT LEAST end up as a top tier and at best ending up stronger than some emperors, unless you believe EoS Sanji cannot surpass End of Wano Luffy.
 
L57

L57

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#174
#174
Sentinel said:
Sanji obliterated a 1.3 billion pirate with his tech power up to the point the latter couldn't even perceive him - all of that without advanced levels of Haki.

So no, ACoC would put Sanji on a considerable higher level than you're anticipating him to be.

Furthermore, since Gaban got confirmed to be another old legend like Ray, your downplay attempts are basically sealed. Sanji will AT LEAST end up as a top tier and at best ending up stronger than some emperors, unless you believe EoS Sanji cannot surpass End of Wano Luffy.
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Eos sanji level is below beckman
 
SkySanji

SkySanji

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#177
#177
RayanOO said:
Beating an admiral means being likely > EOW Luffy
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No it doesn't, Luffy left Wano at least stronger than Kizaru who himself is stronger than Sanji's Admiral matchup, Ryokugyu, and honestly, I see no reason to put Akainu above Luffy either, neither feats nor portrayal favor Akainu.
 
Blax Blah

Blax Blah

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#178
#178
Sentinel said:
Sanji obliterated a 1.3 billion pirate with his tech power up to the point the latter couldn't even perceive him - all of that without advanced levels of Haki.

So no, ACoC would put Sanji on a considerable higher level than you're anticipating him to be.

Furthermore, since Gaban got confirmed to be another old legend like Ray, your downplay attempts are basically sealed. Sanji will AT LEAST end up as a top tier and at best ending up stronger than some emperors, unless you believe EoS Sanji cannot surpass End of Wano Luffy.
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Sanji wil be able to mid to high diff Wano Kaido
 
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