Powers & Abilities Will weaker characters like Sanji unlocking ACoC devalue ACoC?

[Blahmigooo]

It won't devalue
Some of the high tiers and Benn etc can potentially have.
But saying Sanji will become CoC aura monster like Roger, Shanks etc is far fetched.

He'll be a solid top tier but anymore beyond that is mad speculation for now
Shanks, Akainu, Mihawk(Zoro goal) etc are all high profile end game characters, i doubt Sanji will fought anybody much stronger than those, we don't have enough top lvl fighters like them (except if ppl think regen merchant/Imu minions are Yonko+ fighter)

 

[DonWick]

Read your poll.

Nah man you have made basically one Sanji thread a day. It’s an obsession at this point

That’s false brother. I used to do the same with Zoro. But Zoro gave me enough feats to shut up about it.

But let me ask you this, who do you think the most interesting character to power scale is?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

That’s false brother. I used to do the same with Zoro. But Zoro gave me enough feats to shut up about it.

But let me ask you this, who do you think the most interesting character to power scale is?

As of right now most interesting is Blackbeard

 

[DonWick]

As of right now most interesting is Blackbeard

That’s a good choice but I think it’s Sanji. I can provide compelling arguments that Sanji is strong but I can also provide compelling arguments that he is weak.

You can’t argue BB being weak.

 

[Gears Kaios]

That’s a good choice but I think it’s Sanji. I can provide compelling arguments that Sanji is strong but I can also provide compelling arguments that he is weak.

You can’t argue BB being weak.

What about koby?

 

[DonWick]

What about koby?

Future Luffy opponent he should have it

 

[MonsterKaido]

Usopp knows Rayleigh personally and has seen how strong Rayleigh is, he's never met, seen or even heard of Oden outside of Wano. I can't even recall the word Oden ever coming out of Usopp's mouth. Super flimsy argument.

You have no idea what Oimo knows. Assuming that because Sengoku, the former Fleet Admiral knows that Oden was a Roger pirate, that must mean it was common knowledge amongst all marines - even ones who were tricked and based in a single location in Paradise for decades is a horrible assumption to base your argument off. Furthermore, Oden was not well-known outside of Wano at all, so why would anyone care to mention him? The only people who knew Oden was strong outside of Wano were the people he fought against. Why tf would he be mentioned in the context of legends - he's not a legend outside of Wano, he's a random commander.

I've literally not said anything about Gaban vs Oden, all I've said is that you can't act as if Gaban > Oden is manga fact because it really isn't. You say it's clear that's what the speech was saying - clear in your interpretation perhaps. Which is fine, just don't act as if it's fact.

Yasheen acts like daft. Let him be.

 

[Gears Kaios]

Future Luffy opponent he should have it

I mean powerscaling wise where do you see koby currently?

Also i believe even if old Gaban shows superior feats to old Rayleigh, you’ll still throw old rayleigh over him despite old Rayleigh not even really being a warrior like old gaban

Prime rayleigh, i get. But old scopper is definitely ahead

 

[DonWick]

I mean powerscaling wise where do you see koby currently?

Also i believe even if old Gaban shows superior feats to old Rayleigh, you’ll still throw old rayleigh over him despite old Rayleigh not even really being a warrior like old gaban

Prime rayleigh, i get. But old scopper is definitely ahead

Koby is at best YC3 right now if I had to guess. I have old Ray over him for fighting Kizaru. There isn’t anyone on Wano that Scopper could fight to make me put him equal Ray.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Zolofans:

Roger - Luffy
Rayleigh - Zoro
Gaban - ???

Rodger: coC, voice of all things, a D clan member. Same as luffy.

Rayleigh: coC, swordsman, 2nds crew mate, scar over their eye.

Gaban: uses an axe as his main way of fighting.
Sanji uses only his kicks, fire and other scientifically genetically enhance abilities. Not a damn thing alike lol

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I mean powerscaling wise where do you see koby currently?

Also i believe even if old Gaban shows superior feats to old Rayleigh, you’ll still throw old rayleigh over him despite old Rayleigh not even really being a warrior like old gaban

Prime rayleigh, i get. But old scopper is definitely ahead

Koby has yc1 AP and DC. However in terms of his other abilities we don't know how proficient he is yet. So currently powerscaling wise he should be anywhere between yc3 - yc2

 

[Desolate Smaug]

This is coming up because Scopper potentially has it. If he does have it it’s a good chance that Sanji could get it. However, in my opinion it should be saved for the highest of top tiers.

The only reason Zoro having it isn’t an issue to me is because he will be a top tier and have to defeat Mihawk.

Sanji on the other hand I can’t see being a top tier.

To be clear, I’m saying weaker in terms of not top tier (I realize Sanji is strong in comparison to characters YC2 & below) I don’t believe anyone that can’t fight a Yonko 1v1 and have a chance of winning is top tier.

Do you think Sanji will surpass Gaban? Do you think Luffy's wings will be weaker than Rogers wings?

 

[Gears Kaios]

Koby is at best YC3 right now if I had to guess. I have old Ray over him for fighting Kizaru. There isn’t anyone on Wano that Scopper could fight to make me put him equal Ray.

He’s above ray

but yeah I agree on koby

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Koby has yc1 AP and DC. However in terms of his other abilities we don't know how proficient he is yet. So currently powerscaling wise he should be anywhere between yc3 - yc2

Fair placement

 

[RyoQ]

Rodger: coC, voice of all things, a D clan member. Same as luffy.

Rayleigh: coC, swordsman, 2nds crew mate, scar over their eye.

Gaban: uses an axe as his main way of fighting.
Sanji uses only his kicks, fire and other scientifically genetically enhance abilities. Not a damn thing alike lol

 

[BattalGazi]

Rodger: coC, voice of all things, a D clan member. Same as luffy.

Rayleigh: coC, swordsman, 2nds crew mate, scar over their eye.

Gaban: uses an axe as his main way of fighting.
Sanji uses only his kicks, fire and other scientifically genetically enhance abilities. Not a damn thing alike lol

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Gaban is exactly like sanji, it is like they are twins just accept Sanji greatness you punk.

 

[DonWick]

He’s above ray

but yeah I agree on koby

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Fair placement

He hasn’t done anything to place him over Ray. But if he does I don’t mind ranking him higher.

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Do you think Sanji will surpass Gaban? Do you think Luffy's wings will be weaker than Rogers wings?

I do think Sanji surpasses him. I don’t think he needs ACoC to do it though.

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Gaban is exactly like sanji, it is like they are twins just accept Sanji greatness you punk.

They really aren't. One gets play with the women while the other doesn't. The list goes on

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Mans outchea still arguing Sanji/Gaban parallel even with the author having spelt it out to us
You really do see what you wanna see
Gaban isn't exactly 1 -> 1 with Sanji so no parallel
But Roger doesn't have a devil fruit but Luffy does but still parallel?

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

Mans outchea still arguing Sanji/Gaban parallel even with the author having spelt it out to us
You really do see what you wanna see
Gaban isn't exactly 1 -> 1 with Sanji so no parallel
But Roger doesn't have a devil fruit but Luffy does but still parallel?

Rodger is

a D clan member like luffy

Has the voice of all things like luffy

Has all forms of advanced haki like luffy

Is a captain of his own crew like luffy.

Both had relationships with another D member (Garp).




Zoro and Rayleigh both swordsman. Both have coc and Advanced coc. Both are the second strongest of their crews. Both are the 2nd mate of their crews. Both have a scar on their eye.



EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE DIFFERENT BETWEEN RODGER AND LUFFY AND RAYLEIGH AND ZORO THERE ARE EVEN MORE CLEAR SIMILARITIES. THAT LITERALLT DOES NOT APPLY TO SANJI AND GABAN

 

[BattalGazi]

They really aren't. One gets play with the women while the other doesn't. The list goes on

How do you even know Gaban wasn't a player in his past, even Luffy said he is exactly like Sanji.

 

[Gears Kaios]

Rodger is

a D clan member like luffy

Has the voice of all things like luffy

Has all forms of advanced haki like luffy

Is a captain of his own crew like luffy.

Both had relationships with another D member (Garp).




Zoro and Rayleigh both swordsman. Both have coc and Advanced coc. Both are the second strongest of their crews. Both are the 2nd mate of their crews. Both have a scar on their eye.



EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE DIFFERENT BETWEEN RODGER AND LUFFY AND RAYLEIGH AND ZORO THERE ARE EVEN MORE CLEAR SIMILARITIES. THAT LITERALLT DOES NOT APPLY TO SANJI AND GABAN

So you’re denying sanji and gaban are paralells?