Speculations Will Zoro unleash a new Ashura technique vs. King?

[ImmaIvanoM]

Contrary to the expectation of some people who thought that Zoro is going to at worst mid-diff King, King looks like a formidable opponent, who will give Zoro his first high/extreme diff fight post-TS.

On top of that, Oda has purposefully made the Zoro/King fight in a place miles away from other people. This is quite similar to the rooftop fight between Luffy and Kaido right now, where no one can be near them. Of course Zoro and King are not getting the sky-splitting moment, but by separating Zoro/King away from the mass, we can speculate that Oda wants to make their fight very AP-heavy. In a sense, zoro's duel against king parallels luffy's duel against kaido.

IMO, King can go down in one of few ways.

1) Santoryu (3-sword style)
- Zoro will need the high-tier santoryu attack, think Tatsumaki (dragon-twister) or Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai (the upgraded version of Sanzen Sekai, which defeated pica).
- Personally, I don't see this happening, as King was capable of blocking/clashing with ultra-tiger hunt, as if it was just a normal sword attack. King is simply too strong imo to go down by a santoryu attack. Some of the other santoryu attacks are a bit stronger, but not likely strong enough to 1-hit KO King.

2) Ashura (9-sword style) - Jest of the dead (亡者戯)
- This is the new move that scarred Kaido, which Kaido complimented by saying you have done more than enough.
- Personally I think this move can definitely KO King, but I have a feeling that Zoro won't be using this technique. The reason is because I think this is a special ashura move used by zoro when he is very closed to dying. 亡者戯 can be trasnlated as Jest of the dead, or dead man's game. As its name implies, the user is probably in a near-death condition to use it. Can King push zoro to near death condition? Possibly? But to the condition of 30 broken bones by hakai? Probably not.

3) Ashura (9-sword style) - a new technique
- On one hand, Santoryu doesn't seem to be enough to take down King, on other hand Jest of the dead seems to be a move only used in near-death situation by Zoro. This leads me to think that in order to defeat King, Zoro will have to unleash a new Ashura technique. This attack is at least as strong as 亡者戯 (jest of the dead), and can possibly be a bit stronger.


I suspect there will be a lot of debates over which ashura technique is the strongest, but that's not the point of this thread. Overall, I think it will be exciting to see how powerful zoro's new ashura technique will be. Given that this will be his 2nd time using it post-TS, and the first time he used it he perma-scarred Kaido, I am glad to see King is a worthy enough opponent that can make Zoro go all-out.







@Finalbeta @nik87 @Seth @Zowo @m0nst3Rx @Salah WG @Thururuzao @The White Crane

What about AdvCoC

its like people are forgetting Zoro just learned he can cut people with CoC… I mean i would be very suprised if Zoro never uses this in this fight

 

[Redboy776]

King so far has been using Emperor named attack.

So I think whatever attack Zoro use to Beat King will also have the theme Emperor in it.

It will be also Oda's way to enlight Zoro's définitive entry into top tier realm.

 

[Finalbeta]

Asura - Emperor Tiger

 

[Crush]

Contrary to the expectation of some people who thought that Zoro is going to at worst mid-diff King, King looks like a formidable opponent, who will give Zoro his first high/extreme diff fight post-TS.

On top of that, Oda has purposefully made the Zoro/King fight in a place miles away from other people. This is quite similar to the rooftop fight between Luffy and Kaido right now, where no one can be near them. Of course Zoro and King are not getting the sky-splitting moment, but by separating Zoro/King away from the mass, we can speculate that Oda wants to make their fight very AP-heavy. In a sense, zoro's duel against king parallels luffy's duel against kaido.

IMO, King can go down in one of few ways.

1) Santoryu (3-sword style)
- Zoro will need the high-tier santoryu attack, think Tatsumaki (dragon-twister) or Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai (the upgraded version of Sanzen Sekai, which defeated pica).
- Personally, I don't see this happening, as King was capable of blocking/clashing with ultra-tiger hunt, as if it was just a normal sword attack. King is simply too strong imo to go down by a santoryu attack. Some of the other santoryu attacks are a bit stronger, but not likely strong enough to 1-hit KO King.

2) Ashura (9-sword style) - Jest of the dead (亡者戯)
- This is the new move that scarred Kaido, which Kaido complimented by saying you have done more than enough.
- Personally I think this move can definitely KO King, but I have a feeling that Zoro won't be using this technique. The reason is because I think this is a special ashura move used by zoro when he is very closed to dying. 亡者戯 can be trasnlated as Jest of the dead, or dead man's game. As its name implies, the user is probably in a near-death condition to use it. Can King push zoro to near death condition? Possibly? But to the condition of 30 broken bones by hakai? Probably not.

3) Ashura (9-sword style) - a new technique
- On one hand, Santoryu doesn't seem to be enough to take down King, on other hand Jest of the dead seems to be a move only used in near-death situation by Zoro. This leads me to think that in order to defeat King, Zoro will have to unleash a new Ashura technique. This attack is at least as strong as 亡者戯 (jest of the dead), and can possibly be a bit stronger.


I suspect there will be a lot of debates over which ashura technique is the strongest, but that's not the point of this thread. Overall, I think it will be exciting to see how powerful zoro's new ashura technique will be. Given that this will be his 2nd time using it post-TS, and the first time he used it he perma-scarred Kaido, I am glad to see King is a worthy enough opponent that can make Zoro go all-out.







@Finalbeta @nik87 @Seth @Zowo @m0nst3Rx @Salah WG @Thururuzao @The White Crane

Again, people continue to underestimate King.

Let me make a prediction. Come back to this thread when it happens.

1. King will be able to equal out Asura Zoro. This will be an extreme diff fight.
2. Asura will be a form. Not just one attack when he fights King.

Asura Zoro vs Hybrid King(Awakening) will be nearly equals. Zoro may get the better of him while in Asura for the first few moments but King will be able to adjust eventually.


Plus the parallel of King and Katakuri

Katakuri ragdolls Luffy
King ragdolls Zoro

Luffy pulls out G4
Zoro pulls out Asura

Luffy learns Future Sight to reach Katakuri's Level
Zoro learns ???? to reach King's Level.

We'll soon find out what King's Future Sight will be. Advanced Armament? Zoan Awakening? Advanced Conqueror's? Lunarian Abilities?

After Luffy learns Future Sight, he uses a new g4 form vs Katakuri to defeat him?
AFter Zoro learns ???, he uses a new asura form vs King to defeat him?

 

[Human D Luffy]

Again, people continue to underestimate King.

Let me make a prediction. Come back to this thread when it happens.

1. King will be able to equal out Asura Zoro. This will be an extreme diff fight.
2. Asura will be a form. Not just one attack when he fights King.

1) Ashura refers to 9-swords style, so i agree with you that it can be a form of fighting instead of just a one single attack.
However, given Zoro has never used 2 ashura attacks consecutively, we are made to think that it involves either tremendous amount of energy or requires a certain special condition to activate.

2) For now, I don't believe Zoro can use Ashura as a form consecutively like he does with santoryu. If Ashura can be used consecutively, then Zoro will pretty much yonko level and up. This is because every single attack will be capable of scarring Kaido. All in all, King is a formidable opponent that might require a new ashura attack, but I doubt he will survive 2 ashura attacks and thus no ashura form is necessary imo.

 

[fanboy]

He will use foxfire style paired with CoC to defeat King.

 

[Crush]

1) Ashura refers to 9-swords style, so i agree with you that it can be a form of fighting instead of just a one single attack.
However, given Zoro has never used 2 ashura attacks consecutively, we are made to think that it involves either tremendous amount of energy or requires a certain special condition to activate.

Yes, most likely a tremendous amount of energy. Probably a lot more than g4 luffy uses. He may only be able to fight in the form for 5-10 minutes. I think King will finally be the voice that finally explains what exactly it is.

2) For now, I don't believe Zoro can use Ashura as a form consecutively like he does with santoryu. If Ashura can be used consecutively, then Zoro will pretty much yonko level and up. This is because every single attack will be capable of scarring Kaido. All in all, King is a formidable opponent that might require a new ashura attack, but I doubt he will survive 2 ashura attacks and thus no ashura form is necessary imo.

Yonkou level? You're overestimating Asura. It's able to hurt Kaidou, sure, but it's not that simple or easy. Scarring doesn't equal defeating Kaidou. Zoro wasn't able to put Kaidou down even though he permanently scarred him. It can be essentially what g4 is to luffy. Overwhelms an opponent but eventually it either runs out because his opponent can either endure it or they can cancel out that form with their own abilities.

King will be the latter. I'm expecting Awakening, lunarian abilities and his hybrid form to be able to cancel out Asura's lethality.

You guys will be surprised when King survives Asura and actually looks good doing it.

 

[nostromo]

No, Asura is an outdated technique. I think Zoro will unleash a new secret kenjutsu.

 

[Zowo]

1. King will be able to equal out Asura Zoro. This will be an extreme diff fight.

when kaido couldnt with 30 broken bones zoro
are u telling me king>kaido



OT:

oda never had zoro using ashura twice in an arc anyways
its sanzen sekai that drops king down wth coc coating or a new 3 swordstyle tehnique

 

[Finalbeta]

1) Ashura refers to 9-swords style, so i agree with you that it can be a form of fighting instead of just a one single attack.
However, given Zoro has never used 2 ashura attacks consecutively, we are made to think that it involves either tremendous amount of energy or requires a certain special condition to activate.

2) For now, I don't believe Zoro can use Ashura as a form consecutively like he does with santoryu. If Ashura can be used consecutively, then Zoro will pretty much yonko level and up. This is because every single attack will be capable of scarring Kaido. All in all, King is a formidable opponent that might require a new ashura attack, but I doubt he will survive 2 ashura attacks and thus no ashura form is necessary imo.

I think he may very well be able to use Asura consciously we just don't know. We only know that he didn't acknowledge it was ACoC at that time and Kaido was required though we don't even know if Asura = CoC regardless.

As for how many times, that's another mystery. I would bet perhaps if he's healthy maybe not just one round. Perhaps he needs a cool down after an attack and then can use it again within the same battle.

 

[Black]

No, Asura is an outdated technique. I think Zoro will unleash a new secret kenjutsu.

But still its his strongest technique up until now.

 

[nostromo]

But still its his strongest technique up until now.

True, but I think an update is needed. Asura Zoro is complicated to draw with all those arms, I would prefer something less "static" if you know what I mean.

 

[Crush]

when kaido couldnt with 30 broken bones zoro
are u telling me king>kaido



OT:

oda never had zoro using ashura twice in an arc anyways
its sanzen sekai that drops king down wth coc coating or a new 3 swordstyle tehnique

You're probably also one of the guys who thought Zoro could mid diff King. You guys are delusional.

 

[Zowo]

You're probably also one of the guys who thought Zoro could mid diff King. You guys are delusional.

How im delusional ? U clown is telling in that post that king will perform better against healthy zoro asura than kaido did against 30 broken bones zoro lmfaoo
The thing that scarred kaido king gonna perform better

 

[Crush]

How im delusional ? U clown is telling in that post that king will perform better against healthy zoro asura than kaido did against 30 broken bones zoro lmfaoo
The thing that scarred kaido king gonna perform better

I see you didn't deny that you believe Zoro would mid diff King.

When will you learn? Scarring Kaidou does not mean Asura Zoro is equal to Kaidou even if he was injured while using it.

 

[Zowo]

I see you didn't deny that you believe Zoro would mid diff King.

When will you learn? Scarring Kaidou does not mean Asura Zoro is equal to Kaidou even if he was injured while using it.

Scarring kaido means his ap is far strongest than 4 scabbards combined thst couldnt open an old wound
King is not surviving asura lmao

 

[Crush]

Scarring kaido means his ap is far strongest than 4 scabbards combined thst couldnt open an old wound
King is not surviving asura lmao

Just so we're clear, my opinion is that King will be able to adjust after Zoro uses Asura. Asura will definitely be able to overwhelm King for a bit.

As for you, you are way too fixated on Zoro's Ap while using Asura. There is more to a battle than having a larger Ap than your opponent.

You're very linear in your thought process which is why probably weeks ago, it lead you to believe that King would be mid diffed by Zoro.

You: "Hurr Duhh, Zoro can scar Kaidou with Asura so anyone under him will get oneshot when he uses". "Hurr Duh, Zoro speedblitzes Hybrid Kaidou with broken bones. That means he can speedblitz King anytime he wants in Asura Mode"

It's not that simple, people can avoid attacks, cancel them out, or even stop them from using it. Zoro may have the Ap over King in his best form but King also has advantages of Zoro. The most important one being mobility, flight, speed. If Asura is deadly, King has the ability to attack at long range. Zoro sends a large slash? King has the ability to avoid it from a far and he probably has other tricks up his sleeves.

 

[BOCCHI]

Maybe or maybe not idk, but it’s not needed after a prolonged fight of Zoro doing high lvl attacks up his sleeve and prob end it with either a powerful new attack or dragon blazez

 

[Finalbeta]

Maybe or maybe not idk, but it’s not needed after a prolonged fight of Zoro doing high lvl attacks up his sleeve and prob end it with either a powerful new attack or dragon blazez

He has yet to unleash his heavy hitters even in Base, so far he didn't try so hard. It would be cool if those proved enough to defeat King. It would testify Zoro's might if anything.

 

[Ven437]

Zoro will throw Ashura Doji at King now? I can see that

The new Ashura technique > Asura