Character Discussion Wings of the Pirate King

#41
Oda literally made him appear once and ditched him in the trash.
You don't know what "literally" means.

Gaban first appeared with Rayleigh back in chapter 19 and was shown to co-lead the attack on the Whitebeard Pirates alongside the First Mate (not just standing together; it's huge to be depicted taking the leadership together with the second in command plus fighting alongside him to face Oden before Roger goes himself). Those two details should be enough for this fandom to lose their mind over him, but of course he's associated with Sanji so some individuals will diminish anything related to him.
 
#43
You don't know what "literally" means.

Gaban first appeared with Rayleigh back in chapter 19 and was shown to co-lead the attack on the Whitebeard Pirates alongside the First Mate (not just standing together; it's huge to be depicted taking the leadership together with the second in command plus fighting alongside him to face Oden before Roger goes himself). Those two details should be enough for this fandom to lose their mind over him, but of course he's associated with Sanji so some individuals will diminish anything related to him.
My guy, he did nothing relevant to the series after over 1000 chapters. Comparing that to the teacher of the New PK, someone who despite his old age stopped an Admiral on his tracks, someone whose reputation alone made a Yonko retreat, someone who has been acknowledged as a Legend alongside White-fucking-Beard, someone who calls Roger "Roger", someone literally called Partner by The PK, someone who is that much of a threat by himself that the GB doesn't dare to fuck with him and some things more than I'm probably missing is a straight up insult. Accept the reality, Gaban did pretty much nothing relevant and Oda didn't even care to make him appear more even tho he could've easily made him appear alongside Rayleigh on all of the situations that I mentioned above.

Edit: Found this picture sent by I don't remember who. Maybe a meme is enough to make you open your eyes.

(Credits to whoever made it and posted it before me lol)
 
#44
You don't know what "literally" means.

Gaban first appeared with Rayleigh back in chapter 19 and was shown to co-lead the attack on the Whitebeard Pirates alongside the First Mate (not just standing together; it's huge to be depicted taking the leadership together with the second in command plus fighting alongside him to face Oden before Roger goes himself). Those two details should be enough for this fandom to lose their mind over him, but of course he's associated with Sanji so some individuals will diminish anything related to him.
He's not really associated with Sanji we have been given like no similarities besides being third in the trio. I still maintain my stance that Rayleigh is both Zoro and Sanji mixed.
 
#45
He's not really associated with Sanji we have been given like no similarities besides being third in the trio. I still maintain my stance that Rayleigh is both Zoro and Sanji mixed.
The only thing that Sanji and Rayleigh have in common is liking Women and being blonde. Literally nothing else lol unlike Zoro who has many, many more parallels.
 
#48
Believe what you want. You won't change my stance.
It's kinda hard to change the stance of someone who believes at something without any proof or reasonment at all so yeah. Your delusion is too strong for me to break it. Sorry πŸ˜”
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Might as well say Zoro and Sanji are in Rayleigh.
The guy above you literally said that LMAO. I guess there is dumb people everywhere
 
#49
It's kinda hard to change the stance of someone who believes at something without any proof or reasonment at all so yeah. Your delusion is too strong for me to break it. Sorry πŸ˜”
I've given my reasons before, I get one line statements back with no real debate, it's old and boring so now I just state my position and agree to disagree. That's what we call common ground, my friend.
 
#50
My guy, he did nothing relevant to the series after over 1000 chapters. Comparing that to the teacher of the New PK, someone who despite his old age stopped an Admiral on his tracks, someone whose reputation alone made a Yonko retreat, someone who has been acknowledged as a Legend alongside White-fucking-Beard, someone who calls Roger "Roger", someone literally called Partner by The PK, someone who is that much of a threat by himself that the GB doesn't dare to fuck with him and some things more than I'm probably missing is a straight up insult. Accept the reality, Gaban did pretty much nothing relevant and Oda didn't even care to make him appear more even tho he could've easily made him appear alongside Rayleigh on all of the situations that I mentioned above.

Edit: Found this picture sent by I don't remember who. Maybe a meme is enough to make you open your eyes.

(Credits to whoever made it and posted it before me lol)

:steef:
 
#51
Man, they appeared together once... Zoroβ‰ˆBrook confirmed?
I've given my reasons before, I get one line statements back with no real debate, it's old and boring so now I just state my position and agree to disagree. That's what we call common ground, my friend.
You gave your reasons? My bad for not seeing them then. May you @ or post them again? If your reason is that both are blonde and like women then don't even bother tho lmao
 

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#53
Why makin this a competition b/w Rayleigh and Gaban when the point's only they're a duo? Nobody argued abt who's better, stronger or more important. Don't see why it's so bothersome to say they form a duo, although I guess OP shoul've used manga panels instead of a video game lol.
 
#54
Why makin this a competition b/w Rayleigh and Gaban when the point's only they're a duo? Nobody argued abt who's better, stronger or more important. Don't see why it's so bothersome to say they form a duo, although I guess OP shoul've used manga panels instead of a video game lol.
They appeared once together in the manga lmao. That's not even enough to make them a duo because of how irrelevant Gaban is.
 
#55
He's not really associated with Sanji we have been given like no similarities besides being third in the trio. I still maintain my stance that Rayleigh is both Zoro and Sanji mixed.
Associated by part of the fandom, I meant.

My guy, he did nothing relevant to the series after over 1000 chapters. Comparing that to the teacher of the New PK, someone who despite his old age stopped an Admiral on his tracks, someone whose reputation alone made a Yonko retreat, someone who has been acknowledged as a Legend alongside White-fucking-Beard, someone who calls Roger "Roger", someone literally called Partner by The PK, someone who is that much of a threat by himself that the GB doesn't dare to fuck with him and some things more than I'm probably missing is a straight up insult. Accept the reality, Gaban did pretty much nothing relevant and Oda didn't even care to make him appear more even tho he could've easily made him appear alongside Rayleigh on all of the situations that I mentioned above.

Edit: Found this picture sent by I don't remember who. Maybe a meme is enough to make you open your eyes.

(Credits to whoever made it and posted it before me lol)
I'm not saying he's the most important character in this story, "my guy".

What I'm saying is that you don't first draw the character in chapter 19 and put him co-leading the whole crew alongside the actual First Mate plus ready to face Oden if you don't see him as relevant. Saying that his best feat is "appearing in a panel together with Rayleigh" is a dishonest way to describe how this character has been handled by Oda, because one thing is appearing together with someone but a very different thing is doing so in a way that highlights his importance as, first, a figure of authority in the crew by virtue of co-leading its attack alongside the First Mate; and second, a figure of strength by virtue of accompanying the second strongest crewmate to stop a powerful threat right before the captain himself goes for it.

Gaban is associated by part of the fandom with Sanji and that has lead another part of the fandom who commonly loathes said Sanji to diminish Gaban, but again: this is a pirate of Roger who was introduced in freaking chapter 19 alongside Rayleigh himself and was later drawn ready to face Oden alongside Rayleigh and leading the crew's attack on equal ground with said Rayleigh who happens to be the First Mate, ergo the person with the official authority over the rest (yet look at irrelevant Gaban showing the same level of authority when it comes to leading an attack). Put all of this together without the "Sanji involvement" bias and anybody would lose their mind over Gaban because he had no reason to be so highlighted as a figure of authority and power having Rayleigh there, yet he was. And don't even dare to tell me Oda didn't mean anything by drawing this supposedly irrelevant Gaban alongside the First Mate leading the whole crew.

Of course Rayleigh is more important, not saying the contrary; but let's not be stupid by trying to pretend Gaban wasn't a big figure too back during his era because Oda has been pretty clear on this too (this assuming he won't make an appearance in the current timeline, which is a possibility still).
 
#57
Brook stood with Zoro against people he doesn't stand a chance against, this is enough for this fanbase to lose their minds over Brook, please lose more of your minds dear brainlets!
Remember the 5v1 against a seraphim? I don't, I don't want to remember who was part of those 5 and what that implies!
It's so easy to trigger these 🍬 :arnoling:
Oda had one chance to draw the Roger Pirates versus the Whitebeard Pirates and the First Mate was drawn sharing the authority with Gaban as they both co-lead the attack instead of having Rayleigh do the whole job. Guess why? I suppose it has nothing to do with introducing Gaban in the same chapter as Rayleigh, or giving him a metal name too, or...

It's not about standing alongside someone. It's about the role given, dear brainlet. If you think Oda just chose to draw them leading the crew together because he finds Gaban irrelevant then you're already lost.
 
#58
Associated by part of the fandom, I meant.



I'm not saying he's the most important character in this story, "my guy".

What I'm saying is that you don't first draw the character in chapter 19 and put him co-leading the whole crew alongside the actual First Mate plus ready to face Oden if you don't see him as relevant. Saying that his best feat is "appearing in a panel together with Rayleigh" is a dishonest way to describe how this character has been handled by Oda, because one thing is appearing together with someone but a very different thing is doing so in a way that highlights his importance as, first, a figure of authority in the crew by virtue of co-leading its attack alongside the First Mate; and second, a figure of strength by virtue of accompanying the second strongest crewmate to stop a powerful threat right before the captain himself goes for it.

Gaban is associated by part of the fandom with Sanji and that has lead another part of the fandom who commonly loathes said Sanji to diminish Gaban, but again: this is a pirate of Roger who was introduced in freaking chapter 19 alongside Rayleigh himself and was later drawn ready to face Oden alongside Rayleigh and leading the crew's attack on equal ground with said Rayleigh who happens to be the First Mate, ergo the person with the official authority over the rest. Put all of this together without the "Sanji involvement" bias and anybody would lose their mind over Gaban because he had no reason to be so highlighted as a figure of authority and power having Rayleigh there, yet he was. And don't even dare to tell me Oda didn't mean anything by drawing this supposedly irrelevant Gaban alongside the First Mate leading the whole crew.

Of course Rayleigh is more important, not saying the contrary; but let's not be stupid by trying to pretend Gaban wasn't a big figure too back during his era because Oda has been pretty clear on this too (this assuming he won't make an appearance in the current timeline, which is a possibility still).
Gaban still did nothing important at all. It's time to accept it. He's been much more irrelevant than Oden himself let alone Rayleigh. It's been 1000+ chapters and we saw him twice and he wasn't even properly introduced and I'm pretty sure that he will never be. Why? Well, probably because Oda thinks that he isn't relevant enough. Accept it fast and you might stop being delusional. You can remove his ass from the story and nothing at all would change. Literally nothing.

With that being said, the only thing that Gabban has in common with Sanji is being the number 3 (something that stopped happening when Oden came in becoming number 4 in the process just like Sanji now). Throwing that aside, I actually believe that Sanji is and should be different from Gabban. Even I believe that he deserves more than being compared to someone who appeared twice in 1070 and accomplished virtually nothing in the story so far. But who knows, maybe they actually have more things in common. Sadly, we don't know because Oda doesn't care enough to show us more stuff of Gabban.

As a side note 2.0; do you actually know what happened in chapter 19?
 
#59
You gave your reasons? My bad for not seeing them then. May you @ or post them again? If your reason is that both are blonde and like women then don't even bother tho lmao
Had to get unlazy and switch from mobile to desktop for this, so I'm only stating it once. If you give me one-liner responses back, troll, or take it not seriously at all, we are done and we just agree to disagree and walk off.

I believe Rayleigh to be Zoro and Sanji in one, due to many factors. The first, I will steal from @Warchief Sanji D Goat as I never noticed, and am now adding it to the list. If Gaban is 2-in1 both Navigator and Helmsman (Jimbei and Nami) then it only gives more support to Rayleigh being both Zoro and Sanji. Thanks for that, Goat.

I guess for starters we'll go with the simple superficial stuff you don't want to hear.

Appearance:
If you take both Zoro and Sanji and overlay them to younger Rayleigh, you get Rayleigh. Blonde and Goatee (Sanji) Scar and facial construction (Zoro). Except not completely, because Zoro's scar is on the opposite eye, the eye that Sanji shows now, while Rayleigh's scar is on the eye that Sanji hides. Oda will not explain to us why he flipped Sanji's hair, he acted like it was a mistake to in joke to get away from the question.

But that's not all. If you look at panels of Rayleigh, in side profile when he yells at Shanks and Buggy, his expressions are more like Sanji's, the way Oda draws his grimaces, glares, and teeth. IN SIDE PROFILE. From the front, he has the smiles, expressions, of Zoro. Mirroring both of them. You may not think this is a big deal, but Oda draws both Zoro and Sanji's expressions just different enough to carry their personalities. They do not have the same grimaces, glares, and teeth style in side view so as to differentiate their designs. But Rayleigh has both.

His clothes, likewise are always both formal and casual, like he's a mix of two styles. A rogue and a Gentleman.

Paneling:
Like Rayleigh carries their expressions in panels. We also pay attention to paneling and symbolism. When Rayleigh is in panels before timeskip, it is most always Sanji and Zoro toegether speaking to him, if not in the same panel, side by side panels. We hardly ever see just one of them speak to him except after timeskip. Even the famous CoC scene has them side by side.

Strengths and Weakness:
I always say Zoro and Sanji compliment each other, speed and strength, strategy and reactionary, wits and bruteforce, etc.
Rayleigh has both. Rayleigh does both martial arts and swordsmanship. Rayleigh is both a planner, and a frontman. Both impulsive, and calculating. Both wits, and bruteforce, well-rounded in speed and strength.

Rayleigh came up with 3D2Y plan. Sanji comes up with most plans and last minute saves. Oh, but you'll say Zoro came up with the X-Mark plan, and yes he did, but it was also surprised amongst the crew that he did. For Rayleigh, it was just accepted that he would come up with such, no surprise. For the 3D2Y plan, Zoro was the last to understand the plan and was called dense by Rayleigh when Luffy asked if they'd get it. However, Rayleigh has had clueless moments as well, once again, showcasing both Sanji's wits, and Zoro's bruteness.

Vices:
Womanzing, Gambling and Drinking, both Sanji and Zoro.

General presence and importance. Luffy is supposed to surpass Roger's crew. He does that by having the best of what Roger had in more than one person. Instead of having one right-hand man he trusted with the world like Roger and Rayleigh, he has his wings in Sanji and Zoro to back him up. Instead of having the genius of just Gaban if he is helmsman and navigator, he instead has Nami and Jimbei being the geniuses of their craft.
 
#60
Oda had one chance to draw the Roger Pirates versus the Whitebeard Pirates and the First Mate was drawn sharing the authority with Gaban as they both co-lead the attack instead of having Rayleigh do the whole job. Guess why? I suppose it has nothing to do with introducing Gaban in the same chapter as Rayleigh, or giving him a metal name too, or...

It's not about standing alongside someone. It's about the role given, dear brainlet. If you think Oda just chose to draw them leading the crew together because he finds Gaban irrelevant then you're already lost.
CG Gaban was in a panel with Rayleigh. That's literally what this boils down to, that's what candies have been doing since they started to read OP and saw how weak Lanji is. There's no other fanbase in manga history that does this.
Now we pretend that Oden never existed and was never part of the Roger Pirates, we don't want to push certain parallels, we would have to talk about strength and this is a no-no around here. :myman:
 
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