General & Others Without a base island and fodder army, do Luffy really feel like a Yonko to you?
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Luffy has a bunch of unofficial allies from the Fishmen, Wano, Alabasta, the Minks. It's no different from how Shanks got his allies and territories by just protecting them and they felt indebted.
Don Sai, one of Luffy's Grand Fleet Captains will be the heir to Kano Country too so all of Kano Country will be at Luffy's disposal.
Don Sai, one of Luffy's Grand Fleet Captains will be the heir to Kano Country too so all of Kano Country will be at Luffy's disposal.
Oda already abandoned a lot of the characteristics of the Yonko for it to work. Cross Guild is even worse in that regard.
Without any official bases or organization, it does feel like a loose collection of pirates that are an empire in name only.
The Big Mom pirates are still the best example of a proper empire that Oda has done.
Without any official bases or organization, it does feel like a loose collection of pirates that are an empire in name only.
The Big Mom pirates are still the best example of a proper empire that Oda has done.
Does Shanks have a base island? Not sure if Elbaf was told to be it.
Did Whitebeard had a base island? I don't think he made his hometown his base island.
Roger for sure also didn't had a base island but still we could say he was like a Yonko.
Base island is not requirement to become a Yonko.
And he does have a fodder army wtf? His grand fleet is that. The captains are strong but the captains crew are fodders. Even the Giant crew.
Did Whitebeard had a base island? I don't think he made his hometown his base island.
Roger for sure also didn't had a base island but still we could say he was like a Yonko.
Base island is not requirement to become a Yonko.
And he does have a fodder army wtf? His grand fleet is that. The captains are strong but the captains crew are fodders. Even the Giant crew.
No because this describes Shanks and even Whitebeard to a lesser degree all the same, neither of them really have an Onigashima/WCI type thing where they just chill there for months/years on end, from what we saw of Whitebeard in flashbacks etc, he's always sailing.
And the Grand Fleet isn't fodder compared to other Yonko allies.
And the Grand Fleet isn't fodder compared to other Yonko allies.
Luffy has a grand fleet and allies all over the world. He's more than deserving of the yonko title. Him and BB are different from the old yonko that just sat in their territory surrounded by their army's. Luffy and BB both move without the full strength of their armies and don't just fortify themselves.
Do they even feel like a crew?
Always needing allies cause the crew only has 9/10 members
Instead of Oda having fodders and other mid tiers in the crew and letting his fleets sail with him,
We're stuck to with this
Even Roger had 30+ members on the ship
So does Shanks has 20+ people on his main ship
And walks around with his fleets too
Always needing allies cause the crew only has 9/10 members
Instead of Oda having fodders and other mid tiers in the crew and letting his fleets sail with him,
We're stuck to with this
Even Roger had 30+ members on the ship
So does Shanks has 20+ people on his main ship
And walks around with his fleets too
Sure, a base and a fodder army is the most useless thing for a yonko. Just look at who is probably the strongest yonko currently: Shanks. He has no base, he wanders here and there with his ship, just like Luffy, and his grand fleet is actually not an help but a burden he has to protect, guess for Luffy could be the same if actually logic applied to the manga (why wouldn't marines or BB pirates or whoever has beef with the SHs go and attack the guys who joined in Dressrosa).
Also from the story point of view it would be a burden if he has now to make an island his HQ, he has to leave people there to protect it, actually somebody must eventually attack it... Now Oda is going full on the "find the one piece" route and also actually, he will not change the formula he always used and made OP what it is now.
Also from the story point of view it would be a burden if he has now to make an island his HQ, he has to leave people there to protect it, actually somebody must eventually attack it... Now Oda is going full on the "find the one piece" route and also actually, he will not change the formula he always used and made OP what it is now.
Shanks has the true fodder fleet, compared to those poor bastards Luffy's fleet is amazing.
I still don't consider Luffy a true Yonkou tbh, but story-wise it makes sense for him to be one. And technically, Oda made him look impressive in WG's eyes - he has a lot of support from different islands, he has a fleet, his own crew is so dangerous to WG that they keep on sending CP-whatever agents after Nico Robin.
What I'm trying to say, at this point it doesn't matter if we as readers don't see Luffy as a Yonkou, it's how the WG sees it in the story.
I still don't consider Luffy a true Yonkou tbh, but story-wise it makes sense for him to be one. And technically, Oda made him look impressive in WG's eyes - he has a lot of support from different islands, he has a fleet, his own crew is so dangerous to WG that they keep on sending CP-whatever agents after Nico Robin.
What I'm trying to say, at this point it doesn't matter if we as readers don't see Luffy as a Yonkou, it's how the WG sees it in the story.
Strawhat Grand Fleet is fodder army imo, while Strawhat Base can be Fishman Island or Wano...Luffy's way too carefree and opposite of a royal-vibe king to feel like a Yonkou...maybe thats what Oda designed PK vibe to be like, just like a carefree guy, ridiculous and fun to party with, but...is also an unstoppable power by himself, and also followed by a band of brothers always ready to fight as a unit.