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Then it seems to me the moral of this story is if you draw indy here, consider very carefully before you out it, as if youre expecting a smooth ride, youll likely be disappointed.
Sure, but I've always been inclined to promote indies claiming. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement if it is exercised properly, which it seems it rarely is.
Which is the convention Ive always played to, but then we don't really use truly benign indies, as whats the point, just make them town
I agree that there is no real reason for my to be not Town here, at least.
 
The point for Pro Town indies is to add variety to the game, as they have a Town aligned wincon.

Instead of a "Eliminate all threats to Town" they could have a wincon to protect certain Town roles or dispose of certain Mafia roles and be specifically geared towards achieving that wincon.

Basically the whole point of it is to add variety to Mafia games, enriching it, which is beneficial long-term in terms of captivating players and keeping them.
You can give town players additional conditions, and remove a lot of the friction weve seen this game.

Now sometimes, hosts want that friction, its what keeps a game turning, but he who fights by the sword, dies by the sword. Thats the nature of the game. Indie mutual masturbation club is not what mafia is, the contest is always town vs threats to town, whether immediate or long term.
 

Mashiro Blue

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You can give town players additional conditions, and remove a lot of the friction weve seen this game.

Now sometimes, hosts want that friction, its what keeps a game turning, but he who fights by the sword, dies by the sword. Thats the nature of the game. Indie mutual masturbation club is not what mafia is, the contest is always town vs threats to town, whether immediate or long term.
I had an additional condition on my 2nd role in Weeb's and I would've very much prefer to not have an "Eliminate all threats to Town" wincon as a supposed indie. I was even green and everything.

Regarding the friction, I understand the origin of it, but nonetheless ultimately is how people decide to view it, it is no different than Scum claiming Town, which should have some scrutiny I agree.

However and the most important point is and giving this game as an example

If Ratchet had claimed Town and proceeded to do all the play he did so far he would be Town locked no doubt. But because he said indie it is disregarded. Which I can approve of the different treatment witg all rest being the same.


For the rest of your point. It is of my belief that that by itself doesn't invalidate the point I made previously. However that's just my view of it. I very much prefer having indies in Mafia games but I concede the fact that it's just my personal preference here.
 

Mashiro Blue

𝓦𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝓾𝓹𝓸𝓷 𝓪 𝓼𝓱𝓸𝓸𝓽𝓲𝓷𝓰 𝓼𝓽𝓪𝓻 ✰
I had an additional condition on my 2nd role in Weeb's and I would've very much prefer to not have an "Eliminate all threats to Town" wincon as a supposed indie. I was even green and everything.

Regarding the friction, I understand the origin of it, but nonetheless ultimately is how people decide to view it, it is no different than Scum claiming Town, which should have some scrutiny I agree.

However and the most important point is and giving this game as an example

If Ratchet had claimed Town and proceeded to do all the play he did so far he would be Town locked no doubt. But because he said indie it is disregarded. Which I can approve of the different treatment witg all rest being the same.


For the rest of your point. It is of my belief that that by itself doesn't invalidate the point I made previously. However that's just my view of it. I very much prefer having indies in Mafia games but I concede the fact that it's just my personal preference here.
*Can't approve
 
I had an additional condition on my 2nd role in Weeb's and I would've very much prefer to not have an "Eliminate all threats to Town" wincon as a supposed indie. I was even green and everything.

Regarding the friction, I understand the origin of it, but nonetheless ultimately is how people decide to view it, it is no different than Scum claiming Town, which should have some scrutiny I agree.

However and the most important point is and giving this game as an example

If Ratchet had claimed Town and proceeded to do all the play he did so far he would be Town locked no doubt. But because he said indie it is disregarded. Which I can approve of the different treatment witg all rest being the same.


For the rest of your point. It is of my belief that that by itself doesn't invalidate the point I made previously. However that's just my view of it. I very much prefer having indies in Mafia games but I concede the fact that it's just my personal preference here.
Scum claiming town is an act of intentional deception lol, but thats what they have to do

I dont mind having all varieties of indies, thats not the point im making. My point is that when a host designs the game with all of these moving parts, friction is inevitable and presumably by design.

Like in ratchets case, yes at face value he has been working to towns (my) benefit. Therefore Ive had no hostility toward him. That doesnt mean I just assume hes my best friend forever, and if he makes moves that I perceive as hostile, as he has this phase, then I will retaliate. Regardless of how much work hes put in, thats always going to be the calculation because I have to assume he could be hostile at any moment. The caveman who heard the rustling outside his home but chose to do nothing went extinct, and he who was careful lived to fight another day.

Case in point, you. You have masqueraded under the supposition that you would convert once ultra is gone. Thats fair enough on your part, and I was unwise to assume you were telling the truth. If I felt I could get away with killing you now, I would, but I have to be mindful of a ruse. See what I mean?
 
You're thick as shit and incompetent.
Says the guy who folded like a wet tissues the moment he realized his own incompetence back fired at him. Literally been behaving like a 5 years old doing nothing but cry and cuss all game because you thought betraying town and threatening us was a good idea. You get what you deserve, bark at townie and you get role blocked. End of the story, imagine a fucking indie outing publicly they gonna side with scum crying for couple of pages why townie targeted him. Pathetic.
 
I haven't done this.
Yes, you have and quite frankly I tried to be respectful and not say shit. But enough is enough. This is a game at the end of the day and I won't get pissed/mad over it, it's not worth it for me getting annoyed over mafia games anymore. I joined to help fuji out and have a good time, not deal with a meltdown version of you. If you want to keep taking digs my way for doing something I thought was 100% reasonable as townie then go for it, just know I'll ignore you for the remainder of the game.

Have a wonderful weekend.
 

Ratchet

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Yes, you have and quite frankly I tried to be respectful and not say shit. But enough is enough. This is a game at the end of the day and I won't get pissed/mad over it, it's not worth it for me getting annoyed over mafia games anymore. I joined to help fuji out and have a good time, not deal with a meltdown version of you. If you want to keep taking digs my way for doing something I thought was 100% reasonable as townie then go for it, just know I'll ignore you for the remainder of the game.

Have a wonderful weekend.
You've already established that you're a stupid person, you don't need to keep proving it in every subsequent post.
 
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