General & Others Worlds strongest swordsmen is a nonsense worthless title.

[Iam25]

this is the same guy who fought zoro at the start of the series btw. if you request to challenge him in a 1v1 he will oblige you.

He fought zoro with a knife. It wasn't until he saw Zoros courage he used Yoru.

Also. If Mihawk is strong why does he feel obliged to answer the WGs call and fignt WB? Why does the WG gather 100k marines and admirals and warlords to fight WB and still claim they can lose? WB is tiers above Mihawk
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How? Who will Zoro fight after Mihawk

Who said Zoro is going to have an extremely hard fight with Mihawk?
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almost as if whitebeard didnt fight a super rookie ace after making him fight with jinbe, a warlord, for 5 days straight. what is there for whitebeard to settle with someone who is barely as strong as marineford luffy at that time?

Huh? We are shown Whitebeard casually beating Ace 100 times and Ace at that point was much stronger than Marineford Luffy. He fought Jinbei for 5 days
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WG: sends fodder after Mihawk to capture him.
WG: hopefully these 100k troops, warlords and admirals dont lose to WB alone

 

[ConquistadoR]

Also. If Mihawk is strong why does he feel obliged to answer the WGs call and fignt WB? Why does the WG gather 100k marines and admirals and warlords to fight WB and still claim they can lose?

why did boa agree to the call? why did doflamingo agree to that call? if you dont oblige to the call from world govt, your shichibukai title is at stake. did you not see what happened to jinbe when he refused to fight whitebeard?

the world govt gathered such a force because they feared prime whitebeard , who could rival roger. not the sick old guy who could be stabbed by squard btw who fought at marineford.

stop editing your posts after people call out the bullshit you write on the regular lol.

are you seriously arguing Mihawk beats a quakeless PrimeBeard with a greatsword

never said that. all the title means is that, when mihawk became the world strongest swordsman, no one could beat him in a sword duel.
since it has not been specified when mihawk became the wss and when whitebeard started declining, there's no credibility to your argument.

If Mihawk were that strong he would have clownedVista instantly

yeah like one instance in a PIS filled arc where oda (constantly choosing to focus on narrative over powerscaling) had all this in mind. stop the cap lool. you know very well oda doesnt give a fuck about powerscaling consistency if he can make the narrative consistent.
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Huh? We are shown Whitebeard casually beating Ace 100 times and Ace at that point was much stronger than Marineford Luffy. He fought Jinbei for 5 days

yeah but according to the logic you use in this argument, whitebeard sent jinbe to soften ace up and then beat up a rookie who is barely stronger than marineford luffy.

WG: sends fodder after Mihawk to capture him.

yeah like oda called you up personally and told you about who's hunting mihawk lool.

 

[Iam25]

why did boa agree to the call? why did doflamingo agree to that call? if you dont oblige to the call from world govt, you're shichibukai title is at stake. did you not see what happened to jinbe when he refused to fight whitebeard?

the world govt gathered such a force because they feared prime whitebeard , who could rival roger. not the sick old guy who could be stabbed by squard btw who fought at marineford.

stop editing your posts after people call out the bullshit you write on the regular lol.


never said that. all the title means is that, when mihawk became the world strongest swordsman, no one could beat him in a sword duel.
since it has not been specified when mihawk became the wss and when whitebeard started declining, there's no credibility to your argument.


yeah like one instance in a PIS filled arc where oda (constantly choosing to focus on narrative over powerscaling) had all this in mind. stop the cap lool. you know very well oda doesnt give a fuck about powerscaling consistency if he can make the narrative consistent.

Because none of those warlords are very strong. Anyone truly Yonko tier can tell the government to fuck off. You saw what Shiki did to marineford right? That's one guy alone. And PrimeBeard >admirals, warlords 100k marines. Sounds like wank but Sengoku as good as admitted Whitebeard could defeat them.

And stop whining about PIS. Marco clearly views Vista as a peer to Mihawk.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Because none of those warlords are very strong. Anyone truly Yonko tier can tell the government to fuck off. You saw what Shiki did to marineford right? That's one guy alone. And PrimeBeard >admirals, warlords 100k marines. Sounds like wank but Sengoku as good as admitted Whitebeard could defeat them.

And stop whining about PIS. Marco clearly views Vista as a peer to Mihawk.

you're slowly turning this into another yonko vs admirals debate. not gonna engage with that.

and no, PIS did exist in one piece. Marco asking vista to engage with mihawk doesnt mean they are peers lool. whitebeard pirates were also fighting 3 admirals at the same time and we still dont know how the fight went. you're just reaching with all your statements.

 

[Jiihad]

OP: WSS title is trash, Mihawk should’ve shit stomped Vista

Oda: Lmaoooo, aye watch me make Robin(someone who is one shot material for Vista) judo flip Big Mam

 

[Iam25]

you're slowly turning this into another yonko vs admirals debate. not gonna engage with that.

and no, PIS did exist in one piece. Marco asking vista to engage with mihawk doesnt mean they are peers lool. whitebeard pirates were also fighting 3 admirals at the same time and we still dont know how the fight went. you're just reaching with all your statements.

No this is a Mihawk isn't Yonko or Admiral tier debate. We see what happens when a Yonko on his own deals with the marines. The marines literally have no men to spare for Mihawk if he doesn't comply. To comfortably capture a yonko you need tons of fodder, and 2 strong marines like Garp and Sengoku.

And he still halfway destroyed marineford in the process. Why does Mihawk need to be a warlord at all if he is so strong?

Remember how Garp doesn't think they can handle Rayleigh and Whitebeard at the same time?

 

[ConquistadoR]

OP: WSS title is trash, Mihawk should’ve shit stomped Vista

Oda: Lmaoooo, aye watch me make Robin(someone who is one shot material for Vista) judo flip Big Mam

people just need to realize that oda doesnt give two flying fucks about accurate powerscaling or consistency if he can get a good narrative out of it. 1000 chapters of one piece and the fans still fail to understand that lool. they'd enjoy one piece so much more if they accept that fact.

 

[Alpha]

people just need to realize that oda doesnt give two flying fucks about accurate powerscaling or consistency if he can get a good narrative out of it. 1000 chapters of one piece and the fans still fail to understand that lool. they'd enjoy one piece so much more if they accept that fact.

This^^^
In astonished by the amount of people still not getting this.

 

[ConquistadoR]

No this is a Mihawk isn't Yonko or Admiral tier debate. We see what happens when a Yonko on his own deals with the marines. The marines literally have no men to spare for Mihawk if he doesn't comply. To comfortably capture a yonko you need tons of fodder, and 2 strong marines like Garp and Sengoku.

And he still halfway destroyed marineford in the process. Why does Mihawk need to be a warlord at all if he is so strong?

Remember how Garp doesn't think they can handle Rayleigh and Whitebeard at the same time?

what do you even mean with all this? are you talking about what a young shiki did against prime garp and sengoku?

 

[Iam25]

what do you even mean with all this? are you talking about what a young shiki did against prime garp and sengoku?

He invaded marineford, killed countless soldiers, wrecked half the city and it still took 2 admirals tiers to capture him. If Mihawk is yonko tier it should be damn near impossible to capture him. Especially when the marines need every last man to fight Whitebeard

 

[ConquistadoR]

He invaded marineford, killed countless soldiers, wrecked half the city and it still took 2 admirals tiers to capture him. If Mihawk is yonko tier it should be damn near impossible to capture him. Especially when the marines need every last man to fight Whitebeard

you are highly overrating yonkos and underrating admirals based on a single interaction. akainu stated multiple times at marineford that they werent allowed to go all out and marineford shouldnt be destroyed. i dont see a single reason why that wasnt the case when garp and sengoku fought shiki as well.

since we're scaling based on off panel fights, let's talk about god valley as well ~ how primebeard, rocks (probably stronger than prime roger), kaido and big mom got wrecked by prime garp and prime roger. or will you not use that since it doesnt fit your narrative about yonkos and admirals? :)

 

[Iam25]

you are highly overrating yonkos and underrating admirals based on a single interaction. akainu stated multiple times at marineford that they werent allowed to go all out and marineford shouldnt be destroyed. i dont see a single reason why that wasnt the case when garp and sengoku fought shiki as well.

since we're scaling based on off panel fights, let's talk about god valley as well ~ how primebeard, rocks (probably stronger than prime roger), kaido and big mom got wrecked by prime garp and prime roger. or will you not use that since it doesnt fit your narrative about yonkos and admirals? :)

Why are you thinking this is an admiral vs yonko debate? Even assuming akainu is Yonko level, to comfortably capture Mihawk would mean a fight that lasts for days and potentially ends with Sakazuki dead. Or Sakazuki incredibly injured. You would need two admirals to comfortably capture a yonko even assuming they are same tier. I mean if Mihawk were Yonko level

Also how do you know that was PrimeBeard? Did he have his fruit on rocks crew? Wasn't Kaido a teenager lol? And Big Mom is a full decade younger than those guys she wasn't in her prime.
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Hell kizaru can't even capture Rayleigh alone. How the fuck is a lone admiral capturing a yonko tier.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Why are you thinking this is an admiral vs yonko debate? Even assuming akainu is Yonko level, to comfortably capture Mihawk would mean a fight that lasts for days and potentially ends with Sakazuki dead. Or Sakazuki incredibly injured. You would need two admirals to comfortably capture a yonko even assuming they are same tier. I mean if Mihawk were Yonko level

firstly i dont even get what your entire argument is. you brought shiki into the debate for some reason. i responded to it. how it that related to mihawk?

Also how do you know that was PrimeBeard? This he have his fruit on rocks crew?

why do you think he did not have his fruit on the rocks ship? because it doesnt suit your agenda? XP

whitebeard was 72 when he died. so he mustve been 36 at the god valley incident. one would assume he'd have his fruit and he would be strong enough to warrant a place on rocks' crew.

 

[Iam25]

firstly i dont even get what your entire argument is. you brought shiki into the debate for some reason. i responded to it. how it that related to mihawk?


why do you think he did not have his fruit on the rocks ship? because it doesnt suit your agenda? XP

whitebeard was 72 when he died. so he mustve been 36 at the god valley incident. one would assume he'd have his fruit and he would be strong enough to warrant a place on rocks' crew.

1. You brought up Jinbei being captured as to what happens if Mihawk refused to fight. My point being a Yonko tier can tell the marines to fuck off. Shiki is largely proof of this. Jinbei is loltier compared to Shiki

2. Wasn't he 32? Because you have no proof. He was definitely strong while on Rocks crew but why assume he was in his prime? If he was in his prime he would be the captain lol. Not some 2nd in command at best.

 

[ConquistadoR]

1. You brought up Jinbei being captured as to what happens if Mihawk refused to fight. My point being a Yonko tier can tell the marines to fuck off. Shiki is largely proof of this.

was shiki a shichibukai? why would someone willingly get the marines on their backs when they can freely roam the seas and pass their time after participating in a single war. and even then, doflamingo notes that mihawk has a very poor history of obliging warlord summons.

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2. Wasn't he 32? Because you have no proof. He was definitely strong while on Rocks crew but why assume he was in his prime? If he was in his prime he would be the captain lol. Not some 2nd in command at best.

no he wasnt 32. he was 72 when he died. shouldve been 74 during the current events. sengoku remarked that the god valley incident was 38 years back. so he shouldve been 36.

again, the entire reason why i brought up god valley was because you had a penchant for using off paneled fights to scale ~ with shiki at marineford.

 

[Iam25]

1. No but he intentionally invaded marineford all alone, fought 2 admirals killed countless marines and halfway destroyed marineford. Why not stay on some random island and wait for Whitebeard to wipe them out? Hell if you are yonko tier why not help them? Yonko tiers dont get captured by admirals.

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2. And its a different context. Kaido and Big Mom are literally said by Sengoku to be more powerful now than back then. Its a non-point unless you know Whitebeard was in his prime. Kaido is said to be drom same generation as Shanks lol. He was a brat back then
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was shiki a shichibukai? why would someone willingly get the marines on their backs when they can freely roam the seas and pass their time after participating in a single war. and even then, doflamingo notes that mihawk has a very poor history of obliging warlord summons.

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no he wasnt 32. he was 72 when he died. shouldve been 74 during the current events. sengoku remarked that the god valley incident was 38 years back. so he shouldve been 36.

again, the entire reason why i brought up god valley was because you had a penchant for using off paneled fights to scale ~ with shiki at marineford.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Why not stay on some random island and wait for Whitebeard to wipe them out? Hell if you are yonko tier why not help them? Yonko tiers dont get captured by admirals.

love how you say this while using a panel of a top tier who stayed at a random island without helping whitebeard out.

and even whitebeard didnt believe that he was going to wipe the marines out lool. he was more than prepared to stay back and hold the marines back while sacrificing himself so that his crew could escape to the new world.

 

[KageFumi]

Not as nonsense worthless as this thread tho...

 

[Iam25]

love how you say this while using a panel of a top tier who stayed at a random island without helping whitebeard out.

and even whitebeard didnt believe that he was going to wipe the marines out lool. he was more than prepared to stay back and hold the marines back while sacrificing himself so that his crew could escape to the new world.

1. Why would Rayleigh help? He's an old man who doesn't care anymore. The point being a top tier doesn't have to care about warlord status. Its inherent.

2. Yes he did. He was planning on sinking marineford and wiping out the marines in entirety
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Hell. Mihawk as good as pointed out he wasn't going to snow resraint to luffy. Why did he change his mind during vista fignt?

 

[ConquistadoR]

1. Why would Rayleigh help? He's an old man who doesn't care anymore. The point being a top tier doesn't have to care about warlord status. Its inherent.

the point of being a top tier and not caring about the warlord status is valid when you have a whole crew around you. not when you are famous and active as mihawk. besides i already showed proof for how careless he was with the warlord summons with both sengoku and doflamingo remarking about that.

2. Yes he did. He was planning on sinking marineford and wiping out the marines in entirety

headcanons.

if he can do that he has no reason to stay around and stop the marines while asking his crew to escape with ace once has was rescued.

he even started the war with remarking that his life would be complete if he could save ace. he was fully prepared to die at marineford even before the war started.

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even after ace was saved, multiple pirates remarked that the plan was to save ace and escape, not to sink marineford. and even then, when according to your headcanon he couldve decimated the marines all by himself, he chose to sacrifice himself and the fight the marines off for everyone else to run away. pls re read marineford lmfao.

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but ok whitebeard was planning on sinking marineford and saving ace kekw, yonko > 3 admirals kekw. keep living in your delusions.